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    Just how long has it been since the Sox won?


    To put that in perspective....since 1918...

    1. Radio was invented; Red Sox fans got to hear their team lose
    2. TV was invented; Red Sox fans got to see their team lose.
    3. Baseball added 14 teams; Red Sox fans get to see and hear their team lose to more clubs.
    4. The Ice cream bar was invented in Iowa (1922).
    5. The Great Depression came about.
    6. The US participated in two world wars, and four major armed conflicts.
    7. Mahatma Gandhi lead the civil disobedience movement in India against Great Britain.
    8. Man landed on the moon. (In fact, more people have walked on the surface of the moon than the Red Sox have championship trophies.)
    9. Many Red Sox fans were born, died, and never got to see the Sox win a championship.
    10. Many ballparks were built, and re-made.
    11. Women were given the right to vote.
    12. Two atomic bombs were dropped.
    13. Element 87, Francium, was discovered.
    14. Communism was born, resulted in a Cold War, the Berlin Wall and the eventually demise of.
    15. A space station was developed, built and has orbited the Earth millions of times.
    16. A robotic lander has traveled the surface of Mars.
    17. Computers and the internet were invented.
    18. The Civil Rights Movement was born, came to pass, and segragation was abolished.
    19. The arrivial of the 21st Century!
    20. African Americans were given the right to vote.
    21. "The Star Spangled Banner" became the national anthem by act of Congress.
    22. Flagpoles were erected on the Fenway Park roof to hold all of the teamís future World Series pennants. Those flagpoles have since rusted and been taken down.
    23. Thirteen baseball players have won the Triple Crown; several thanked Red Sox pitchers.
    24. The US Air Defense Command was created.
    25. Amelia Earhart became the first woman to fly solo over the Atlantic.
    26. Bell-bottoms came in style, went out of style and came back in style; disco did the same.
    27. There were eleven amendments added to the Constitution
    28. The NBA and NHL were formed
    29. George Burns celebrated his 20th, 30th, 40th,50th, 60th, 70th, 80th, 90th, and 100th birthdays.
    30. Babe Ruth was sold. He went on to win 4 World Series titles with the Yankees.
    31. 1920- The 18th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was passed by congress.... Just in time for the "roaring twenties".
    32. 1922- Mussolini formed a fascist government in Italy
    33. 1925- John T. Scopes was tried in Tennessee for teaching evolution in school. The "monkey trial" was defended by Clarence Darrow and Prosecuted by William Jennings Bryan.
    34. 1925- Hitler reorganized the Nazi Party and published volume 1 of Mein Kampf
    35. Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs for the New York Yankees.
    36. Alexander Fleming discovered penicillin.
    37. The first Mickey Mouse films were made by Walt Disney.
    38. The Kellogg-Briand Pact, outlawing war, was signed in Paris by 65 states.
    39. The Frisbee was Invented (1948).
    40. The material called plastic was invented by Walter Morris.

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    Lets break down what happened this year.....



    2003 95-67, AL Wildcard, lost to the New York Yankees in the ALCS

    With 95 wins and 67 losses, Boston had their best record since going to the World Series in 1986. 2003 marked the sixth year in a row that the Yankees took the AL East, while the Red Sox came in second. Boston won the wildcard, and played in their first postseason in four years.

    October 11, 2003: The Boston Red Sox came back from a two-game to none deficit against the Oakland Athletics to advance on to the American League Championship Series. They split their first two at Yankee Stadium and the series moved to Fenway tied at one game apiece.

    Boston took a 2-0 lead in the first inning of game three with three hits off of Roger Clemens. Jorge Posada scored on a Karim Garcia single in the second, and Yankee Shortstop Derek Jeter tied the game with a solo homer over the Green Monster in the third. In the top of the fourth, with the game still tied at two, the Yankees had runners on first and second. Hideki Matsui's ground rule double gave New York a 3-2 lead. With first base open, Pedro Martinez hit Karim Garcia with his next pitch. Nick Johnson scored when Alfonso Soriano hit into a double play and Garcia slid hard into secondbaseman Todd Walker. Both teams came out of their dugouts as the two players started shoving. Martinez pointed at his head, taunting New York's Jorge Posada, but did not enter the fray.

    In the bottom of the fourth inning, Roger Clemens threw a 1-2 pitch to Manny Ramirez that was high, but clearly over the plate. Ramirez dove out of the way before the ball reached home plate; both dugouts emptied. In the melee Martinez grabbed 72-year-old Don Zimmer by the head and slammed him to the ground after Zimmer charged towards him. Once play resumed, Ramirez struck out on the next pitch. Boston later scored a run in the seventh to bring the game back to within one. Yankees closer Mariano Rivera pitched scoreless eighth and ninth innings; New York won the game 4-3. Roger Clemens got the win in his final appearance at Fenway Park. Don Zimmer was taken from the park by ambulance after the game.

    October 14, 2003: After Boston tied the ALCS at two games each, New York's David Wells pitched seven innings, giving up four hits and one run. He handed over the game to Mariano Rivera, who got his second save of the 2003 ALCS as the Yankees beat the Red Sox, 4-2, to take a three game to two lead in the best-of-seven series. Wells is one of only five lefties to ever beat the Red Sox at Fenway in the postseason (joining Rube Marquard, 1912 Giants World Series game 3; Hippo Vaughn, 1918 Cubs World Series game 5; Bob Ojeda, 1986 Mets World Series game 3; and Andy Pettite, 1999 ALCS game 4).

    October 16, 2003: After rallying to come back from a two-run deficit in game six, winning 9-6, the Red Sox painted the World Series logo on the field at Fenway Park. They took an early lead in the final, deciding, game of the ALCS. Boston got four runs off of an ineffective Roger Clemens before Mike Mussina took over with runners on first and third with none out in fourth. Mussina got out of the jam, and pitched a total of three scoreless innings in the first relief appearance of his career. The Yankees chipped away, scoring one run in the fifth, and one in the seventh -- both on Jason Giambi home runs.

    New York's David Wells came in to the game in the top of the eighth and gave up a homer to David Ortiz on his first pitch. Boston took a 5-2 lead into the bottom of the inning. Between innings, Pedro Martinez had told his manager that he was tiring and instructed him to get relievers warming up. His pitch count was in triple-digits after a shaky seventh, Boston's bullpen had been doing an outstanding job during the entire postseason, and two relievers were ready in the pen. It appeared that Pedro would not be pitching the eighth. The early edition of the New York Post already included an editorial chiding the Yankees for being unable to close out the series. Grady Little left Martinez in the game. Pedro got Nick Johnson to pop out and Boston was five outs away from beating their archrivals to advance to the World Series.

    Derek Jeter (.394 season average versus Boston, .143 verus Mike Timlin who was available in the pen) doubled to deep right. Little left Martinez in the game to face Bernie Williams, who brought Jeter home with a single to center. New York's best two clutch hitters were due up next. As Grady Little walked to the mound, it seemed that the righthanded Martinez was once again done for the night; lefthanded hitting Hideki Matsui was due up at the plate -- representing the tying run. Matsui was in the top-fifteen in the league in hits, RBIs, and doubles. But Little left Martinez in the game to face Matsui, whose ground rule double brought Bernie Williams around to third. Then, Little left Martinez in to face Jorge Posada (top six in the league in walks and on-base-percentage, 101 regular season RBIs, 30 regular season home runs, .345 season average versus Boston). Posada's two-run double tied it at five.

    After Martinez was finally removed from the game and Jason Giambi was retired by Alan Embree, Ruben Serria reached first on an intentional walk. He was replaced by pinchrunner Aaron Boone, who failed to scored. Yankees closer Mariano Rivera came to pitch the top of the ninth of the tie ballgame. Jason Varitek hit a one-out single, and was replaced by Damian Jackson who moved to second on a Johnny Damon grounder. Todd Walker lined out to end the inning. New York could not get a runner on base in the ninth against Mike Timlin.

    David Ortiz hit a two-out double off of Rivera in the top of the tenth and was replaced on second by Gabe Kapler. The next batter, Kevin "Cowboy Up" Millar, popped out to end the Sox inning. Knuckleballer Tim Wakefield, who already had two wins in the '03 ALCS, had a 1-2-3 tenth inning. Rivera stayed in, retiring three straight Boston batters in the top of the eleventh. Aaron Boone (who had been batting .161, and had managed only one RBI, in the postseason) hit Tim Wakefield's first pitch of the eleventh inning into the leftfield stands to win the game, 6-5. The following morning a large blue tarp, surrounded by yellow warning tape, covered the freshly painted World Series logo on the Fenway Park grass.


    Mariano Rivera, who had two saves and a win, was named MVP. In the two American League Championship Series in which New York played Boston (1999 and 2003), Rivera pitched a total of 12-2/3 innings. He gave up ten hits, walked none, struck out nine, and allowed just one earned run.

    AL Batting Champion Bill Mueller hit .222 in the ALCS, striking out seven times. In twelve postseason games, he never drove in a run, and scored only once. Nomar Garciaparra was second in the league in runs scored during the regular season, but only scored twice in the series. He came to bat with runners on base twelve times against the Yankees, and never had a hit in those twelve at-bats. With runners in scoring position during the 2003 postseason, Garciaparra, Jason Varitek, and Mueller all batted .000.


    Shortly after the postseason, the Red Sox declined to pick up Grady Little's 2004 option and announced their annual ticket price hike. The average cost of a ticket to see a game at Fenway in 2004 will be $44.37. Fenway will be the most expensive venue in baseball for the sixth straight year. 2004 is the ninth straight year that the Red Sox have raised prices.

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    The last paragraph says it all. Grady is gone and the Yanks will fall.

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    Originally posted by PFSIKH@Feb 9 2004, 08:04 PM
    The last paragraph says it all. Grady is gone and the Yanks will fall.
    They said that about Kennedy & Williams didnt they? :lol: :lol:

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    Originally posted by PFSIKH@Feb 9 2004, 08:04 PM
    The last paragraph says it all. Grady is gone and the Yanks will fall.
    In that peaceful clubhouse of yours, the only thing that will fall is the Bosox record. "The Blue jays are coming, the Blue Jays are coming" :lol:

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    Smizzy - Getting rid of williams was a mistake because Duquette listened to the players and not the coach. That team minus Nomar and Pedro had no reason to be neck and neck with the Yanks. Williams got every ounce out of that club and when a noob was put in his place they caved.

    mbn - The Yanks need to be a more concerned with the Jays then the Sox. You have no 3B and arguably the worst infield defense in the AL. You better hope Shef goes off for 50 bombs and 130 RBIs, because all the unearned runs your team is looking at means the Jays and Orioles will befighting you for first place. Or maybe Giambi who looks like a wussy and hits like a pu$$y might actually contribute. 117 million for a 250 hitter. Nice.

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    Originally posted by PFSIKH@Feb 10 2004, 10:55 AM
    Smizzy - Getting rid of williams was a mistake because Duquette listened to the players and not the coach. That team minus Nomar and Pedro had no reason to be neck and neck with the Yanks. Williams got every ounce out of that club and when a noob was put in his place they caved.

    mbn - The Yanks need to be a more concerned with the Jays then the Sox. You have no 3B and arguably the worst infield defense in the AL. You better hope Shef goes off for 50 bombs and 130 RBIs, because all the unearned runs your team is looking at means the Jays and Orioles will befighting you for first place. Or maybe Giambi who looks like a wussy and hits like a pu$$y might actually contribute. 117 million for a 250 hitter. Nice.
    Last season, there was no contribution from RF. SHeffield will solve that. Also, Giambi and Bernie had their worst seasons. They will both come back. Word out of Tampa is that Bernie is in the best shape of his career, and Giambi has trimmed down 25 pounds (seeing is believing). If this is so, these guys will be primed to have a great season. This will make the Yankees the best offensive machine in baseball in 2004.

    The pen is as solid and deep as anyone's. The closer is the best in the history of the game, and coming off one of his best season's. The starting rotation is younger than last season, and while there is no lefty, the talent level is still quite high.

    Bottom line. The Yanks will be there in the end. Can't say the same for that crew from Beantown.

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    Smizzy you missed one the NFL was formed in 1920, 2 years after 1918.
    BTW: Yankees Suck

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    Originally posted by PFSIKH@Feb 10 2004, 10:55 AM
    Smizzy - Getting rid of williams was a mistake because Duquette listened to the players and not the coach. That team minus Nomar and Pedro had no reason to be neck and neck with the Yanks. Williams got every ounce out of that club and when a noob was put in his place they caved.

    mbn - The Yanks need to be a more concerned with the Jays then the Sox. You have no 3B and arguably the worst infield defense in the AL. You better hope Shef goes off for 50 bombs and 130 RBIs, because all the unearned runs your team is looking at means the Jays and Orioles will befighting you for first place. Or maybe Giambi who looks like a wussy and hits like a pu$$y might actually contribute. 117 million for a 250 hitter. Nice.
    Giambi played on a bum leg all last year. How does that make him a big P? Look at his career numbers. Last year was obviously off. His is healthy now and with him and Sheffield in the middle of the order now you better look out.

    The Yankees drop Karim Garcia and replace him with Sheff. But all anyone can talk about is how they lost Boone. It is funny.

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    When your the King of the Hill.....all the little trolls want a piece....You can have a piece ...a piece of my bell end


    Yankees have won the AL east how many straight years???

    We have how many World Championships???

    You want to be us how bad???

    Do you really believe the Yankees wont fill that 3rd base need???

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    Originally posted by Maxman@Feb 11 2004, 07:01 PM
    Giambi played on a bum leg all last year. How does that make him a big P? Look at his career numbers. Last year was obviously off. His is healthy now and with him and Sheffield in the middle of the order now you better look out.

    The Yankees drop Karim Garcia and replace him with Sheff. But all anyone can talk about is how they lost Boone. It is funny.
    Boone saved your ass. Seriously, who is going to play 3rd? Granted, the reason you traded for him was to get production and he was average at best in NY until game 7. Lamb was even less of a factor with a crappy Texas team. Soriano and Jeter's average D up the middle void at 3rd and What's broke on Gilbert Giambi at first, your team will lead the league in unearned runs. So Giambi's leg kept him from hitting singles?

    You better hope the offense scores a 1000 because that D is looking at giving up 800.

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    ESPN says the Yankee are looking to trade for A.Beltre.....but who knows who we will land...I can guarantee they will get someone.

    1918.

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    Originally posted by PFSIKH+Feb 11 2004, 05:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PFSIKH @ Feb 11 2004, 05:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Maxman@Feb 11 2004, 07:01 PM
    Giambi played on a bum leg all last year. How does that make him a big P? Look at his career numbers. Last year was obviously off. His is healthy now and with him and Sheffield in the middle of the order now you better look out.

    The Yankees drop Karim Garcia and replace him with Sheff. But all anyone can talk about is how they lost Boone. It is funny.
    Boone saved your ass. Seriously, who is going to play 3rd? Granted, the reason you traded for him was to get production and he was average at best in NY until game 7. Lamb was even less of a factor with a crappy Texas team. Soriano and Jeter&#39;s average D up the middle void at 3rd and What&#39;s broke on Gilbert Giambi at first, your team will lead the league in unearned runs. So Giambi&#39;s leg kept him from hitting singles?

    You better hope the offense scores a 1000 because that D is looking at giving up 800. [/b][/quote]
    Boston gave up 80 unearned runs last year. The Yankees gave up 63. Do the facts matter to you at all?

    And somehow losing Boone who made 6 errors in 50 regular season games is going to spell the end for the Yankees. Wow you have reached before but this is a reach of Jet/Blosox proportions. I had no idea you were capable of such a thing.

    As far as Giambi goes he is the worst fielder (by far) of the bunch. His arm is embarassing. But I don&#39;t expect to see him out there much despite what they are saying now. Travis Lee or whoever else they get will fit in nicely.

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    Originally posted by Maxman+Feb 12 2004, 01:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Maxman @ Feb 12 2004, 01:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
    Originally posted by -PFSIKH@Feb 11 2004, 05:25 PM
    <!--QuoteBegin--Maxman
    @Feb 11 2004, 07:01 PM
    Giambi played on a bum leg all last year. How does that make him a big P? Look at his career numbers. Last year was obviously off. His is healthy now and with him and Sheffield in the middle of the order now you better look out.

    The Yankees drop Karim Garcia and replace him with Sheff. But all anyone can talk about is how they lost Boone. It is funny.

    Boone saved your ass. Seriously, who is going to play 3rd? Granted, the reason you traded for him was to get production and he was average at best in NY until game 7. Lamb was even less of a factor with a crappy Texas team. Soriano and Jeter&#39;s average D up the middle void at 3rd and What&#39;s broke on Gilbert Giambi at first, your team will lead the league in unearned runs. So Giambi&#39;s leg kept him from hitting singles?

    You better hope the offense scores a 1000 because that D is looking at giving up 800.
    Boston gave up 80 unearned runs last year. The Yankees gave up 63. Do the facts matter to you at all?

    And somehow losing Boone who made 6 errors in 50 regular season games is going to spell the end for the Yankees. Wow you have reached before but this is a reach of Jet/Blosox proportions. I had no idea you were capable of such a thing.

    As far as Giambi goes he is the worst fielder (by far) of the bunch. His arm is embarassing. But I don&#39;t expect to see him out there much despite what they are saying now. Travis Lee or whoever else they get will fit in nicely. [/b][/quote]
    Yanks will find someone with a glove to play 3rd. Any offense will be a plus. They don&#39;t need production from there. And with an improved &#39;pen, improved offense, comeback years from Giambia and Williams, the only question is whether the Sox can hold off the Jays for 2nd place.

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    Max - That is one reason Todd Walker is no longer in Boston.Between No Arm&#39;s and Walker&#39;s average defense, every ball up the middle was an adventure.

    I will say again, your pitching and defense will sink you.un 500 is too drastic because even this, the least talented Yanks squad of the last decade should be able to beat the Rangers, D-Rays and Tigers 2 of 3.

    mbn
    1. Sox 2. Orioles 3. Yanks 4. Jays 5. D-Rays

    Smizzy - You have nnot been King of the Hill for a few years. You can not even classify the losses as upsets. The better team won each time.

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    Originally posted by PFSIKH@Feb 12 2004, 11:13 AM
    Max - That is one reason Todd Walker is no longer in Boston.Between No Arm&#39;s and Walker&#39;s average defense, every ball up the middle was an adventure.

    I will say again, your pitching and defense will sink you.un 500 is too drastic because even this, the least talented Yanks squad of the last decade should be able to beat the Rangers, D-Rays and Tigers 2 of 3.

    mbn
    1. Sox 2. Orioles 3. Yanks 4. Jays 5. D-Rays

    Smizzy - You have nnot been King of the Hill for a few years. You can not even classify the losses as upsets. The better team won each time.
    So with the changes that the Yankees made how do you see their team ERA being affected? .25 per game?

    Remember even if you say the starters are not as good the pen is much better.

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    Originally posted by PFSIKH@Feb 12 2004, 11:13 AM
    Max - That is one reason Todd Walker is no longer in Boston.Between No Arm&#39;s and Walker&#39;s average defense, every ball up the middle was an adventure.

    I will say again, your pitching and defense will sink you.un 500 is too drastic because even this, the least talented Yanks squad of the last decade should be able to beat the Rangers, D-Rays and Tigers 2 of 3.

    mbn
    1. Sox 2. Orioles 3. Yanks 4. Jays 5. D-Rays

    Smizzy - You have nnot been King of the Hill for a few years. You can not even classify the losses as upsets. The better team won each time.
    Chage #1 & #3, and #2 and #4. Otherwise, anyone reading this thread will know that you have no clue about Baseball. Your predictions, foolish as they are, would play out like this if you picked other divisions. I&#39;ll use the ALCentral as an example.

    1 - White Sox
    2 - Indians
    3 - Royals
    4 - Twins
    5 - Tigers.

    Get the picture. B)

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    Max,

    If you could not decipher my butchering of the English language, the Yanks will not finish under 500. Even this team is better then most of the lower teams. Cleveland, Tigers, etc. IMHO I think the Yanks starting pitching will be their undoing. It might start out great, but it is a long season and relying on that manyt 30+ people (Brown, Moose, Contreras, Lieber) is risky. Ultimately, the bullpen is only as good as the starting pitching. Otherwise they are just pitching out the game.

    mbn - Nice example. Could you have picked a worse one? Didn&#39;t the Royals last year go from worst to almost first? Is it inconceivable that Cleveland make a run in a weak division? No. The Tigers lost 119 games. The Twins did not bring in anybody and lost some key players of a team that trailed most of the year. The Sox and Royals did pretty good in free agency. And as much talent as the Oriloes brought in, they will be a player in the mix. I know one thing, the wildcard will not becoming from the AL East. So sorry Yanks fans.

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    Originally posted by PFSIKH@Feb 12 2004, 02:18 PM
    Max,

    If you could not decipher my butchering of the English language, the Yanks will not finish under 500. Even this team is better then most of the lower teams. Cleveland, Tigers, etc. IMHO I think the Yanks starting pitching will be their undoing. It might start out great, but it is a long season and relying on that manyt 30+ people (Brown, Moose, Contreras, Lieber) is risky. Ultimately, the bullpen is only as good as the starting pitching. Otherwise they are just pitching out the game.
    The Yankees starting 5 is actually slightly younger this year then it was last year. (Don&#39;t doubt me on this one...I did the math).

    The rotation lost Wells who sat out a World Series game. Replaced him with Lieber.

    They lost Clemens who was great but doesn&#39;t have much left. Replaced him with Brown (3 years younger and injury prone).

    They lost Pettite a young proven winner and replaced him with Vasquez (who had great #&#39;s but has to prove that he can do it in NY)

    They lost Weaver (not really a loss) and replaced him with Contrereas (who was huge in the postseason).

    I don&#39;t see the huge dropoff. Obviously injuries may play a factor but the Sox have 2 question marks in Pedro and Schilling (in terms of injuries). In case you didn&#39;t notice at the end of last season Pedro was throwing about 85 MPH. Or was that somehow Grady&#39;s fault as well?

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    Originally posted by Smizzy@Feb 11 2004, 05:19 PM
    When your the King of the Hill.....all the little trolls want a piece....You can have a piece ...a piece of my bell end


    Yankees have won the AL east how many straight years???

    We have how many World Championships???

    You want to be us how bad???

    Do you really believe the Yankees wont fill that 3rd base need???
    ESPN says the Yankee are looking to trade for A.Beltre.....but who knows who we will land...I can guarantee they will get someone.

    1918.
    I told you they would fill that need at 3rd....i guaranteed it :lol:

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