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    Andy Benoit is a bigger jacka** than Peter King

    Check out this pile of garbage from Andy Benoit of CNNSI.
    http://mmqb.si.com/2014/03/27/new-yo..._livefyre_comm

    this guys is either a moron, or it looking to stoke the flames of angry jets fans. thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by townsell83 View Post
    Check out this pile of garbage from Andy Benoit of CNNSI.
    http://mmqb.si.com/2014/03/27/new-yo..._livefyre_comm

    this guys is either a moron, or it looking to stoke the flames of angry jets fans. thoughts?
    If he's as big a jackass as you say he is, why should I give him the satisfaction of clicking that link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by townsell83 View Post
    Check out this pile of garbage from Andy Benoit of CNNSI.
    http://mmqb.si.com/2014/03/27/new-yo..._livefyre_comm

    this guys is either a moron, or it looking to stoke the flames of angry jets fans. thoughts?

    You only need a heartbeat and pulse to have an opinion.... whether it makes sense or not ... time will tell....

    I remember when under the Parcells era... the Jet's had Glenn Foley and Vinnie Testaverde..... we all new how that one turned out.... It pays to have talent on your roster regardless of position.. you play game to win...

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlito1171 View Post
    If he's as big a jackass as you say he is, why should I give him the satisfaction of clicking that link?
    "Honey, this food tastes horrible, I think I'm going to puke - here, you try it."

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    Why not post the full text of the article so as not to give that guy extra link clicks?


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    What's going on in here? What's this all about?

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    Is his last name pronounced the same as those "fun balls" that french women had?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astoria View Post
    Why not post the full text of the article so as not to give that guy extra link clicks?


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    Great idea Astoria! Here it is:

    Vick? Geno? What Are the Jets Doing?
    Signing Michael Vick in free agency was a head-scratching move for a team that spent a high draft pick on Geno Smith 10 months earlier. All signs point to a faux QB competition and a decision-making group simply trying not to get fired

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    Andy Benoit


    Some have lamented that, as one ProFootballTalk.com headline put it, “[Michael] Vick’s arrival in New York takes impatience with a young quarterback to a new level.” Rex Ryan might disagree. He recently told reporters, “Geno Smith, regardless of who’s here at quarterback or who the competition is, is going to be hard to beat out…. [Last year] he grew by leaps and bounds.”

    Then why sign Vick for so much money? Teams generally don’t give $4 million to backups.

    Most likely, the Jets will talk about a quarterback competition over the next few months, feign one in training camp and then name Vick the starter sometime around the third preseason game. Smith, the 39th overall pick and 16-game starter in 2013, will be on the bench. (And, given Vick’s track record with injuries, he’s sure to come off it.)

    The Jets would not even have looked into signing Vick if they didn’t harbor genuine discomfort about Smith. The question is, What’s driving that discomfort?

    Keep in mind, nobody knows Smith’s abilities better than Rex Ryan, offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg and, by extension, general manager John Idzik. Last year they saw the same wild inconsistency from him that everyone else saw. At times, Smith would display admirable pocket poise, arm strength, athleticism and an encouraging ability to process the basic principles of play designs in order to execute downfield. But like a lot of rookies, he could not immediately take the next step, which is to process the play design in conjunction with reading the defense. So he’d fall into valleys of struggles, evidenced most plainly by his barrages of turnovers (25 on the season).

    What Ryan, Mornhinweg and Idzik know that outsiders don’t is why Smith wasn’t taking the next step. Ryan has lauded the 23-year-old’s progress as a rookie, but in reality, Ryan and Mornhinweg took things off Smith’s plate as last season wore on. The Jets became more of a run-based offense, relying less on their deep-dropping, progression-read passes.

    Under Rex Ryan's tutelage, Geno Smith started all 16 games in an 8-8 rookie campaign. (Ron Antonelli/Getty Images)
    Under Rex Ryan’s tutelage, Geno Smith started all 16 games in an 8-8 rookie campaign. (Ron Antonelli/Getty Images)
    Perhaps some of this was due to the decrepitude of a so-so receiving corps that, really, was unsettled all season. (Jeremy Kerley missed four games, Santonio Holmes missed five and tight end Kellen Winslow was suspended for four.) But undoubtedly, some of it was due to the coaches trying to work around Smith’s shortcomings. At one point, remember, there was even consideration regarding playing Matt Simms.

    And then there’s the possibility that the Vick signing is a product of the coaches and front office strengthening their own illusion of job security. Woody Johnson has evolved into a meddling owner (his prerogative). That’s the biggest reason why handfuls of candidates turned down the Jets GM job before Idzik was finally hired. In January, Ryan (and by extension, his coaching staff) got a new contract, but according to the New York Daily News, it is only guaranteed through 2015. Ryan is still a coach on thin ice.

    When the front office has an owner constantly peering over its shoulders and the coaching staff has job security in name only—and both are working with a roster that’s weak at wide receiver, tight end, outside linebacker, cornerback and safety—the objective is to simply not get fired. That means doing whatever it takes to go 8-8. This is purely human nature and, arguably, still congruent with the most common objective in pro football: to win right now. Callow, mistake-prone quarterbacks are anathema to jittery leaders who can’t afford to cast their eyes on the future.

    The Jets feel that Vick gives them a better chance to win now. Athletically, he’s not as explosive as he was in his MVP-caliber 2010 season with the Eagles, but he’s still a huge threat. But Vick isn’t as big as Smith, and while a more accurate passer than Smith at this point, he remains scattershot. Still, having played for Mornhinweg in Philly, Vick has a sharper understanding of the West Coast-oriented system that New York wants to run. That makes Vick a less stressful option to a stressed leadership staff.

    In an indirect way, Vick was signed for his field-reading skills and game-management ability. Those, of course, have always been his weaknesses. Vick is a sandlot player whose weaknesses get masked by his still-extraordinary playmaking prowess. When unmasked, you see the inconsistent ball placement, impatience and propensity for injury when trying to make something happen.

    Michael Vick and Marty Mornhinweg previously worked together in Philly. (Bill Kostroun/AP)
    Michael Vick and Marty Mornhinweg previously worked together in Philly. (Bill Kostroun/AP)
    Typically, Vick’s style can’t simply be plugged into a system. It creates less structure, which is hard to build offense around. To most teams, this significantly compromises his value as a backup or bridge starter.

    Not surprisingly, the open market left Vick unsigned for a week and a half. In contrast, it took only 24 hours for Josh McCown, the other unsigned mid-30s quarterback who straddles the line between backup and starter, to get a two-year deal with Tampa Bay. Physically, McCown is less gifted than Vick, but he can create or maintain structure for an offense as a traditional dropback, multi-read passer with improvisational skills that are used but not relied on.

    Mornhinweg learned to embrace Vick’s lack of structure in Philadelphia, and presumably he’s decided he can live with it in New York. (It helps that his other option, Smith, presents even less structure.)

    Still, this change illuminates alarming problems in the Jets organization. Either the front office and coaches believe they missed badly on their 2013 early second-round pick, or they feel compelled to go with a safer but inconsistent veteran who offers no long-term dividends because owner Woody Johnson can’t see past January 2015. (Not that Vick makes the team a serious contender for the playoffs.)

    Vick will be unsigned in 2015. Most likely, the Jets will wind up conducting another quarterback competition—like the one they’re having this year and the one they had last year. If Ryan and his staff are still around, they’ll be dealing with an even hotter seat. And so their focus will affix even more on winning right away with a QB-less club that isn’t built to win right away.

    This, ladies and gentlemen, is how a franchise roots itself in mediocrity.

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    You mean to tell me that the team doesn't want to give the keys to the franchise to a 2nd round pick who threw 20+ picks last year? Thrilling analysis, detective Benoit.

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    Last edited by McGinley; 03-27-2014 at 02:47 PM.

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    So rampant speculation that's labeled as "factual" is now journalism? That's very disappointing. It doesn't even bother me as a Jet fan, it bothers me as someone with a moderate intelligence that this could even be published. It is what it is I guess.

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    The Jets are sexy as hell and sell link clicks for a struggling writer like Benoit. Pretty boring article though. If you just skim through fast it looks like a mad libs of every article that was written about the Jets last offseason.

    Meddling
    Weaknesses
    Troubling
    Inconsistency
    Discomfort

    In a parallel universe, we signed a non threat to Geno as a backup qb. Andy Benoit crafts an article using

    Meddling
    Weaknesses
    Troubling
    Inconsistency
    Discomfort



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    I cant believe someone has a different opinion than some one else!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    I cant believe someone has a different opinion than some one else!
    Go back to pastfans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    I cant believe someone has a different opinion than some one else!
    It's not the difference of opinion that makes him a fool, it's the rampant speculation portrayed as fact. it's also his blatant incorrect information:"who pays $4million to a backup QB?" Look at the 2014 QB cap hits - http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/...ack/limit-100/ - Matt Moore at $5.5, Josh McCown at $4.75, Kyle Orton at $4.38, Matt Hasselbeck at $3.75, Chase Daniel at $3.4, Ryan Fitzpatrick at $3.375, and so on. Vick's $4 million is neither the highest nor out of line with the market as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by townsell83 View Post
    It's not the difference of opinion that makes him a fool, it's the rampant speculation portrayed as fact. it's also his blatant incorrect information:"who pays $4million to a backup QB?" Look at the 2014 QB cap hits - http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/...ack/limit-100/ - Matt Moore at $5.5, Josh McCown at $4.75, Kyle Orton at $4.38, Matt Hasselbeck at $3.75, Chase Daniel at $3.4, Ryan Fitzpatrick at $3.375, and so on. Vick's $4 million is neither the highest nor out of line with the market as a whole.
    Always a good idea to support information with evidence. Well done.

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    I stopped reading after his first sentence ended with "a decision making group simply trying not to get fired". What nonsense. It is clear Idzik is the decision maker and his job is absolutely secure at this point. Probably for at least another 2 years. Secondly if he was trying not to get fired he would be jumping on free agents like Jerry Reese!

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    Ummmmmmm I agree with the essential points in this article and have stated so on previous posts!!

    Vick didn't come here to be a back-up....

    Geno is a second year player. Such players often regress and Rex is in a win now mode so Vick IMO makes more sense....

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    I don't see anything about that article that warrants him being a jackass.

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    The problem with the premise of the article is the belief that the Jets drafted Geno Smith to be their franchise QB. They didn't. He was there in the 2nd round and made the move to take a shot on the possibility that he could be.

    This is a stark contrast to the Jets trading up to pick Sanchez at the top of the draft. You make that move and you are committed. We are not, and never were, going "all in" with Geno Smith.

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    He speculates that Vick was brought in part because they need to win now, and don't have time to develop Geno to keep their jobs.

    Well Idzik is only in his second year and he makes personal decisions, regardless what happens this year I doubt Woody would fire Idzik. Idzik is building a team for the long term.

    Problem is Rex does technically need to win now as he is only the Jets coach through this season contact wise (he's not gonna be coaching 2015 as a lame duck and without an extension). That's my only issue with Idzik, after watching and working with Rex for a full year he didn't make a long term decision on who his head coach will be, there for of things start of rocky with Geno (if he wins the job) there will be more pressure to bring Vick in to the line up.

    Personally after 2013 I think Idzik should of either fired Rex or give him at least a 2 year extension so he would truly be part of the rebuilding of this team instead of just giving him next season to "prove it" again with a roster that so far isn't ready to "win now".

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