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    talk about a story that has gotten VIRUTALLY NO PLAY in the right-wing outlets...

    this immigration bill is something you'd expect from Slick Willy - i'd have to think that Bush's supporters are dissapointed with this bill.

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    Disappointed doens't even do justice to my reaction...believe me.

    Bush pisses me off in a lot of ways, trust me. If there was ANYONE else I'd vote for them.

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    I don't know all the details, but from what I have heard about it, I absolutely disagree with what he is doing.

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    Hard core Republican here who fully disagrees with his plan. Contrary to what some of you friends to the left may think, I do not blindly follow W without reservations here and there. I don't understand how we are boosting BICE's (Formerally INS) budget to boot illegals out of the country, then tell illegals they can keep their job. Then comes the argument of why are we allowing illegals to take he jobs that citizens could be working instead. It doesn't make much sense to me to be honest.

    Also on my concern list: the booming increase in spending and the size of government and the overextension of our military forces. Although the latter is more Rumsfeld's fault, since he continues to argue against increasing the size of the Army despite support from congress and worse, his insistance on actually downsizing.

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    Bitonti this is scary.

    Just last summer, it was reported that the jobless rate in the nation was (I think) the highest since 1983. For african-americans and other minorities, it was double that amount. For teenagers, shockingly, the unemployment rate was at it's highest peake since the 1950's :o

    By the way, Bitonti, you're a bright fellow and you surely realize the way the unemployment numbers are caculated, they are [b]bogus to begin with[/b]. We only count workers unemployed for a short period of time, not discouraged workers. If we did get a real read, the unemployment rate would be double, at the very least......So we need guest workers :blink:

    A short while back, left-leaning Arizona govenor Janet Napalitano admitted on George Stephanapolous' TV show that her state was losing billions on illegal aliens. She, along with McCain and others, pleaded publicly for Federal money to make up the difference. She eventually [b]got our money[/b]. California has a similar problem, as does Texas, New Mexico, New York and other large states.

    [b][i]Here's my question: [/i][/b]Arizona and other bankrupt states now run to the feds for funding of illegal aliens. But if this continues to spread, who will bail the United States out? France? Belguim, Iraq? Iran?


    If you are corncerned about the problem I suggest you Fax the White House...So far, I hear, they've been inundated by negative feedback. That's not suprising, considering even the leftist Zoogby poll shows about 80 to 85% of Americans are against blanket amnesties--any way Georgey cloaks this, this is an amnesty.



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    [b]Riggo[/b] you are absolutely correct about the way the rate is calculated - if you include those who work part-time involuntarily, plus "discouraged" workers the real rate is up around 11 or 12% - this country has been understating the rate for years.

    as for the federal gov't bailing out the states, just watch, 2004 is gonna be all about that - CA is screwed and Arnie has his hands out in a big way. The Western states are notorious for wanting No Gov't involvement, except when they need help, at which point they beg and plead for gov't involvement.

    unfortunately, as opponnets of the White House have learned there is no way to reliabily communicate to the president your displeasure with his policies. All commications are divided into Pro and Con... the Pros may or may not be read by someone affiliated with the WH, the Cons are viewed for security reasons and disgarded.

    Bush doesn't care what people think, except in the sense that he wants to get re-elected. a second-term Bush is way more scary than a first term Bush, if that's possible.

    Buenos Dias Amigos!

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    great post Riggo especially the last comment

    that's why i support Wesley Clark - the man is basically a republican who switched parties. Very knowledgable (1st in his class at West Point). He was knee deep in the real s**t in Nam when George was AWOL, so he should know how to maintain a superpower in a dangerous world without actually risking the lives of his men. He won't do somthing dumb like pull all the troops out of Iraq, he has relevant and sensical plans to deal with the economy - he's from AK which makes him electable to the southern/midwest - he's my choice.

    notice This Bush immegration bill is getting NO PLAY on Fox news - there is a blurb but all the talk is about the Orange Alert.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Jan 7 2004, 04:40 PM
    [b] notice This Bush immegration bill is getting NO PLAY on Fox news - there is a blurb but all the talk is about the Orange Alert. [/b][/quote]
    They just love to sell that fear, don't they?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Jan 7 2004, 02:22 PM
    [b] talk about a story that has gotten VIRUTALLY NO PLAY in the right-wing outlets...
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    Bit, that is a LIE.

    Rush talked about it at length. Even had a feed of Bush's speech.

    Hannity led off with it, and played clips of Bush's speech.

    Nice try though.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by shakin318+Jan 7 2004, 04:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (shakin318 @ Jan 7 2004, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--bitonti[/i]@Jan 7 2004, 02:22 PM
    [b] talk about a story that has gotten VIRUTALLY NO PLAY in the right-wing outlets...
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    Bit, that is a LIE.

    Rush talked about it at length. Even had a feed of Bush&#39;s speech.

    Hannity led off with it, and played clips of Bush&#39;s speech.

    Nice try though. [/b][/quote]
    shakin you listen to that drug addicted pusher Rush Limbaugh?

    No wonder you&#39;re so stupid.

    Furthermore, since when do they allow you to bring a radio into the public library?

    You&#39;re lucky they let you use the computer there all day.

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    [quote][b]Then comes the argument of why are we allowing illegals to take he jobs that citizens could be working instead. It doesn&#39;t make much sense to me to be honest. [/b][/quote]

    On the surface this doesn&#39;t make sense. But if you look deeper you can see the real motivations.

    Republicans miss the days of slave labor. Here is a clip from the Washington Post.

    "Bush&#39;s supporters in the business community have made liberalization of immigration laws a top priority because of a shortage of workers willing to take low-wage jobs. And both political parties see Latino voters, who generally support more liberal immigration policies, as crucial to the November elections."

    So basically his rich buisness supporters are pissed because without the slave laborers they may actually have to pay someone minimum-wage :o

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Jan 7 2004, 04:00 PM
    [b] [quote][b]Then comes the argument of why are we allowing illegals to take he jobs that citizens could be working instead. It doesn&#39;t make much sense to me to be honest. [/b][/quote]

    On the surface this doesn&#39;t make sense. But if you look deeper you can see the real motivations.

    Republicans miss the days of slave labor. Here is a clip from the Washington Post.

    "Bush&#39;s supporters in the business community have made liberalization of immigration laws a top priority because of a shortage of workers willing to take low-wage jobs. And both political parties see Latino voters, who generally support more liberal immigration policies, as crucial to the November elections."

    So basically his rich buisness supporters are pissed because without the slave laborers they may actually have to pay someone minimum-wage :o [/b][/quote]
    Section-

    How old are you? 22?

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    [quote][b]Section-

    How old are you? 22? [/b][/quote]

    25

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    This plan sucks and I don&#39;t like it one bit.

    However, considering the alternatives (liberal democrats) and how badly they will screw up immigration and national security, GWB is the one and only choice for me when I pull the lever this November.

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    [b]Section -[/b]

    Thanks, no biggie. You&#39;re just a new guy to these threads and we pretty much know everyone else&#39;s ages and all. I&#39;m 29.

    You&#39;re being a bit dramatic, IMO, but I agree that this immigration policy blows.

    Tell me, what do you think about capitalism?

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    Not to mention the health-care costs that the socialists want to have us all pay, and the fact that the very first thing these peopel do when they enter our country is to break its laws.

    Unless the word &#39;illegal&#39; is going to cease to have meaning, why can&#39;t we just deport them? (Spare me the, "It&#39;s just not rational to suggest this.") Of course it is rational. Whatever the cost is, it&#39;s worth it.

    Here illegally? Bye-bye&#33;&#33;

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Riggins44[/i]@Jan 7 2004, 05:12 PM
    [b] Section109Row15, you make some good points, but your first point about the cheap labor is were it&#39;s at.

    The thing about "latino voters" is bogus. The vast majority of people of Latin descent are good, hardworking people who want our nat&#39;l laws enforced. What Bush won&#39;t tell you, is that something like 40% of hispanic voters polled want no part of amnesty....Zoogby found that in 2001, when George pruposed his first amnesty--sidetracked by 9/11.

    It&#39;s all about one thing: Cheap labor and more cheap labor....What these clowns don&#39;t tell you, is the enourmous cost to us financially.

    For example, a company that hires 500 illegals to work in a chicken factory gets a large pool of exploited workers. Meanwhile, if an illegal has a kid that costs 5-10K to school each year, the tax-payers (not the company) pick up the cost. Multiply that by millions of illegals and that were we&#39;re stuck...As Bitonti alluded to, this is were the bloated deficits come into play. [/b][/quote]
    That&#39;s a good point Riggins. But as long as we&#39;re getting into the economics of the situation, consider that the alternative is to pay &#036;9.00 for a head of lettuce if those same companies hire American citizens and pay them minimum wage (if they can find enough American citizens interested in taking the job).

    There are no easy answers to the situation. But either way, Joe Average taxpayer will pay hard for the solution.

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