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Thread: The top 15 Wideouts in 2014

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCCH View Post
    This.

    I don't follow CF at all, but when our pick comes off the board, I don't want to hear "he's the best of what's left".

    If we can significantly upgrade ANY position, I'd rather do that and hope this "depth" at WR is more than just message board fodder . . .
    The problem with most fans is they fall in love with certain players and wanna keep them around like the family Pet. I used to have the same heated conversations about Wayne Chrebet. Loved the Player, but always knew he could be improved upon. The fact that we still haven't is an indicment on the Jets front office. How long will you continue to pay huge cap dollars for a pass blocking only LT when you are a predominately running team . When ever the Jets want a power running play, they run right and everyone in the universe knows it. That's why we have such trouble with short yardage over the years.

    Brick can be improved upon, but if you think he's the greatest LT in the league, you never look for an upgrade. Austin Howard can be improved upon, but at his age and salary, he worth keeping around. Right now, Greg Robinson is rated ahead of Lewan at OT on many boards. Problem is, Robinson is a run blocking specialist while Lewan excels at both.

    It's the arguement you will read between now and the draft about Bridge water and Bortles. Bortles has a higher ceiling, but Bridgewater is ready to start and is pretty darn good himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood Nosebleed View Post
    If you want to make a comparison Lee is much more like Maclin. Neither are studs but would be great second options if you have a good QB.
    That's the thing. It's a nice comparison but these are 2 different people. They won't be the exact same player when it's all said & done. I think Marqise Lee has more potential & will end up being the better player.
    Kid's got star potential. Wouldn't be surprised to see him as a very high candidate for Offensive Rookie of the year, this time next year.
    Keep underrating him if you want because of his down year & him being from USC or being a "body catcher". Has great football instinct & skill. Really good work ethic & character too.

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    Definitely a deep class, but I only see 4 or 5 ending up very special or least the most potential of being special & game changing.

    Sammy Watkins
    Marqise Lee
    Odell Beckham Jr.
    Davante Adams
    (& MAYBE) Mike Evans

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    Quote Originally Posted by DowNY View Post
    That's the thing. It's a nice comparison but these are 2 different people. They won't be the exact same player when it's all said & done. I think Marqise Lee has more potential & will end up being the better player.
    Kid's got star potential. Wouldn't be surprised to see him as a very high candidate for Offensive Rookie of the year, this time next year.
    Keep underrating him if you want because of his down year & him being from USC or being a "body catcher". Has great football instinct & skill. Really good work ethic & character too.
    Obviously they're not going to be exactly the same. I was just saying that Maclin plays a lot like him. Similar size, good route runner, not a burner but can get deep, and both were considered possible heisman finalists. Also you do realize Maclin is a 1000 yard receiver when healthy. I just don't consider him a star or stud wideout. So I don't think that's underrating Lee at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DowNY View Post
    Definitely a deep class, but I only see 4 or 5 ending up very special or least the most potential of being special & game changing.

    Sammy Watkins
    Marqise Lee
    Odell Beckham Jr.
    Davante Adams
    (& MAYBE) Mike Evans
    Add Jordan Mathews name to that list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DowNY View Post
    Definitely a deep class, but I only see 4 or 5 ending up very special or least the most potential of being special & game changing.

    Sammy Watkins
    Marqise Lee
    Odell Beckham Jr.
    Davante Adams
    (& MAYBE) Mike Evans
    This is how really good players drop. 2011 was DEEP with DL, that's how the Jets ended up with a guy like Wilkerson at 29. 2014 is the year you'll get a good WR at your spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollywoodjet View Post

    I like Moncrief, but i am scared of Richardson's size.
    Richardson reminds me of Desean Jackson yes he has a Slight Frame but the Kid is Electric and Just Makes Plays

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    Great thread and an excellent debate (for the most part).

    I do think there is some truth to the "after watkins there isn't a ton of difference between 2 and 10" on that list.

    IMO - Marquise Lee is not a slot WR, he is way to fast and I think the desean comparisons are close. Yes he will measure short at 5'10-11 but you should be able to do a lot with him in a WCO.

    Evans scares me for some reason

    Benjamin is the biggest risk - reward. I could see him being a big time trade up target early in the second round if he is still there. He's hill's height with 20+ lbs.

    Davonte Adams will have a hard time being selected in the top 50

    All in all - the guy I want (at least today) is Jordan Matthews. Maybe he was coached to do/say the right things, but his senior bowl request for tape on the DBs he's facing says a lot to me. He has 100 catches and I don't even know how his QB is or if there is another draftable player in that entire offense, especially at QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DowNY View Post
    That's the thing. It's a nice comparison but these are 2 different people. They won't be the exact same player when it's all said & done. I think Marqise Lee has more potential & will end up being the better player.
    Kid's got star potential. Wouldn't be surprised to see him as a very high candidate for Offensive Rookie of the year, this time next year.
    Keep underrating him if you want because of his down year & him being from USC or being a "body catcher". Has great football instinct & skill. Really good work ethic & character too.
    Agreed, and I dont think he is a body catcher at all, the guy has great hands and if he's under 6 feet tall, he plays bigger than his frame. More importantly, kid is super explosive, I think Harvin is more the comparison in terms of playing style.

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    [QUOTE=hollywoodjet;5125892]
    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post

    Richardson reminds me of Desean Jackson yes he has a Slight Frame but the Kid is Electric and Just Makes Plays
    The name thhat came to my mind was Marvin harrison when i watched Richardson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    Great thread and an excellent debate (for the most part).

    I do think there is some truth to the "after watkins there isn't a ton of difference between 2 and 10" on that list.

    IMO - Marquise Lee is not a slot WR, he is way to fast and I think the desean comparisons are close. Yes he will measure short at 5'10-11 but you should be able to do a lot with him in a WCO.

    Evans scares me for some reason

    Benjamin is the biggest risk - reward. I could see him being a big time trade up target early in the second round if he is still there. He's hill's height with 20+ lbs.

    Davonte Adams will have a hard time being selected in the top 50

    All in all - the guy I want (at least today) is Jordan Matthews. Maybe he was coached to do/say the right things, but his senior bowl request for tape on the DBs he's facing says a lot to me. He has 100 catches and I don't even know how his QB is or if there is another draftable player in that entire offense, especially at QB.
    would u take him at 18 if he runs under 4.5 .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    would u take him at 18 if he runs under 4.5 .
    Sub 4.5 yes - only because I think the best strategy is that if "your guy" is there and its not a difference of 20+ picks, you take him and move on.

    At 6'3 205 and with a sub 4.5 those are elite measurables. If his work ethic/attitude match with those measurables then in my opinion he is an elite prospect and deserves top 20 consideration, especially since it would also fill a need.

    You look at what roady white has done at 6'1 210, with strong work ethic, good routes, etc. Id sign up for that in 1 second.

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    I like Jordan Mathews also. The Jets allowed Marcus Colston to escape to New Orleans when he played right under their noses. The Kid even had a solid Combine. If this Kid runs under 4.5 or even under 4.55, i might be tempted to take a hard look at 18. I like production, and 100 receptions speak for themselves. At Vandy, those #s scream .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    I like Jordan Mathews also. The Jets allowed Marcus Colston to escape to New Orleans when he played right under their noses. The Kid even had a solid Combine. If this Kid runs under 4.5 or even under 4.55, i might be tempted to take a hard look at 18. I like production, and 100 receptions speak for themselves. At Vandy, those #s scream .
    Colston was a receiver coming out of Hofstra (1-AA) that fell to the 7th. Jordan Mathews is the all time leading receiver in SEC history, not sure how you can compare the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    I like Jordan Mathews also. The Jets allowed Marcus Colston to escape to New Orleans when he played right under their noses. The Kid even had a solid Combine. If this Kid runs under 4.5 or even under 4.55, i might be tempted to take a hard look at 18. I like production, and 100 receptions speak for themselves. At Vandy, those #s scream .
    He also had 94 for 1300 in 2012.

    I just want us to make sure he is a guy that attacks the ball - I can't stand seeing hill "chest catch" everything thrown his way

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobR View Post
    Colston was a receiver coming out of Hofstra (1-AA) that fell to the 7th. Jordan Mathews is the all time leading receiver in SEC history, not sure how you can compare the two.
    You wouldn't .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    You wouldn't .
    How could you possibly compare a receiver doing his damage at the 1AA level to the all-time leading receiver in SEC history. There is a reason Colston went in the 7th, it was because he played 1AA. Most mediocre receivers in the SEC would dominate the ranks of 1AA and put up similar stats, and highlights. The Saints got lucky, it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobR View Post
    How could you possibly compare a receiver doing his damage at the 1AA level to the all-time leading receiver in SEC history. There is a reason Colston went in the 7th, it was because he played 1AA. Most mediocre receivers in the SEC would dominate the ranks of 1AA and put up similar stats, and highlights. The Saints got lucky, it happens.
    No sir, they didn't. When a QB completes a pass against a doubled covered WR he got lucky. Whe a prospect dominates at his level, shines in bowl games with the big boys and puts up quality #s at the combines, the results speak for themselves.

    Wayne Chrebet dominated at Hostra, went undrafted and excelled in the NFL. Colston bested Chrebet's #s at Hostra and the Saints got Lucky. Did the Pats and the Chargers get lucky with Woodhead or were the Jets morons ? When someone proves they can play, why do folks not notice until it's too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    No sir, they didn't. When a QB completes a pass against a doubled covered WR he got lucky. Whe a prospect dominates at his level, shines in bowl games with the big boys and puts up quality #s at the combines, the results speak for themselves.

    Wayne Chrebet dominated at Hostra, went undrafted and excelled in the NFL. Colston bested Chrebet's #s at Hostra and the Saints got Lucky. Did the Pats and the Chargers get lucky with Woodhead or were the Jets morons ? When someone proves they can play, why do folks not notice until it's too late.
    All you are doing is cherry-picking the success stories. For every one of those players you mentioned there were HUNDREDS that failed. You are living in a revisionist world, and that world doesn't exist. The Saints got lucky, they nabbed him in the seventh.

    There was a reason Colston went in the SEVENTH round, I'm sorry you don't see it. Maybe you should provide some drafttek links. LOL

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    As long as we stay away from Kelvin Benjamin I am content. Guy is strictly a red zone target. Shaky hands, poor route running, stiff hips. Mike Williams / Reggie Williams remix

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