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    Post Can the Jets O-Line become elite?

    Camp Countdown: Can O-Line Become Elite?

    Posted Jun 26, 2014
    Eric Allen Sr. Reporter/Director, Internet Programming
    Email @eallenjets On the Inside


    In the weeks leading up to the Jets 2014 Training Camp, we will take a position-by-position look at some of the key storylines to follow this summer.
    The Jets tinkered with their offensive line in the offseason, but they still expect to field one of the top units in the National Football League.
    “I know we have an opportunity to become one of the better offensive lines in the league,” offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg said. “We have talented men up front and we have depth.”

    1. Giacomini Takes Over at RT: At 6’7”, Breno Giacomini casts a large shadow. A high-effort player who plays through the whistle, Giacomini replaces the departed Austin Howard, who signed a lucrative deal with the Oakland Raiders. Not an elite athlete, Giacomini is a player always ready for battle and
    he should provide a nasty edge up front.


    2. Colon Targets Cortland: Willie Colon is on the comeback trail. After having surgery to repair a torn biceps tendon he suffered in the season finale against the Dolphins, the 31-year-old Colon had a minor arthroscopic procedure on his knee this spring. Colon, who started all 16 games in his first season with the Jets, was limited to individual drills and the stationary bike at minicamp. He is anxious to return and establish some chemistry with Giacomini.



    3. Aboushi Looks for Expanded Role: You could make an argument that nobody helped themselves more this spring than Oday Aboushi. After being selected in the fifth round of the 2013 NFL Draft, the Virginia product was inactive for all 16 games. But the Jets moved the 6’5”, 308-pounder inside to guard and Aboushi took advantage of first-team reps with Colon on the mend. The fact that the Jets had Aboushi play at LG and Brian Winters work at RG was interesting. Operating at a position of strength on the interior, the Jets also really like the potential of William Campbell and 2014 fourth-rounder Dakota Dozier.



    4. Rocks at C & LT:
    The Jets have had quite the luxury at two of the most important positions in football with Nick Mangold and D’Brickashaw Ferguson mainstays up front. Since being selected in the first round of the 2006 NFL Draft, Mangold (No. 29 overall) has appeared in 133 out of a possible 135 games (including postseason) while Ferguson has not missed a game. In fact, Ferguson has missed one snap his entire career and his 128 consecutive starts are the most of any current NFL offensive linemen.




    5. Smith to Help with Sacks:
    The Jets ranked T27th in sacks allowed (47) and 29th in yards lost after sacks (338). Mornhinweg expects that sack number (and turnover total) to be cut in half “just with experience alone” and that points to an improved Geno Smith. Pass protection starts with the QB and the line, but everyone on the offense plays a critical role in the blocking game. Cutting that sack number in half would be magnificent considering only two teams — Denver (20) and Detroit (23) — surrendered less than 29 sacks last season.

    http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/arti...2-b420f4878798
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    In short---NO---competent but not elite.

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    can it be like what we had in 09 or 10? that's all we need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetsfanfromtheBURGH View Post
    can it be like what we had in 09 or 10? that's all we need.
    That would be elite. And no chance.

    '09/'10 Ferguson vs. current Ferguson > '09/'10 Ferguson, by far
    Faneca/Slauson vs. Winters/Aboushi > Faneca/Slauson
    '09/'10 Mangold vs. current Mangold > '09/'10 Mangold, by far
    Moore vs. Colon > Moore
    Woody vs. Giacomini >Woody, BY FAR

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetsfanfromtheBURGH View Post
    can it be like what we had in 09 or 10? that's all we need.
    I agree that having a REALLY good o-line is all we need.

    We do not have that. Not even close. The o-line will be our undoing. The OP is way optimistic.

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    Mornhinweg expects that sack number (and turnover total) to be cut in half “just with experience alone” and that points to an improved Geno Smith
    Riiiiiiiiiight, Martin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetsfanfromtheBURGH View Post
    can it be like what we had in 09 or 10? that's all we need.
    The Jets OL was arguably the best in football in 2009/2010

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    They could be a top tier OL< they have the talent. Our OL was a lot better than some think last season. Geno being more experienced will help, and better weapons on the outside.

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    We don't need elite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k.Rhodes25 View Post
    They could be a top tier OL< they have the talent. Our OL was a lot better than some think last season. Geno being more experienced will help, and better weapons on the outside.

    I agree. Our online wasn't that bad, ands it's never been great at pass protection (including 09/10).

    We just need geno to stop running backwards when he takes his sacks, which I'm sure he'll be better at this season.


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    Wait, the objective journalists over at newyorkjets.com actually think our o-line can be elite? No way. They're usually so pessimistic...

    How about the o-line shoot for just being good, something it was not in 2013.

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    they won't be elite.

    i'll hope for avg-above avg


    that was pretty impressive that Brick has only missed 1 snap.

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    the premise of the Title/subject of the article and it's categorization of "elite" territory are obviously misplaced considering the marginal play of the Jet's O-line in recent times. In order for the word "elite" to be used in this article or any type of discussion for that matter, the jet's would first have to play at a good level and or need "elite" players at every position, neither of which they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detectivekimble View Post
    That would be elite. And no chance.

    '09/'10 Ferguson vs. current Ferguson > '09/'10 Ferguson, by far
    Faneca/Slauson vs. Winters/Aboushi > Faneca/Slauson
    '09/'10 Mangold vs. current Mangold > '09/'10 Mangold, by far
    Moore vs. Colon > Moore
    Woody vs. Giacomini >Woody, BY FAR
    I think you are overstating it a bit.

    Woody vs Giacomini in particular.

    You haven't seen Giacomini take a single snap in a Jets uniform.

    The other ones I bolded are questionable conclusions as well.

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    NO

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    Unless Aboushi or Winters metamorphize into Larry Allen this is not an elite OL and I liked the Giacomini signing.

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    Best offensive line in the game and our offense was pathetic. We could have won 2 SB's with an average offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detectivekimble View Post
    That would be elite. And no chance.

    '09/'10 Ferguson vs. current Ferguson > '09/'10 Ferguson, by far
    Faneca/Slauson vs. Winters/Aboushi > Faneca/Slauson
    '09/'10 Mangold vs. current Mangold > '09/'10 Mangold, by far
    Moore vs. Colon > Moore
    Woody vs. Giacomini >Woody, BY FAR
    So you have a crystal ball which tells you what guys you've never seen play will do on the line? And a player like Winters, you know that he won't continue to develop and improve? Because Moore etc were the same as a rookie as they were in 09/10?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rextilleon View Post
    In short---NO---competent but not elite.
    Agree. And some work needs to be done to get to competent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    So you have a crystal ball which tells you what guys you've never seen play will do on the line? And a player like Winters, you know that he won't continue to develop and improve? Because Moore etc were the same as a rookie as they were in 09/10?
    Moore was at his best those years. And Moore at his best was one of the top OGs in the league. Do you think Winters will be one of the top OLs in the league this year?

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