Personally, I think Geno overcame a lot, the players still stood behind him, and he really showed some leadership skills too.
His calm demeanor is just what you need in tight games.
Geno is gonna come guns a blazing with the new cast that Idzik puts around him.
That said, he's never going to slip far enough for the Jets to grab him. He's just too good.
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Luck was the best QB prospect (frankly the best any position prospect) in the last 10+ years since peyton manning. And you are comparing him to teddy bridgewater?
Look at that indy team. After wayne went down is there even a single good offensive player, oline included, besides luck and Hilton? And look what they accomplished.
Bridgewater is a good prospect but he is VERY far from andrew luck status.
There's something to be said about sticking with what you saw
Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Cardinals
NFL.com writer Bucky Brooks continues to rank Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater as the No. 1 QB in the draft.
Although most of Brooks' colleagues ranked Bridgewater No. 1 during the season, some have now jumped ship to Johnny Manziel or Blake Bortles. ESPN's Mel Kiper and Rotoworld's Josh Norris are two of the remaining inhabitants of Bridgewater Island with Brooks. "The most polished pocket passer in the college game has seemingly been underappreciated by the masses," wrote Brooks. "However, keen evaluators will appreciate Bridgewater's high football IQ, management skills and leadership ability as a potential franchise quarterback. Questions about his slender frame have led to concerns about his durability, but Aaron Rodgers entered the league with similar physical dimensions/athletic traits and things turned out well for the former league MVP." The former Cardinals' star's eye level and pocket movement are both elite.
Yes, I believe he's only a bit behind Luck as a prospect, as I said. Bringing up what Luck did with Indy has absolutely nothing to do with Bridgewater.
If you've watched Bridgewater play, you'll realize how legit he is.
Bridgewater is amazing, a flat out superstar. Anybody who says otherwise simply doesn't know a damn thing about football. I can't continue this conversation because its so dumb. Manziel and bortles both have talent but not close to bridgewater.
His vision is excellent. Ability to read defenses? Excellent. keeps eyes down field under pressure throws with perfect timing. Is a natural pocket passer. I'm so impressed with him as a player.
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Derek Carr will have better pro career , than Geno Smith.
Even Jimmy Garoppolo might not have Geno Smith physical abilities , but he has it where it counts -upstairs.
A lot of Qb needy teams past on a lot of Qb's in last year draft, and that doesn't look like the case this year.( draft will confirm this - that Nfl Gm's don't share your opinion)
No offense but it tough to take your opinion serious when you thought Teddy Bridgewater was white.
Off the top of my head. Teddy Bridgewater, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Derek Carr , Mettenberg, and Jimmy Garoppolo would come off the board before Geno Smith.
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But, if we're talking about actual pre 2013 draft Geno, where a combination of thinly veiled racism and questionable agency decisions made him an easy target for the "thug, diva" label (which is basically old white man talk for n word, illiterate), then you're right he may have been drafted behind your 2014 darlings. Racism is a powerful thing, and Bridgewater has yet to attract it in full force.
Let's see where the post combine media cycle ends up shaping your group before comparing to where Geno was drafted.
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I didn't like any of the QBs last year, but was happy to get Geno where we did. If you can get the best QB in the 2nd round, take him. What's the worst that could happen?
As for Bridgewater, I love him. I think he's awesome and can't find an area where he's worse than "good." I don't have concerns about his frame because he's still a kid. The arm strength is very good and very underrated (I don't think Geno has him beat in this area like some on here do). His accuracy is phenomenal, especially in the intermediate range, and his throwing mechanics are superb, all the way from the feet up through his motion. He's played from under center and Louisville uses pro style passing concepts, which has become the major concern with most of the talented college QBs. His in-pocket and out of pocket movement are both outstanding and he has a great feel for the rush to go along with it. There are a lot of guys that are accurate when everything goes according to plan, but struggle when moved off of their spot and forced to reset. Bridgewater's accuracy doesn't suffer at all because he almost always gets his feet back under him before delivering the ball.
I've seen a lot of Bortles now, and I'm utterly confused as to why anyone would put him ahead of Bridgewater. Yes, he's huge and he had a very good year for UCF. But that's really all their is right now. He struggles with his accuracy from time to time. He doesn't have a huge arm (right now, he physical stature suggests that it could get quite a bit stronger with some time). He looks like a good athlete. I'd love to get another year's worth of college games to look at, but that isn't going to happen. Taking Bortles in the top 10 is such a shot in the dark right now. The buzz around him reeks of QB coaches thinking "I could turn that guy into a star." One thing I got from watching all those UCF games: I like Storm Johnson, their running back. I'd love to pick him up somewhere in the middle of the draft.
I've really got nothing on Manziel other than I love watching him play. Oh yeah, if you've got durability concerns about Bridgewater then Manziel shouldn't even be on your board. He's actually a good passer, but almost nothing that he did at Texas A&M translates to the NFL. So then the question, for me, becomes "does he have the discipline to learn how to execute an NFL offense, or will he always revert to backyard football?" Because he does have the physical capability.
Bottom line: Bridgewater is head and shoulders above the other two, and is the best QB prospect not named Luck in the past 10 years. Luck, Bridgewater, Griffin, Stafford, Bradford, Ryan; in that order. Griffin and Bradford would each be a spot higher, but I always knock guys that play in shotgun heavy (almost to the point of exclusivity) offenses.
That will bring me to another point. How does Sam Bradford go #1 overall, but people have "durability concerns" about Bridgewater, who's never missed a game in college? I hate bringing race into the discussion, but just imagine if Bridgewater were white and Manziel were black....I mean, come on. Nolan Nawrocki better obliterate Manziel after what he did to Geno last year.
If bridgewater is so amazing, then why is it possible that he will be the 3rd QB off the board. Is manziel then as good as luck if he is possibly gonna go before him?
Look, I have NOTHING against bridgewater and I think he is an excellent prospect. This whole "discussion" was due to me questioning his true weight which is a legit issue for him. I do not however, think he is anywhere close to andrew luck as a prospect.
Only thing I want to comment on is this. that like saying I have the best car from the junkyard. The point is what would you rather have, the best Qb in a bad Qb class , or the second or third Qb in a much better Qb class. That goes for any position. Just say it isn't a strong class for offensive tackles, but you have a need ,and take the best one on the board. Did you really get a difference maker at that position.
This excerpt says it best the point I was making about why Geno Smith not in the other Qb's, class as a QB. ( arm strength and speed are so far down the lsit) , Angelo says, "Got a lot of playing time, which may have helped him or hurt him. Too many interceptions and negative plays. His numbers were terrible. His progress will depend on his learning from this year’s struggles. Otherwise, defensive coordinators will have a field day with him. Quarterbacks make a living from the neck on up, not the neck on down."
QB is the hardest position to evaluate. Case in Point Jamarcus Russell had the highest draft grade On Ozzie Newsome board( highest prospect he had ever graded in his career- a fact) If Ozzie Newsome( one of the best drafters of all time) could make a mistake , than I don't know how much any Gm really knows about drafting the Qb position.
Now if you made that comment that Bridgewater isn't as good as Luck, no one would have had a problem with what you said. You tried to say that Geno Smith was as good a prospect ,as Teddy Bridgewater. Which is laughable.
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Manziel I understand the intrigue a bit more, but his rise up the draftboards is a bit surprising. OK so he looked good against Duke. He struggled a lot against Missouri and LSU prior to that. I saw things in those games that I think could find their way to the next level. But, the kid is a fantastic athlete, had tons of success in college, and I can understand if a very bold GM would consider him over Bridgewater. I wouldn't do it myself, but at least I could buy some sort of argument for it.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out. If Bridgewater somehow falls to the Raiders or Vikings, those teams should hand in their draft cards before the clock even starts ticking. Hell, if he falls out of the top 3, the Vikings should probably try to trade up for him. I think he's close to can't miss