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    By Edward I. Koch

    Thursday, January 8, 2004

    I am a lifelong Democrat. I was elected to New York's City Council, Congress and three terms as mayor of New York City on the Democratic Party line. I believe in the values of the Democratic Party as articulated by Presidents Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson and by Senators Hubert Humphrey, Henry "Scoop" Jackson and Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Our philosophy is: "If you need a helping hand, we will provide it." The Republican Party's philosophy, on the other hand, can be summed up as: "If I made it on my own, you will have to do the same."

    Nevertheless, I intend to vote in 2004 to reelect President Bush. I will do so despite the fact that I do not agree with him on any major domestic issue, from tax policy to the recently enacted prescription drug law. These issues, however, pale in importance beside the menace of international terrorism, which threatens our very survival as a nation. President Bush has earned my vote because he has shown the resolve and courage necessary to wage the war against terrorism.

    The Democratic presidential contenders, unfortunately, inspire no such confidence. With the exception of Senator Joseph Lieberman, who has no chance of winning, the Democrats have decided that in order to get their party's nomination, they must pander to its radical left wing. As a result, the Democratic candidates, even those who voted to authorize the war in Iraq, have attacked the Bush administration for its successful effort to remove a regime that was a sponsor of terrorism and a threat to world peace.

    The Democrat now leading in the race, former governor Howard Dean, is a disgrace. His willingness to publicly entertain the slander that President Bush had advance warning of the September 11 attacks and his statement that America is no safer as a result of the capture of Saddam Hussein should have been sufficient to end his candidacy. But the radicals who dominate the primaries love the red meat that is thrown to them, even when it comes from a mad cow.

    In contrast, President Bush has confronted the terrorist threat head on. Immediately following the September 11 terrorist attacks, the president presented the core principle of what has become known as the Bush Doctrine, an articulation of American foreign policy that rivals in importance the Monroe Doctrine, which barred foreign imperialism from the Western Hemisphere, and the Truman Doctrine, which sought to contain communism around the world. The Bush Doctrine, simply stated by the president, is: "We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them."

    President Bush has lived up to that credo. Under his leadership, Afghanistan was liberated from Al Qaeda's patron, the Taliban. The president also has demonstrated, through the liberation of Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam Hussein, that he is willing to wage a preemptive war when he believes the national interests of the United States are endangered.

    Even if we never find weapons of mass-destruction in Iraq though I think that we will our military campaign for regime change was justified. If the bodies of a quarter-million Iraqi dissenters killed by Saddam, some tortured with their eyes gouged and tongues cut out, is not proof enough, there is still Saddam's undisputed use of weapons of mass destruction against his own people and Iran. That record is why Congress overwhelmingly voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq.

    It is not only in Afghanistan and Iraq that President Bush has risen to meet challenges presented by our increasingly dangerous world. When the president labeled Iraq, Iran and North Korea an "axis of evil," many commentators mocked him. When he threatened Syria, Iran and Libya with serious consequences if they continued to support terrorist groups, there were those who denounced him for being too bellicose. Now, however, it appears that the president's hard line has begun to pay off. Recently, Libya agreed to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction programs and allow in international inspectors. There are even indications that Iran and possibly North Korea may permit international inspection of their nuclear programs.

    Nor have the president's critics stopped him from standing up for American interests. Many of those who oppose the Bush Doctrine also criticize the president's opposition to the Kyoto Protocol, the International Criminal Court and his decision to withdraw the United States from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. These actions, however, are well-grounded.

    President Bush was correct to oppose the Kyoto Protocol. The treaty would have exempted China and India, which have a combined population of more than 2 billion and are among the world's largest polluters.

    As for the new International Criminal Court, it would be downright irresponsible to give this new tribunal the right to indict and try our military personnel for war crimes, given all the enmity directed at the United States nowadays. Instead we should continue to rely on our military justice system, which has an excellent reputation.

    President Bush also was right to withdraw from the ABM Treaty. That treaty would have prevented the United States from deploying a shield against nuclear missiles that could be launched by rogue states or terrorists. The president's critics can pontificate about the importance of international institutions all they want, but we have to face facts. North Korea has nuclear weapons and the missiles to deliver them. Pakistan not only has nuclear weapons, but is suspected of having provided nuclear technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran. The two recent assassination attempts against President Pervez Musharraf highlight the dangers we face. Should Musharraf be removed or killed, no one knows who will ultimately control Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. It would have been negligent for President Bush to allow our hands to remain tied at a time when we need to be exploring every option to defend ourselves.

    This record and the Democratic candidates' irresponsible rhetoric are the reasons why I will vote for a second term for President Bush. This does not mean, however, that I have given up on my party and its principles. To the contrary, I will continue to fight against the president's domestic agenda. I also hope to support the Democratic effort to take back the presidency in 2008, but it is up to the Democratic Party to show that it can be entrusted with our nation's security.

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    incoherant prattle. No mention of the general. What a pile.

    CLARK IN 04

    at least he doesn't have to borrow a uniform for photo ops.

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    Koch must have gotten alzheimers.

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    Clark in 04.
    Osama in 05.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Spirit of Weeb[/i]@Jan 9 2004, 10:29 AM
    [b] Clark in 04.
    Osama in 05. [/b][/quote]
    So you're saying Bush won't capture Osama bin Laden?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Spirit of Weeb[/i]@Jan 9 2004, 10:29 AM
    [b] Clark in 04.
    Osama in 05. [/b][/quote]
    hmm lets see who's more qualifyed to use our military to find and nab the world's worst terrorist?

    the choices are:

    George Bush who got gentlemen C's at Harvard and went AWOL from the Alabama air national guard in 1972... an admited coke-user and DWI Who's pop got him every job he ever worked

    or

    Wesley Clark a 4 star general, former supreme commander of NATO, Rhodes Scholar, top of his class at West Point, one of the military's most respected officers, a highly intelligent, master of international diplomacy SELF MADE MAN all the way

    a vote for Bush is a vote for mediocrity. Yee haw <_<

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    "Admitted coke user"?? Gotta a link?

    Hysterical name calling, conspiracy theories and flat out lies are Tailgator tactics. Come on, you&#39;re better than that.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti+Jan 9 2004, 11:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (bitonti @ Jan 9 2004, 11:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Spirit of Weeb[/i]@Jan 9 2004, 10:29 AM
    [b] Clark in 04.
    Osama in 05. [/b][/quote]
    hmm lets see who&#39;s more qualifyed to use our military to find and nab the world&#39;s worst terrorist?

    the choices are:

    George Bush who got gentlemen C&#39;s at Harvard and went AWOL from the Alabama air national guard in 1972... an admited coke-user and DWI Who&#39;s pop got him every job he ever worked

    or

    Wesley Clark a 4 star general, former supreme commander of NATO, Rhodes Scholar, top of his class at West Point, one of the military&#39;s most respected officers, a highly intelligent, master of international diplomacy SELF MADE MAN all the way

    a vote for Bush is a vote for mediocrity. Yee haw <_< [/b][/quote]
    You forgot howard dean...a guy who got out of going to Vietnam on medical grounds then proceeded to go skiiing for the year, has called Medicare the worst program ever, knew the nuclear power plant in his state was unsafe yet did nothing about it, gave huge tax breaks to Enron to keep them in his state, enbabled huge contracts for a health company on of his lacky&#39;s lobbied for, denies it all yet babbles rederic on how the President is guilty of the same&#33;

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    [quote][b]You forgot howard dean...a guy who got out of going to Vietnam on medical grounds then proceeded to go skiiing for the year, has called Medicare the worst program ever, knew the nuclear power plant in his state was unsafe yet did nothing about it, gave huge tax breaks to Enron to keep them in his state, enbabled huge contracts for a health company on of his lacky&#39;s lobbied for, denies it all yet babbles rederic on how the President is guilty of the same&#33; [/b][/quote]

    I don&#39;t see Bit endorsing Dean at all. Why don&#39;t you dig up some propaganda on Clark so that you are atleast attcking the guy he supports.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Jan 9 2004, 11:34 AM
    [b] [quote][b]You forgot howard dean...a guy who got out of going to Vietnam on medical grounds then proceeded to go skiiing for the year, has called Medicare the worst program ever, knew the nuclear power plant in his state was unsafe yet did nothing about it, gave huge tax breaks to Enron to keep them in his state, enbabled huge contracts for a health company on of his lacky&#39;s lobbied for, denies it all yet babbles rederic on how the President is guilty of the same&#33; [/b][/quote]

    I don&#39;t see Bit endorsing Dean at all. Why don&#39;t you dig up some propaganda on Clark so that you are atleast attcking the guy he supports. [/b][/quote]
    Won&#39;t be a problem. He supports demokRATS.

    Bit seems to avoid the obvious; howard the hothead is the candidate to beat and more than likely will head the demokRATic ticket in November.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY[/i]@Jan 9 2004, 11:38 AM
    [b] Bit seems to avoid the obvious; howard the hothead is the candidate to beat and more than likely will head the demokRATic ticket in November. [/b][/quote]
    [b]Come Back[/b] while you and every other Bush supporter hope Dean wins the ticket cause he&#39;s unelectable, the real candidate will take the lead shortly after NH, i reckon. in the latest poll he&#39;s gone from 21 points behind Dean to 4. That&#39;s a huge jump and a very positive trend.

    [b]Rockaway[/b] fair enough he&#39;s not an admitted coke user. You got me there - he&#39;s only a [i]suspected[/i] coke user.

    Take that part of the statement out and nothing else i posted is inaccurate. Bush is a horse&#39;s ass who cares only about helping his rich friends. I mean just look at this administration&#39;s accomplishments - biggest projected surplus ever turned into the biggest deficit ever - 2M+ jobs lost permanently - what a guy, definately want 4 more years of this crap. :blink: :blink:

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Jan 9 2004, 11:46 AM
    [b]Take that part of the statement out and nothing else i posted is inaccurate. Bush is a horse&#39;s ass who cares only about helping his rich friends. I mean just look at this administration&#39;s accomplishments - biggest projected surplus ever turned into the biggest deficit ever - 2M+ jobs lost permanently - what a guy, definately want 4 more years of this crap. :blink: :blink:[/b][/quote]
    Right...and where did Clinton get that great surplus from? [b]Significantly[/b] cutting military spending and letting our intelligence services both home and abroad deteriorate so they were basically useless. And we saw what all that savings cost us on 9-11 didn&#39;t we??

    blowjob bill clinton took the "peace dividend" earned by the hard work of the previous two President&#39;s (both Republican) and weakened the nation&#33;

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    [quote][b]Significantly cutting military spending [/b][/quote]

    You say that like it is a bad thing.

    Your right though, if Clinton had increased military spending and we developed the mini-nukes Bush wants to build for a few billion, then 9/11 would never have happened.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Jan 9 2004, 11:55 AM
    [b] [quote][b]Significantly cutting military spending [/b][/quote]

    You say that like it is a bad thing.

    Your right though, if Clinton had increased military spending and we developed the mini-nukes Bush wants to build for a few billion, then 9/11 would never have happened. [/b][/quote]
    That&#39;s right...of course your way, negotiating our enemies into submission, would have great success. :lol:

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    [quote][b]That&#39;s right...of course your way, negotiating our enemies into submission, would have great success.[/b][/quote]

    Can&#39;t you read? I was saying if we had the mini-nukes then this would have never happened.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Jan 9 2004, 12:00 PM
    [b] [quote][b]That&#39;s right...of course your way, negotiating our enemies into submission, would have great success.[/b][/quote]

    Can&#39;t you read? I was saying if we had the mini-nukes then this would have never happened. [/b][/quote]
    I read fine and dandy thank you.

    The first line of your post commented on blowjob bill cutting military spening, infering is was a perfectly fine thing to do.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti+Jan 9 2004, 11:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (bitonti @ Jan 9 2004, 11:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Spirit of Weeb[/i]@Jan 9 2004, 10:29 AM
    [b] Clark in 04.
    Osama in 05. [/b][/quote]
    hmm lets see who&#39;s more qualifyed to use our military to find and nab the world&#39;s worst terrorist?

    the choices are:

    George Bush who got gentlemen C&#39;s at Harvard and went AWOL from the Alabama air national guard in 1972... an admited coke-user and DWI Who&#39;s pop got him every job he ever worked

    or

    Wesley Clark a 4 star general, former supreme commander of NATO, Rhodes Scholar, top of his class at West Point, one of the military&#39;s most respected officers, a highly intelligent, master of international diplomacy SELF MADE MAN all the way

    a vote for Bush is a vote for mediocrity. Yee haw <_< [/b][/quote]
    Get your facts straight. First off, Bush . Not only did Bush get his M.B.A. from Harvard Business School, but he also received a bachelor&#39;s Degree from Yale University. And I don&#39;t know about you, but graduating from Yale, one of the top universities in the nation, is still quite an accomplishment. C&#39;s or no C&#39;s. I doubt most of the people on JL, if any did not graduate from an Ivy League School, if you did kudos to you. Secondly, Bush served in the Texas nat&#39;l guard, not the Alabama nat&#39;l guard. Yeah, Bush got busted for DWI. But at least he admitted to itand cleaned himself up. Tell me what crime is worse, DWI or the President of the United States lying under oath about something he did in the most prestigious office in the world.(which clinton did). Bush has never once openly stated that he has smoked cocaine. Clinton has admitted to smoking marijuana before. I dont seee anyone getting on his case about that.

    You say George W. Bush is a bad person to lead the military, yet in the span of about 2 years he has done what Clinton and Bush&#39;s father couldn&#39;t do in 10. Take out Saddam and Osama. Saddam is pissing himself in some cell right now wondering what&#39;s going to happen next and Osama is either most likely under a pile of rubble in Tora Bora or smart enough not to peek his head out of whatever cave he&#39;s in. Not to mention dismantling the regimes of two nations who have harbored terrorists.


    I respect your opinion as well as everyone else&#39;s But if your going to bash him, at least get his background right.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Mavrik[/i]@Jan 14 2004, 04:48 PM
    [b] Get your facts straight. First off, Bush . Not only did Bush get his M.B.A. from Harvard Business School, but he also received a bachelor&#39;s Degree from Yale University. And I don&#39;t know about you, but graduating from Yale, one of the top universities in the nation, is still quite an accomplishment. C&#39;s or no C&#39;s. I doubt most of the people on JL, if any did not graduate from an Ivy League School, if you did kudos to you. Secondly, Bush served in the Texas nat&#39;l guard, not the Alabama nat&#39;l guard. Yeah, Bush got busted for DWI. But at least he admitted to itand cleaned himself up. Tell me what crime is worse, DWI or the President of the United States lying under oath about something he did in the most prestigious office in the world.(which clinton did). Bush has never once openly stated that he has smoked cocaine. Clinton has admitted to smoking marijuana before. I dont seee anyone getting on his case about that.

    [/b][/quote]President Bush was indeed AWOL from the Texas Air National guard. He cannot account for the last year of his service.

    As far as Bush&#39;s Yale career goes he was a legacy admission which is the rich people&#39;s version of affimitive action. If he had to compete for admission he never would&#39;ve made it.

    Regarding his DWI arrest. I find it interesting that Bush is the only president in the whole history of the United States to have a criminal record [b]before[/b]assuming the office.

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    maybe you should get the background info straight. in 1972 Bush requested (and recieved) a transfer from Texas Air Nat&#39;l guard to the Alabama Nat&#39;l guard... and he NEVER showed up to active duty. He went AWOL for an entire YEAR&#33;&#33;&#33;

    I already retracted the statement that Bush never ADMITTED to using coke but there are witnesses from the time period who claim that he wasn&#39;t just a casual user... he was a HEAVY user.

    also he might have taken out Saddam but Osama is still alive and well, releasing tapes and coordinating the terrorist fronts world-wide. Most likely he is in the tribal borderlands between Afghanistan and our Ally in Pakistan, not in Tora Bora or scared under a rock.

    the bottom line is that Wesley Clark is a self made man who wasn&#39;t mediocre at ANYTHING he did. Besides taking bullets in Nam and NOT QUITTING on his troops, instructing them how to win the battle (which won him Silver Star) He also won the Medal of Freedom our nation&#39;s HIGHEST honor and served this nation proudly for 30+ years before retiring a 4-star general.

    Bush is who he is because of his father and his father&#39;s connections.

    Mavrik if your father was an Yale alumni and the head of the CIA, who was paying full tuition for his son there would be no doubt of you not only getting into Yale and Harvard but graduating with a plethora of gentlemen&#39;s C&#39;s as well as membership in the Skull and Bones.

    wake up man, Bush doesn&#39;t care about anyone who isn&#39;t rich as he is. He cut military pay, cut military benefits and hasn&#39;t visited a SINGLE funeral for a fallen soldier. He&#39;s willing to send people off to die but not willing to think about the real consequence or even care about them. Besides the almost 500 dead soldiers there are more than 2500 with life-changing injuries... not to mention if the 30% figure of Gulf War Syndrome holds true for this conflict we are talking about over 40,000 disabled vets on their way back.

    If you want your president to be an elitist scumbag who&#39;s pops got him everything he ever wanted then sure, vote for Bush, be my guest. Why don&#39;t you write in a vote for Richie Rich while you are at it. Dollar would be a better VP then Cheney.

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