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    Jets Oline ranked 25th in 2013, 3rd in 2012 per PFF

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...line-rankings/

    "Stud: For a line with as much talent as they have, it’s really surprising that D’Brickashaw Ferguson (+0.1) would walk away with the highest grade. A bad year by his standards where he gave up eight sacks and was poor with his run blocking.

    Dud: Whoever they put at left guard. Vlad Ducasse (-9.5) had a breakout game against the Patriots and then proceeded to stink the joint up, forcing rookie Brian Winters (-28.5) into action. It did not go well."

    I was shocked Brick gave up 8 sacks. I really don't follow Oline play closely and rely on the boards comments to form an opinion to be honest. I was under the impression that Vlad was slightly better than Winters in pass blocking and Winters was better in run blocking. If these rankings are accurate this is kind of disheartening.

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    Stats do not tell the whole story on our OLine. Just looking at what was posted you would think Smith was under
    siege most of the year. But if you watched that wasn't the case, here's an example of what went on for most of
    the year:

    - Smith dropped back to pass and the line gave him 3-4 seconds to scan the field. He hangs onto the ball too long
    and gets sacked, the lineman who blocked the defender gets "credited" with giving up a sack

    The lineman then gets marked as having a bad game/year but its really Smith who caused a lot of those sacks.
    To me the line was decent to good, the person who had struggles was Winters in pass protection. But even he
    was improving over the final 4 games of the season

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    PFF is a piece of **** website run by a bunch of fantasy football idiots.

    Anybody that watched this O-Line would agree that they played well. The run blocking was very good in the 2nd half of the season, it was decent all around. The pass blocking was almost great in the 2nd half, unfortunately Geno has zero awareness in the pocket and either runs around like a maniac until he gets sacked or he just stands there and waits about 20 seconds until he gets sacked. At times the guy had like 10 seconds in the pocket. Feel free to blame the receivers, the scheme or whatever, but the O-Line did a good job. And while I'm not a big Winters fan he wasn't that bad. Again, these idiots can't evaluate ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBallhawk View Post
    PFF is a piece of **** website run by a bunch of fantasy football idiots.

    Anybody that watched this O-Line would agree that they played well. The run blocking was very good in the 2nd half of the season, it was decent all around. The pass blocking was almost great in the 2nd half, unfortunately Geno has zero awareness in the pocket and either runs around like a maniac until he gets sacked or he just stands there and waits about 20 seconds until he gets sacked. At times the guy had like 10 seconds in the pocket. Feel free to blame the receivers, the scheme or whatever, but the O-Line did a good job. And while I'm not a big Winters fan he wasn't that bad. Again, these idiots can't evaluate ****.
    Wow

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    Lots of factors involved. The left side was messy and Winters is a rookie. No doubt in my mind that Brick had to shadow Winters a little and maybe help out, that may have contributed to Brick's regression although it doesn't account for all of it. Protecting for a somewhat unpredictable rookie QB isn't easy either. Passing plays are choreographed....everyone has a "planned" place to be, steps to take, actions to take in a well-orchestrated dance of about 7 seconds. Geno held the ball too long sometimes, or he moved around a little unexpectedly or flashed the run. This can make it hard to protect for the guy. I'm not making excuses but I think a rookie OG and a rookie QB had some influence on the overall statistical performance of the O-Line. I expect major improvement for two reasons, and they both involve experience:

    1. Both Geno and Winters will have a year under their belt and Geno should hopefully become more automatic with his progressions and get the ball out on time. Running backwards, hiding the ball behind his back for a Safety against Tennessee....those kinds of things should hopefully disappear.
    2. We are heading into Year 2 under the new Mornhinweg system. Practice and repetition in the system should improve everyone's play on offense. Assuming we only have MAJOR turnover at the skill positions like WR, TE, etc. and the core of Geno Smith and maybe 4 of the 5 linemen remains intact I'd expect protection improvement and better rushing as well.
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    Regardless of whether you buy into these rankings, we can probably all agree we should have kept Slauson. He's been great for the Bears while Winters was disapointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBallhawk View Post
    PFF is a piece of **** website run by a bunch of fantasy football idiots.

    Anybody that watched this O-Line would agree that they played well. The run blocking was very good in the 2nd half of the season, it was decent all around. The pass blocking was almost great in the 2nd half, unfortunately Geno has zero awareness in the pocket and either runs around like a maniac until he gets sacked or he just stands there and waits about 20 seconds until he gets sacked. At times the guy had like 10 seconds in the pocket. Feel free to blame the receivers, the scheme or whatever, but the O-Line did a good job. And while I'm not a big Winters fan he wasn't that bad. Again, these idiots can't evaluate ****.
    Actually, many teams subscribe to their services which aren't available to the publc. Come up with a different excuse homer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DUNCCFP View Post
    Actually, many teams subscribe to their services which aren't available to the publc. Come up with a different excuse homer.
    Unless you meant Simpson DaBallhawk is no homer..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRL View Post
    Stats do not tell the whole story on our OLine. Just looking at what was posted you would think Smith was under
    siege most of the year. But if you watched that wasn't the case, here's an example of what went on for most of
    the year:

    - Smith dropped back to pass and the line gave him 3-4 seconds to scan the field. He hangs onto the ball too long
    and gets sacked, the lineman who blocked the defender gets "credited" with giving up a sack

    The lineman then gets marked as having a bad game/year but its really Smith who caused a lot of those sacks.
    To me the line was decent to good, the person who had struggles was Winters in pass protection. But even he
    was improving over the final 4 games of the season
    I dunno - there were a lot of times that our line got flat out beat and Geno was running for his life. There were also a lot of times where he held the ball too damn long. Either way, our line did not deserve to 3rd in 2012 and doesn't deserve to be 25th in 2013.

    I would say that they fell roughly in the 13 - 16 range in both years, just from an eyeball perspective. Meaning, they were average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Regardless of whether you buy into these rankings, we can probably all agree we should have kept Slauson. He's been great for the Bears while Winters was disapointing.
    Winter’s is just 22 and more talented than Slauson and should develop similarly only a higher ceiling.

    Be patient...

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    Ummmmm the line this year was 20X what it was last year and it isn't even close!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DUNCCFP View Post
    Actually, many teams subscribe to their services which aren't available to the publc. Come up with a different excuse homer.
    Please give me the list of the "many teams" that "subscribe" to their "services". You're dildo.

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    Anyone who watched both seasons can honestly say that the 2013 line was far more consistent in both pass blocking and run blocking... This years line was an average pass blocking unit, compared to below average last year and an above average run blocking unit, compared to an average one last year. We need more youth and depth though, WR/TE/OG/OT are priorities in this draft/FA period.

    Let's hope Idzik can hit on all four positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monsterxman View Post
    Winter’s is just 22 and more talented than Slauson and should develop similarly only a higher ceiling.

    Be patient...
    Slauson year 2 was much better than Slauson year 1. Hopefully we see the same from Winters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage69 View Post
    Unless you meant Simpson DaBallhawk is no homer..
    No he just hates everything

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    Holding onto the ball too long is one of the most over-analyzed/scrutinized aspects of QB play. There is a fine line between holding onto the ball too long and "buying time" and "allowing the WRs to get open". Very subjective.

    As for the OL, the ranking seems about right IMO. I think 15th through 25th ranked OLs are pretty much the same so being #25 isn't as bad as it sounds. The interior of the OL was the biggest issue. Colon's penalties, Winters and Ducasse awful pass blocking, Mangold being up and down. I think we finished the year on a high note and hopefully Winters can develop. I wouldn't cry if we took a Tackle early depending on what happens with Howard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBallhawk View Post
    Please give me the list of the "many teams" that "subscribe" to their "services". You're dildo.
    Sorry for calling you a homer. You're just a hater and not too smart


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    Thanks for pointing out how dumb you are by believing what the owner of that piece of **** website is telling you. Gullible moron. And thanks for pointing out what I said earlier, that they don't know **** about what they're doing. Not only do they have zero experience playing in the NFL, they don't know what the calls are or what even to look for. So how do you even believe what they write? But being as dumb as you are I'm not surprised. And besides, some of those stats are pretty much obvious and correct for the most part, like dropped passes, targeted receivers and whatnot. Maybe there's a team dumb enough to pay these idiots 20 bucks a year to get those stats, but that has to be one pathetic team if they can't figure out a way to keep track of those stats by themselves. They have access to STATS Inc. and those are the elites when it comes to stats. So believe what you want, you're too stupid to figure it out on your own.

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    Jesus, a lot of hate for PFF. I wouldn't say they're perfect, but they're usually pretty accurate. They rank wilk rich and snacks pretty high, are they wrong there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalomaniac View Post
    Jesus, a lot of hate for PFF. I wouldn't say they're perfect, but they're usually pretty accurate. They rank wilk rich and snacks pretty high, are they wrong there?
    PFF stats, like any stats can be useful. I think anyone who watched every game would agree this year's oline was much better than last years or the year before. They had some bad games where they got dominated, like Tenn and Cin, but overall they were pretty good. Rookie QB, no offensive talent, and your not going to look great in pass protection.

    I'm glad we got rid of slausen though. Never liked him, since he started our oline was garbage. I know winters had problems but I suspect that for a rookie. Vlad's shot has come and gone, so hopefully Winters improved.

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