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    Lyndon LaRouche!!!!!!!!!!


    How HILARIOUS was Franken's quote about how he tackled that guy to shut him up, all in the name os "free speech." You can't even make that stuff up!

    Bit - this is just my unsupported opinion, but I think you are over-rating Clark and under-rating Kerry.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Jan 29 2004, 10:44 AM
    [b] i don't have confidence when it comes to crunch time the American people will relate to a billionaire Liberal from Mass over a millionare Republican from Texas

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    Kerry is such a billionaire liberal that he had to mortgage his home to finance his campaign. That dog won't hunt!

    BTW...It's worth examining how Bush amased the majority of his fortune. Because he used taxpayer dollars as his seed money.

    When Bush was a part owner of the Texas Rangers he and his partners had a publically financed stadium built for them and this greatly increased the value of the franchise. Thus when he sold his share he was able to pocket over $200 million. Nice huh?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by jets5ever[/i]@Jan 29 2004, 10:48 AM
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    Bit - this is just my unsupported opinion, but I think you are over-rating Clark and under-rating Kerry. [/b][/quote]
    5ever the truth is im not wedded to any particular candidate per se i just want the guy who's running to win

    if Hulk hogan was running i'd back him over EVERYONE and that's not a lie.

    im all about learning the mistakes of history and never repeating them

    history has not been kind to the personality challenged senatorial wash insider

    Walter Mondale
    Al Gore
    Bob Dole

    history has not been kind to the NE liberal

    Michael Dukakis

    history has not been kind to the misguided Dakota man

    George McGovern
    Hubert Humphry

    --

    [b]HOWEVER[/b]
    history has been kind to the dixiecrat self-made man

    Bill Clinton
    Jimmy Carter

    also history has been kind to the first time running for public office General

    Dwight Eisenhower

    at the end of the day i just want someone who can win.

    the best thing Kerry has going for him is that he's not Bush. That may or may not cut the mustard.

    well that's not entirely true the best thing he has going for him is that publicist that put him on a hog and put him in a hockey game. Remember though you can put him in the most manly situations possible but at the end of the day when the average "security mom" looks at John kerry they see a man completely unqualified to go toe to toe with the baddies of the world. Yeah obviously he has a military history and obviously he would have advisors but that s**t won't resolate with John and Jane Q Voter. WHat resonates is real machismo. The imaginary idea that if the two candidates got into a fight, one of em would ***** slap the other one into submission.

    Kerry isn't tough. He's not exciting. His background is distasteful to many. A Bush-Kerry choice is like a Bush-Gore choice. People will be voting for the better of two bad options.

    also FWIW the people in my Philly neighborhood call him Jim Kerry like the retarded screen actor.

    not that its the most important issue but based on his spotty voting record Its HIGHLY debatable whether he'd make better presidential decisions than Bush has.

    a guy like Clark could steal votes from the Republican party and could capture the minds of the independants/undecideds.

    like i said it doesn't have to be Clark... and maybe im wrong on Kerry... but we have to see how these guys play in the south. Feb 3 is a big day.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by tailgators[/i]@Jan 29 2004, 10:54 AM
    [b] Kerry is such a billionaire liberal that he had to motgage his home to finance his campaign. That dog won't hunt! [/b][/quote]
    [b]tail[/b] do you really think the average voter is going to buy that self-made man crap? he's the richest husband in the senate and he's a Yale alum just like George.

    hmm lets see who should i vote for:

    the Billionare Yale Grad from Mass or the Billionare Yale Grad from Texas

    as Gore showed, being the Better of two bad options is just good enough to lose.

    if the dems are going to piss this election away like they have so many others at least make it exciting and run someone different.

    Hulkamania! "whatcha gonna do Al_QUeda, when the largest armed forces in the WOOOORLLD comes down on you! oH YEAH mean gene"

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    Kerry looks like Fred Gwynne, aka, Herman Munster.

    [img]http://www.allposters.com/images/72/039_68869_a.jpg[/img]

    [img]http://www.nydailynews.com/ips_rich_content/603-kerry2003.JPG[/img]

    And his main way of earning a living is marrying rich women, when he busy wasn't pretending to be Irish in Boston when he saw that as a political plus. What a guy. Again, I can at least see Dean as a living brething thinking human being; Kerry is as packaged as cornflakes.



    Just a gigolo
    Ann Coulter

    January 29, 2004


    After the New Hampshire primary, Dennis Kucinich's new slogan is: ".001 Percent of America Can't Be Wrong!" John Edwards' new slogan is: "Vote for Me or We'll See You in Court." Joe Lieberman's new slogan is: "Sixth Place Is Not an Option." (Bumper sticker version: "Ask Me About My Delegate.") Al Sharpton's new slogan is "Hello? Room Service?" Wesley Clark's new slogan is: "Leading America's War on Fetuses." Howard Dean's new slogan is: "I Want to Be Your President ... And So Do I!"

    That leaves John Kerry (new slogan: "Nous Sommes Nombre Un!"), who is winning Democratic voters in droves on the basis of his superior ability to taunt George Bush for his lack of combat experience. Like every war hero I've ever met, John Kerry seems content to spend his days bragging about his battlefield exploits. Wait, wait ... Let me correct that last sentence: like no war hero I've ever met ...

    As everyone has heard approximately 1 billion times by now, Kerry boasts that he has REAL experience with aircraft carriers, and if Bush wants to run on national security, then ... BRING IT ON!

    I note that when George Bush directed that precise phrase at Islamic terrorists who yearn to slaughter American women and children, liberals were enraged at the macho posturing of it. But they feel "Bring it on!" is a perfectly appropriate expression when directed at a dangerous warmonger like George Bush. ("Bring it on!" was deemed better than Kerry's first impulse, "Let's get busy, sister!")

    Kerry was indisputably brave in Vietnam, and it's kind of cute to see Democrats pretend to admire military service. Physical courage, like chastity, is something liberals usually deride, but are tickled when it accidentally manifests itself in one of their own. One has to stand in awe of Kerry's military service 33 years ago. Of course, that's where it ends, including with Kerry – inasmuch as, upon his return from war in 1970, he promptly began trashing his fellow Vietnam vets by calling them genocidal murderers.

    But if Bush can't talk to Kerry about the horrors of war, then Kerry sure as hell can't talk to anyone about the plight of the middle class. Kerry's life experience consists of living off other men's money by marrying their wives and daughters.

    For over 30 years, Kerry's primary occupation has been stalking lonely heiresses. Not to get back to his combat experience, but Kerry sees a room full of wealthy widows as "a target-rich environment." This is a guy whose experience dealing with tax problems is based on spending his entire adult life being supported by rich women. What does a kept man know about taxes?

    In 1970, Kerry married into the family of Julia Thorne – a family estimated to be worth about $300 million. She got depressed, so he promptly left her and was soon seen catting around with Hollywood starlets, mostly while the cad was still married. (Apparently, JFK really was his mentor.) Thorne is well-bred enough to say nothing ill of her Lothario ex-husband. He is, after all, the father of her children – a fact that never seemed to constrain him.

    When Kerry was about to become the latest Heinz family charity, he sought to have his marriage to Thorne annulled, despite the fact that it had produced two children. It seems his second meal ticket, Teresa Heinz, wanted the first marriage annulled – and Heinz is worth more than $700 million. Kerry claims he will stand up to powerful interests, but he can't even stand up to his wife.

    Heinz made Kerry sign a prenuptial agreement, presumably aware of how careless he is with other people's property, such as other people's Vietnam War medals, which Kerry threw on the ground during a 1971 anti-war demonstration.

    At pains to make Kerry sound like a normal American, his campaign has described how Kerry risked everything, mortgaging his home in Boston to help pay for his presidential campaign. Technically, Kerry took out a $6 million mortgage for "his share" of "the family's home" – which was bought with the Heinz family fortune. (Why should he spend his own money? He didn't throw away his own medals.) I'm sure the average working stiff in Massachusetts can relate to a guy who borrows $6 million against his house to pay for TV ads.

    Kerry's campaign has stoutly insisted that he will pay off the mortgage himself, with no help from his rich wife. Let's see: According to tax returns released by his campaign, in 2002, Kerry's income was $144,091. But as the Washington Post recently reported, even a $5 million mortgage paid back over 30 years at favorable interest rates would cost $30,389 a month – or $364,668 a year.

    The Democrats' joy at nominating Kerry is perplexing. To be sure, liberals take a peculiar, wrathful pleasure in supporting pacifist military types. And Kerry's life story is not without a certain feral aggression. But if we're going to determine fitness for office based on life experience, Kerry clearly has no experience dealing with problems of typical Americans since he is a cad and a gigolo living in the lap of other men's money.

    Kerry is like some character in a Balzac novel, an adventurer twirling the end of his mustache and preying on rich women. This low-born poseur with his threadbare pseudo-Brahmin family bought a political career with one rich woman's money, dumped her, and made off with another heiress to enable him to run for president. If Democrats want to talk about middle-class tax cuts, couldn't they nominate someone who hasn't been a poodle to rich women for the past 33 years?


    Ann Coulter is host of AnnCoulter.org, a Townhall.com member group.

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    [b]The GOP Attacks Begin![/b]

    Today, RNC Chair Ed Gillespie made another desperate attack on the patriotism of John Kerry. The Republicans have used the same Lee Atwater/Karl Rove attack plan book for decades, and today marks just the beginning of their plan to smear John Kerry.

    We need your help to stand up to Republican attacks. The Republican war chest is brimming, and much of this money will go towards smear tactics against not just John Kerry, but many Americans who dare to confront their radical plans.

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    The people of Iowa and New Hampshire have spoken with a clear voice: they believe in John Kerry and his fight for America's future. Now, voters nationwide are paying attention.

    If Americans choose John Kerry as the Democratic nominee, they choose a decorated veteran with 35 years of service to his country on matters of defense and national security. Kerry is the one candidate in this race who can go toe to toe with Bush and win.

    John Kerry enlisted to serve his country with honor in combat during Vietnam. Republican leaders like Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and Tom DeLay made other choices.

    John Kerry came home to fight the Nixon Administration to end the war and bring our troops home. The Nixon White House feared Kerry like no other war protestor, and an effort was begun to "destroy John Kerry's anti-war leadership." The White House Counsel, Charles Colson, "in a secret memo, revealed he had a mission to target Kerry: 'Destroy the young demagogue...'" [Boston Globe, 6/17/03]

    John Kerry pledges that those who wore the uniform of the United States of America will have a voice and a champion in the Oval Office. The Bush Administration has broken promises to our veterans.

    John Kerry will make sure that America always possesses the best equipped, best trained and most powerful fighting force in the world. Under the Bush Administration, soldiers in the field are relying on their parents to buy body armor off the internet to protect them.

    John McCain has said of John Kerry, "He's smart, he's tough and he's experienced. He has the capability." [Boston Herald, 6/30/03]
    Take action with us today. The RNC's attempts to tear us down will not work: stand with us now to tell the RNC that this time they won't get away with it!

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    Pass this message on to your friends. Fight for our future!

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    Bugg...If you guys insist on posting the inane drones of Ann Coulter then I guess I'll have to counter with Michael Moore.

    Enjoy!!

    [b]You Say Deserter, I Say More Dessert... by Michael Moore[/b]

    January 27, 2004

    Friends,

    I would like to apologize for referring to George W. Bush as a "deserter." What I meant to say is that George W. Bush is a deserter, an election thief, a drunk driver, a WMD liar and a functional illiterate. And he poops his pants. In fact, he “shot a man in Reno just to watch him die."

    Actually, what I meant to say up in New Hampshire last week was that "We're going to have Bush for dessert come November!" I'm always mixing up "dessert" and "desert" -- I'm sure many of you have that problem.

    Well, well, well. As George W. would say, "It's time to smoke ‘em out of their hole!" Thanks to my "humorous" introduction of Wesley Clark 10 days ago in New Hampshire -- and the lughead way the no-sense-of-humor media has covered it -- there were 15 million hits this weekend on my website. Everyone who visited the site got to read the truth about Bush not showing up for National Guard duty.

    The weird thing about all this is that during my routine I never went into any details about Bush skipping out while in the Guard (it's not like it's the biggest issue on my mind or facing America these days!) I was just attempting my best impersonation of that announcer guy for the World Wrestling Federation, asking the cheering crowd if they would like to see a smackdown ("debate") which I called "The Generaaal Versus The Deserterrrr!!" (You can watch it here -- hardly anyone in the media has shown this clip because viewers would suddenly see the context of my comments.)

    When the press heard me use that word "deserter," though, the bells and whistles went off, for this was one of those stories they knew they had ignored -- and now it was rearing its ugly, truthful head on a very public stage. Without a single other word from me other than the d-word, they immediately got so defensive that it looked to many viewers like they—the press—maybe had something to hide. After all, when I called Bush a deserter, how did they know I wasn't referring to how he has deserted the 43 million Americans who have no health coverage? Why didn't they assume I was talking about how Bush is a deserter because he has deserted the working people of this country (who have lost 3 million jobs since he's taken office)? Why wasn't it obvious to them that I was pointing out how Bush had deserted our constitution and Bill of Rights as he tries to limit freedom of speech and privacy rights for law-abiding citizens?

    Instead, they have created the brouhaha over Bush's military record, often without telling their audience what the exact charges are. It seems all they want to do is to get Clark or me -- or you -- to shut up. "We have never investigated this and so we want you to apologize for bringing it up!" Ha ha ha.

    Well, I'm glad they have gone nuts over it. Because here we have a Commander in Chief --who just took off while in uniform to go work for some Republican friend of his dad's -- now sending our kids over to Iraq to die while billions are promised to Halliburton and the oil companies. Twenty percent of them are National Guard and Reserves (and that number is expected to double during the year). They have been kept in Iraq much longer than promised, and they have not been given the proper protection. They are sitting ducks.

    What if any of them chose to do what Bush did back in the early 70s -- just not show up? I've seen Republican defenders of Bush this week say, “Yeah, but he made up the time later.” So, can today's National Guardsmen do the same thing -- just say, when called up to go to Iraq, "Um, I'm not going to show up, I'll make up the time later!"? Can you imagine what would happen? Of course, none of them are the son of a Congressman, like young Lt. Bush was back in 1972.

    Today, MoveOn.org has put together it's response to this issue, and I would love to reprint it here. It lays out all the facts about Bush and the remaining unanswered questions about where he went for many, many months:

    Here are what appear to be the known facts, laid out recently in considerable detail and documentation by retired pilot and Air National Guard First Lt. Robert A. Rogers, and in a 2003 book, “The Lies of George W. Bush,” by David Corn.

    1. George W. Bush graduated from Yale in 1968 when the war in Vietnam was at its most deadly and the military draft was in effect. Like many of his social class and age, he sought to enter the National Guard, which made Vietnam service unlikely, and fulfill his military obligation. Competition for slots was intense; there was a long waiting list. Bush took the Air Force officer and pilot qualification tests on Jan. 17, 1968, and scored the lowest allowed passing grade on the pilot aptitude portion.

    2. He, nevertheless, was sworn in on May 27, 1968, for a six-year commitment. After a few weeks of basic training, Bush received an appointment as a second lieutenant – a rank usually reserved for those completing four years of ROTC or 18 months active duty service. Bush then went to flight school and trained on the F-102 interceptor fighter jet. Fighter pilots were in great demand in Vietnam at the time, but Bush wound up serving as a “weekend warrior” in Houston, where his father’s congressional district was centered.

    A Houston Chronicle story published in 1994, quoted in Corn’s book, has Bush saying: “I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes.”

    3. Sometime after May 1971, young Lt. Bush stopped participating regularly in Guard activities. According to Texas Air National Guard records, he had fewer than the required flight duty days and was short of the minimum service owed the Guard. Records indicate that Bush never flew after May 1972, despite his expensive training and even though he still owed the National Guard two more years.

    4. On May 24, 1972, Bush asked to be transferred to an inactive reserve unit in Alabama, where he also would be working on a Republican senate candidate’s campaign. The request was denied. For months, Bush apparently put in no time at all in Guard service. In August 1972, Bush was grounded -- suspended from flying duties -- for failing to submit to an annual physical exam. (Why wouldn't he take this exam from a doctor?)

    5. During his 2000 presidential campaign, Bush’s staff said he recalled doing duty in Alabama and then returning to Houston for still more duty. But the commander of the Montgomery, AL, unit where Bush said he served told the Boston Globe that he had no recollection of Bush – son of a congressman – ever reporting, nor are there records, as there should be, supporting Bush’s claim. Asked at a press conference in Alabama on June 23, 2000 what duties he had performed as a Guardsman in that state, Bush said he could not recall, “but I was there.”

    6. In May, June and July, 1973, Bush suddenly started participating in Guard activities back in Houston again – pulling 36 days at Ellington Air Base in that short period. On Oct. 1, 1973, eight months short of his six-year service obligation and scheduled discharge, Bush apparently was discharged with honors from the Texas Air National Guard (eight months short of his six-year commitment). He then went to Harvard Business School.

    Documents supporting these reports, released under Freedom of Information Act requests, appear along with Rogers’ article on the web at [url=http://democrats.com/display.cfm?id=154]http://democrats.com/display.cfm?id=154[/url].

    In the absence of full disclosure by the President or his supporters, only the President and perhaps a few family or other close associates know the whole truth. And they’re not talking.

    Bush was apparently absent without official leave from his assigned military service for as little as seven months (New York Times) or as much as 17 months (Boston Globe) during a time when 500,000 American troops were fighting the Vietnam War. The Army defines a “deserter” -- also known as a DFR, for “dropped from rolls” – as one who is AWOL 31 days or more: www-ari.army.mil/pdf/s51.pdf.

    Well, there you have it. Someone got some special treatment. And now that special someone believes he has the right to conduct a war -- using other not-so-special people's lives.

    My friends, I always call it like I see it. I don't *****foot around. Sometimes the truth is hard to take. The media conglomerates are too afraid to take this on. I understand. But I'm not. That's my job. And I'll continue to do it.

    And when I'm wrong, like the thing about Bush pooping his pants, I'll say so.

    Yours,

    Michael Moore

    [email]mmflint@aol.com[/email]

    [url]www.michaelmoore.com[/url]

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    things must be getting bad for you tailgator since your turning to fat bastard for answers..... :(

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    Bugg...I always thought it was Lurch of the Adams Household but I see you have a point.

    [b]1995: John Kerry- Proposed Bill Cutting $1.5 Billion From Intelligence Budget. Kerry introduced a bill that would “reduce the Intelligence budget by $300 million in each of fiscal years 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, and 2000.” There were no cosponsors of Kerry’s bill, which never made it to the floor for a vote. (S. 1290, Introduced 9/29/95)

    1995: John Kerry- Voted To Slash FBI Funding By $80 Million. (H.R. 2076, CQ Vote #480: Adopted 49-41: R 9-40; D 40-1, 9/29/95, Kerry Voted Yea)

    1994: John Kerry- Proposed Bill To Gut $1 Billion From Intelligence And Freeze Spending For Two Major Intelligence Programs. Kerry proposed a bill cutting $1 billion from the budgets of the National Foreign Intelligence Program and from Tactical Intelligence, and freezing their budgets. The bill did not make it to a vote, but the language was later submitted (and defeated – see below) as S. Amdt. 1452 to H.R. 3759. (S. 1826, Introduced 2/3/94)
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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY[/i]@Jan 29 2004, 09:34 PM
    [b] things must be getting bad for you tailgator since your turning to fat bastard for answers. [/b][/quote]
    If you guys insist on posting the dribblings from the skank, then I'll counter with the fat bastard! :lol:

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    [quote][b]things must be getting bad for you tailgator since your turning to fat bastard for answers..... [/b][/quote]

    Show me a reputable news source that refutes his claim that Bush is a deserter.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Jan 30 2004, 11:16 AM
    [b] [quote][b]things must be getting bad for you tailgator since your turning to fat bastard for answers..... [/b][/quote]

    Show me a reputable news source that refutes his claim that Bush is a deserter. [/b][/quote]
    no need to considering the source you are relying on for information....michael moore-on is as reputable as a weather forecaster predicting the weather four years out from today.

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    some Come Back since you know it all

    do tell where was Bush during 1972?

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    Michael Moore is not the source, he's just harping on it as the messenger. There are numerous sites that have direct links to his missing record, and some Republicans basically admit defeat when they come up with deflections like "well he made up the time later" or "well Howard Dean went skiing".

    I posted the links last week, and I'll post another one again with thorough links to firsthand documents,

    [url=http://democrats.com/display.cfm?id=154]http://democrats.com/display.cfm?id=154[/url]

    You can piss on it all you want because it's a URL hosted at 'democrats.com', but the article has a ton of external links as well. Until I see your side come up with a single firsthand document refuting these claims other than prattling on about Gore, Clinton, Dean, and Michael Moore's lack of military service, you're the one playing blind man's buff.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Jet Set Junta[/i]@Jan 30 2004, 01:56 PM
    [b]
    [url=http://democrats.com/display.cfm?id=154]http://democrats.com/display.cfm?id=154[/url]

    You can piss on it all you want because it's a URL hosted at 'democrats.com', but the article has a ton of external links as well. Until I see your side come up with a single firsthand document refuting these claims other than prattling on about Gore, Clinton, Dean, and Michael Moore's lack of military service, you're the one playing blind man's buff. [/b][/quote]
    Blind man's bluff??

    If it is/was such a "problem" answer me this....why didn't the Rats jump all over it in 2000? Especially since clinton's draft dodging was a sore topic for them?

    Also...the links in the article at democrat.com are very unbiased, non-politically motivated sources, wouldn;t you say?

    I like the way you try and direct us/me to a relibale source; the democrats.com url doesn't bother me but when they are advertising books by/on Howard Dean, Micahel moore-on, Al Fraken and the likes, the site obviously has an agenda.

    I can post thousands of links that refutes this article from FreeRepublic.com but it would be more of the same BS from your side.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY+Jan 30 2004, 01:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Come Back to NY @ Jan 30 2004, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Jet Set Junta[/i]@Jan 30 2004, 01:56 PM
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    [url=http://democrats.com/display.cfm?id=154]http://democrats.com/display.cfm?id=154[/url]

    You can piss on it all you want because it&#39;s a URL hosted at &#39;democrats.com&#39;, but the article has a ton of external links as well. Until I see your side come up with a single firsthand document refuting these claims other than prattling on about Gore, Clinton, Dean, and Michael Moore&#39;s lack of military service, you&#39;re the one playing blind man&#39;s buff. [/b][/quote]
    Blind man&#39;s bluff??

    If it is/was such a "problem" answer me this....why didn&#39;t the Rats jump all over it in 2000? Especially since clinton&#39;s draft dodging was a sore topic for them? [/b][/quote]
    CBTNY -

    That&#39;s not a substantive reply. I have done some research myself, not that it may mater to you, but there is really no denying the fact that Bush&#39;s military record is less than stellar.

    The fact that others do it too may make it not that politically damagin to him, but the fact is that these reports are essentially correct.

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    ComeBack&#39;s question is valid, but doesn&#39;t refute the claims. Gore ran a p***y campaign, and this was one of but many examples. And since he didn&#39;t serve himself, he probably figured it wasn&#39;t worth the risk of questioning the service of an opponent who did.

    I&#39;m still more disappointed in Clark 2 weeks ago not fielding that question from Peter Jennings with more conviction. He didn&#39;t need to shriek "deserter" right then and there, but playing dumb struck me as phony -- I&#39;m sure Clark and his team has looked into this stuff. The best he could do was saying "Moore can say whatever he wants, but he is not the only person who holds that opinion". Peter Jennings called it an "absurd" claim, and that should have been refuted. If these guys have no bones about calling Bush&#39;s current presidency a "disgrace", they should have the balls to stand behind a claim about his military service that IMO has been established without any substantial refutation.

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    note dean&#39;s attack on kerry as "special interest CLONE"

    [quote][b]A study by the Center for Responsive Politics shows [b]Kerry has received more money from lobbyists than any senator, current or former, dating back to 1989[/b], when the center first starting collecting the data. As of September 31, 2003, Kerry had received nearly &#036;640,000 from lobbyists, the group said.

    [b]"We are not going to beat George Bush by nominating somebody who is the handmaiden of special interests," Dean said. "We are not going to beat George Bush with someone who has his hand as deeply in his pockets as George W. Bush.[/b]
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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Jan 29 2004, 11:23 AM
    [b] do you really think the average voter is going to buy that self-made man crap? he&#39;s the richest husband in the senate and he&#39;s a Yale alum just like George.

    hmm lets see who should i vote for:

    the Billionare Yale Grad from Mass or the Billionare Yale Grad from Texas
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    tru dat bit.

    Kerry&#39;s also a Skull and Bones member...

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