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  1. #41
    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Apr 4 2004, 12:40 PM
    [b] the JETS don't need 2 guards - Brandon Moore was kicking ass last year... they could use 1 guard.

    also RE: D backs i think David Barrett people are REALLY underratting - he's a sleeper with all the tools, the last unknown guy to be signed out of AZ turned out to be Pro Bowler Corey Chavous.

    the BIGGEST need is a REAL Left Tackle to protect Chad's blind side. Between KMac and Fabini the team has 2 right tackles. [/b][/quote]
    Moore is a question mark and the depth behind him is worse. We may or not need two starting guards but we do need two good ones (at least one to start). Let Moore compete for the job instead of just handing it to him.

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    You are completely wrong about Santana, he is a game breaker, and was spectacular last season.

    If Santana were 6'2 you'd all be singing a different tune about him.

    Your being completely inane in saying he's not very good, did you watch that streak he had going in mid season, he was very good. After Chrebet went down, Santana started getting shutdown towards the end of the season because he did not have a reciever that could compliment him, and that is why the JETS traded for McCariens.

    Chad, shut up with the WHAT IFs already, seriously its getting ridiculous, your whole entire arguement is based on fantasy. It is not set in stone that any of these recievers will be great, stop saying that they will be Pro-bowl recievers right off the bat. If you look at it, if Santana had started from day one he would have gone to the pro-bowl.

    Hey what if Mike WIlliams or Reggie Williams turn out to be bust, and Vilma, Hall, and Dunta all are pro-bowlers. See didn't that arguement sound completely moronic. Stop with the what ifs.

    Also, Chad, they have improved that offense, because if you watched most of the season the Offense was really hurting without a 2nd receiving threat to compliment Santana, and they have drastically improved the offense alot more then you think they did by trading for McCariens.

    On offense all they really NEED is some offensive line help, and some good depth at wide receiver which they can get in rounds 4-7.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by JetsD-Mastermind[/i]@Apr 4 2004, 08:59 PM
    [b] If Santana were 6'2 you'd all be singing a different tune about him.

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    Dip****:::

    If he were 6'2" he'd be a legit #1 receiver who you could pound the ball into 10 times a game and not worry about his imminent death.

    If Roy Williams or Mike Williams is sitting there at #12 then DeAngelo "not as good as Terrell Buckley" Hall becomes irrelevant.

    In Hall you'd be drafting a speedy player who MIGHT become a good player DOWN THE ROAD. Right now he's not ready to compete. Thw WR's, at the very least will come in an get you 65 catches and 8 TD's this year. All this s**t you talk about him being an "elite athlete" when Roy Williams has the same 40 time and is 25lbs. heavier and 4 inches taller is ludicrous. Mike Williams will run in the 4.5's but plays at 230 lbs. and is a legit 6'5. You want elite atheles, there you go. You want to draft Hall to be out 4th corner this year?

    If I was starting a track and field team I'd take Hall and Santana Moss. If I was trying to win a Super Bowl I'd draft Roy or Mike Williams

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by TomShane+Apr 4 2004, 09:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (TomShane @ Apr 4 2004, 09:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--JetsD-Mastermind[/i]@Apr 4 2004, 08:59 PM
    [b] If Santana were 6&#39;2 you&#39;d all be singing a different tune about him.

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    Dip****:::

    If he were 6&#39;2" he&#39;d be a legit #1 receiver who you could pound the ball into 10 times a game and not worry about his imminent death.

    If Roy Williams or Mike Williams is sitting there at #12 then DeAngelo "not as good as Terrell Buckley" Hall becomes irrelevant.

    In Hall you&#39;d be drafting a speedy player who MIGHT become a good player DOWN THE ROAD. Right now he&#39;s not ready to compete. Thw WR&#39;s, at the very least will come in an get you 65 catches and 8 TD&#39;s this year. All this s**t you talk about him being an "elite athlete" when Roy Williams has the same 40 time and is 25lbs. heavier and 4 inches taller is ludicrous. Mike Williams will run in the 4.5&#39;s but plays at 230 lbs. and is a legit 6&#39;5. You want elite atheles, there you go. You want to draft Hall to be out 4th corner this year?

    If I was starting a track and field team I&#39;d take Hall and Santana Moss. If I was trying to win a Super Bowl I&#39;d draft Roy or Mike Williams [/b][/quote]
    Tomshane, chill with the name calling and be mature if you want to have a discussion, stop acting like the loser for once.

    Size is overrated, and I don&#39;t mean you can get by with a reciever who&#39;s 5&#39;5, but Moss is 5&#39;10, and is a legit number one reciever.

    Hall is a better football player then you describe him, but your right he is wet behind the ears. But because of the JETS having a defensive cooridnator with Hendersons track record of developing young athletes into very good football players at a fast rate, I think drafting Hall would fit the JETS very well.

    The JETS need more playmakers in that back seven and drafting a linebacker or cornerback in round one will improve this.

    The only players in this draft that available to the JETS can command a starting job are Vilma over Cowart or Vernon Carey over Brent Smith, thats it.

    Reggie Williams and Mike Williams would be nothing more then a 3rd reciever on this team.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by JetsD-Mastermind+Apr 4 2004, 09:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (JetsD-Mastermind @ Apr 4 2004, 09:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by -TomShane@Apr 4 2004, 09:07 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin--JetsD-Mastermind[/i]@Apr 4 2004, 08:59 PM
    [b] If Santana were 6&#39;2 you&#39;d all be singing a different tune about him.

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    Dip****:::

    If he were 6&#39;2" he&#39;d be a legit #1 receiver who you could pound the ball into 10 times a game and not worry about his imminent death.

    If Roy Williams or Mike Williams is sitting there at #12 then DeAngelo "not as good as Terrell Buckley" Hall becomes irrelevant.

    In Hall you&#39;d be drafting a speedy player who MIGHT become a good player DOWN THE ROAD. Right now he&#39;s not ready to compete. Thw WR&#39;s, at the very least will come in an get you 65 catches and 8 TD&#39;s this year. All this s**t you talk about him being an "elite athlete" when Roy Williams has the same 40 time and is 25lbs. heavier and 4 inches taller is ludicrous. Mike Williams will run in the 4.5&#39;s but plays at 230 lbs. and is a legit 6&#39;5. You want elite atheles, there you go. You want to draft Hall to be out 4th corner this year?

    If I was starting a track and field team I&#39;d take Hall and Santana Moss. If I was trying to win a Super Bowl I&#39;d draft Roy or Mike Williams [/b][/quote]
    Tomshane, chill with the name calling and be mature if you want to have a discussion, stop acting like the loser for once.

    Size is overrated, and I don&#39;t mean you can get by with a reciever who&#39;s 5&#39;5, but Moss is 5&#39;10, and is a legit number one reciever.

    Hall is a better football player then you describe him, but your right he is wet behind the ears. But because of the JETS having a defensive cooridnator with Hendersons track record of developing young athletes into very good football players at a fast rate, I think drafting Hall would fit the JETS very well.

    The JETS need more playmakers in that back seven and drafting a linebacker or cornerback in round one will improve this.

    The only players in this draft that available to the JETS can command a starting job are Vilma over Cowart or Vernon Carey over Brent Smith, thats it.

    Reggie Williams and Mike Williams would be nothing more then a 3rd reciever on this team. [/b][/quote]
    1) "Size is over-rated." Good one. Don&#39;t believe your girlfriend ALL the time, homeboy.

    2) If Santana Moss is 5&#39;10&#39; Then Herve Villachesse was a solid 6 feet.

    3) I wouldn&#39;t be pissed if the other guys were off the board and they drafted Hall-- not at all. My point is that you don&#39;t pass up freaks-of-nature like MW and RW for a guy who "might" be a solid CB who is on the smaller side and showed little in college.

    4) The name-calling was in jest. Don&#39;t get the bunchies, G. :lol:

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    Oh I&#39;m sorry, Moss is 5&#39;9 1/2, what was I thinking <_<

    Receiver is not a pressing need, like getting actual playmakers on defense is.

    How in do you know Hall is going to be nothing more a solid corner, the guys main problem in college was going for the big play alot and relying on his elite speed to make up for any mistakes.

    But he is still a much better player then you give him credit for, and he is not considered a first rounder only because he is a great athlete, other wise Kevin Garrett of the Rams would have gone in the first instead of the 5th round in the 2003, and that guy is as good an athlete as Hall.

    Hall has very good instincts, and very good ball skills.

    Hall is a good corner, and could command a starting job in his rookie season.

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    Time will tell, D. Time will tell.

    Since when is Hall a playmaker, btw? Are you referring to the huge plays he gives up? Or the huge plays he WOULD make if he knew how to use that elite speed?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by TomShane[/i]@Apr 4 2004, 09:33 PM
    [b] Time will tell, D. Time will tell.

    Since when is Hall a playmaker, btw? Are you referring to the huge plays he gives up? Or the huge plays he WOULD make if he knew how to use that elite speed? [/b][/quote]
    I saw many V-Tech, games, in some games he was a big playmaker who shut the opposition down. In others, he looked like Aaron Beasely, trying to make every big play he could, then getting frustrated, and making even more stupid plays.

    He was inconsistant, but he is still a good complete corner.

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    OL- If we give Chad protection he&#39;ll make all of our recievers look like all pros
    CB- Lacking the playmaker int he secondary,unless McGraw lives up to his potential,and Barrett shows us something
    S- See CB
    WR- If Chrebet goes down were F&#39;d
    LB- We do have some nice backups,but some more athletic players couldnt hurt
    RB- Once LJ splits outta town we&#39;ll need a future RB, Id like to grab him this year or next so Curtis can groom him,quality RB&#39;s can always be found in the later rounds

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    SIZE IS OVERATED? are you kidding, you had to be joking about that on Jets D&#33; Size is huge (no pun intended) especially in a WR. Terrell Owen and Randy Moss make their living bullying around smaller corner- it shows how much you know trying to even say size is overated. Moss is great but he is not half of Roy/Mike or the money he wants. Want him to run by evry1 - he can. Want him to make the tough reception in the endzone between defenders - there&#39;s no chance in hell. We need Mike or Roy more than any1 will admit they are superstars. TOMSHANE is absolutely right&#33; We&#39;re try to win a super bowl here, not playing a contest of who you want Jets D b/c u think def. is more impt. A GOOD PLAYER IS MORE IMPORTANT&#33; and Mike/Roy and #12 are easily the best players

    i say we dook this out 1 on 1 on 1. me, tom shane, and Jets D (aol?)

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by The Chad[/i]@Apr 4 2004, 10:03 PM
    [b] SIZE IS OVERATED? are you kidding, you had to be joking about that on Jets D&#33; Size is huge (no pun intended) especially in a WR. Terrell Owen and Randy Moss make their living bullying around smaller corner- it shows how much you know trying to even say size is overated. Moss is great but he is not half of Roy/Mike or the money he wants. Want him to run by evry1 - he can. Want him to make the tough reception in the endzone between defenders - there&#39;s no chance in hell. We need Mike or Roy more than any1 will admit they are superstars. TOMSHANE is absolutely right&#33; We&#39;re try to win a super bowl here, not playing a contest of who you want Jets D b/c u think def. is more impt. A GOOD PLAYER IS MORE IMPORTANT&#33; and Mike/Roy and #12 are easily the best players

    i say we dook this out 1 on 1 on 1. me, tom shane, and Jets D (aol?) [/b][/quote]
    FROM PRO FOOTBALL WEEKLY:

    A smashing success

    South Carolina’s Robinson a cornerback who runs like the wind — and doesn’t run from contact

    By Mike Wilkening
    April 3, 2004


    South Carolina CB
    Dunta Robinson

    Generalizations are tricky things and sometimes flat-out wrong, but the one about cornerbacks not liking contact is, well, generally true.

    Then there’s South Carolina’s Dunta Robinson, who genuinely loves to hit people. It figures that he played safety his first two collegiate seasons.

    “When he came onto our field,” former Gamecocks DB coach John Gutekunst recently recalled, “the first thing you noticed was how aggressive he was. He played like a linebacker.”

    He also ran like a wide receiver. It’s this package of aggressiveness and speed that makes Robinson one of the top CB prospects in the NFL draft. The 5-foot-10 5/8, 186-pound Robinson — who ran a 4.34 40-yard dash at February’s NFL Scouting Combine — is a strong candidate to be selected in the first half of the first round. [b]In his latest mock draft, PFW draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki has the Jets taking Robinson with the No. 12 pick.[/b]
    Robinson became a cornerback only after collegiate teammates Sheldon Brown, André Goodman and Kevin House moved on to the NFL after the 2001 season. But before they left, Brown and Goodman made a suggestion to Gutekunst: Try Robinson, then a rover in a 3-3-5 defensive scheme, at cornerback.

    “So I’ve got to thank them guys,” Robinson said, “because without them going to talk to him, I probably still would have been playing safety.”

    Safety had been Robinson’s position since high school, where he was a standout at Clarke Central in Athens, Ga., home of the University of Georgia. But encouraged by his parents to leave home to attend college, Robinson picked South Carolina.

    In 2000 and ‘01, Robinson was a part-time player at safety. But then came the position change, perhaps spurred on by the intuition of Brown, now a starter for the Eagles, and Goodman, now with the Lions. Gutekunst had a hunch, too, and shared it with head coach Lou Holtz.

    “I remember Coach Holtz asking who I thought could be a corner, and I said, ‘Dunta Robinson,’ ” said Gutekunst, now the co-defensive coordinator at North Carolina. “I just liked his hips, his speed and his aggressiveness. Obviously it was a good guess.”

    Robinson immediately took to his new position, garnering Most Outstanding Defensive Back honors in spring ball.

    He earned confidence as the ’02 season went on, with a solid performance vs. highly regarded Georgia WR Fred Gibson in the third game of particular importance to his development.

    “And that’s when I realized, ‘Hey, I could play this position,’ ” Robinson said. “That’s how I really learned I could play the CB spot and was not just an average corner.”

    Robinson started 12 games in ’02, leading the team with 10 passes broken up and intercepting four passes. But along the way he had developed a propensity to take a few too many chances, something he vowed to correct.

    “As a junior, I was trying to get recognition, so I was trying to make all of the plays instead of just letting it happen,” Robinson said. “So I think that was the biggest thing I had to do, realize that I’ve got teammates that can make plays too, (so I) don’t have to do everything. That was the thing I had to really control from my junior year to my senior year.”

    In his final season, Robinson earned team MVP honors for the Gamecocks, registering 50 tackles and one interception. He also had earned the attention of NFL scouts.

    They had to be pleased with what they saw at the Combine, when Robinson turned heads with his performance in the 40-yard dash. His 4.34 40 was the second fastest among cornerbacks, while his 3.75 mark in the 20-yard shuttle was the best among his position group.

    While other cornerbacks — notably USC’s Will Poole — declined to work out in Indianapolis, Robinson relished the chance at showing off his speed.

    That Robinson decided to work out earned respect from Panthers director of college scouting Tony Softli, who said Robinson’s speed wasn’t surprising “because you can see it on film."

    “I felt that whether it was in Indianapolis or in Columbia, S.C., I was going to run fast regardless,” Robinson said. “I heard a lot of people say it was a slow surface, but I feel that if you can run, you can run, no matter where you run. A lot of guys didn’t run at the Combine and ran at their pro days and still didn’t run fast.”

    Robinson, Virginia Tech’s DeAngelo Hall and Ohio State’s Chris Gamble are acknowledged to be the top three cornerbacks in the draft. Hall will gain favor with teams looking for a return specialist and a cornerback, while the 6-foot-1 1/4 Gamble’s size makes him intriguing.

    The knocks on Robinson are his propensity to gamble and his lack of size. Gutekunst believes Robinson can pack 190 pounds on his frame and still be effective.

    But odds are Robinson will hear his name called relatively early in the first round, with the “solid football instincts” that Softli likes and the speed that “shrinks the field,” as Gutekunst calls it.

    It also helps that he doesn’t shrink from contact.

    “I don’t think you’ll find a corner that’s as good a tackler as me,” Robinson said. “I like to come up and hit. In college football, you don’t see a lot of corners that like to come up and force the run and make big hits. Besides covering, you have to be able to hit, and a lot of corners don’t do that. I don’t see a lot of corners that do that. I think I’m a complete player.”

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    where in that article do you show me that he is a better overall player than Mike or Roy?

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    We need fresh OL Players to give time to get plays executed.
    We need WRs who can get open.

    We need a TE which I am against drafting anywhere in the first three rounds, because Lord knows, we have our fair share of First Round TE disasters.

    We need LBs who can move fast.
    We need CBs to cover.

    We need a prayer to get this all done.

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    Yea, yea, yea, so Dunta TALKS a good game about hits, so what. He is still not the best choice at #12 and never will be.

    Pass up a Stud like Williams/Williams/Winslow if you choose. But we&#39;ll AGAIN be saying "Why the hell did we take Toon instead of Rice?"

    "Why did we take O&#39;Brian over Marino"

    And so on and so on and son on..........years and years of picking for our supposed needs, and based on friggin workouts and bench presses and 40 times, instead of who just strait up kicked ass on the field. And we always got what we deserved.

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    Jets D makes some good points, but I still have to disagree with him because I say our D IS SUBSTANTIALLY better with these changes:

    --Hobson in for Lewis (upgrade, sorry Mo)
    --Cowert (MLB version) in for Jones (likely an Upgrade, time will tell if going back to MLB will "fix" Cowert)
    --Barton for Cowert (OLB version) (Very much an upgrade)
    --Barrett in for Beasley (Huge upgrade, Beasley is the worst)
    --Tongue in for Garnes (another Big upgrade)
    --J.Abe healthy (we&#39;ll see how long) and playing some LB (which should keep him healthy)
    --B.Thomas with more playing time and experience under his belt.
    --Ellis KNOWING he is a stud, instead of wondering if he could be.
    --D.Rob after a year of hard fought experience
    --Evans from Day 1, instead of Game 8 (or whenever his return was)

    THAT is alot of improvement in my book. A heck of alot actually. Even if Barrett is just your usual NFL Starting CB, it&#39;s an upgrade. Barton IS a definitive upgrade.

    Point is, the D has gotton TONS of overhaul and upgrades (IMO). People talk ****e about Barrett and Barton cause they never sam um play. I have, and both are SOLID. They will Start for us (IMO) and produce.

    So if a SuperStud WR (or TE) is there at #12, we HAVE to take him, sorry, because NO D-Player (other than perhaps Hall or Wilfork) is worth it at that point.

    Now don&#39;t get me wrong, other than ONE O-Guard somewhere between Rounds #3 and Round #5, my picks would be ALL for defensive players and depth. I just can&#39;t pass on a potential SuperStud just to fill a need with a guy most people think will be good, but not steller.

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    [u][b]The Warfish Plan (if a top WR/TE is there at #12):[/b][/u]

    [u]Round #1[/u] Mike Willimas WR
    [u]Round #3[/u] Best Available CB or LB
    [u]Round #4[/u] Best Available LB or CB (opposite Round #3)
    [u]Round #5[/u] Best Available O-Line (Guard)
    [u]Round #6[/u] Best Available Safety
    [u]Round #7[/u] Best Available CB or LB
    [u]Round #7[/u] BAP (O-Line)
    [u]Round #7[/u] BAP (O-line or TE/RB)
    [u]Round #7[/u] BAP (DT/RB/TE)

    [u][b]The Warfish Plan (if all are gone by #12):[/b][/u]

    [u]Round #1[/u] (#12) Trade down to #25-30 for a 2nd Rounder. Give away our own (tradeable) 7th if that is required (I will assume it is here)
    [u]Round #1[/u] (~#25) Best Available Player, most likely on D:

    Perhaps Dunta/Hall/Gamble if any of them fall or Ware (UCLA CB) if they don&#39;t....or Vilma/DJ Williams if THEY fall or P.Boulware (if they don&#39;t fall) or even Randy Starks DT Maryland (Stud IMO, saw him a few times) or finally, on O, perhaps WR Rashaun Woods or Clayton.

    [u]Round #2[/u] (#??) Beast available CB or LB (depending on 1st Rounder, and hopefuly Boulware LB if we got a CB in Round #1)
    [u]Round #3[/u] Best Available O-Guard/Safety
    [u]Round #4[/u] Best Available Safety/O-Guard (opposit Round #3)
    [u]Round #4[/u] Best Available WR (if we took WR Woods in Round #1, then Best Available CB/LB/DT/O-line)
    [u]Round #5[/u] Best Available TE
    [u]Round #6[/u] Best Available RB/O-line/CB/LB
    [u]Round #7[/u] (sup) BAP
    [u]Round #7[/u] (sup) BAP
    [u]Round #7[/u] (sup) BAP

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    Perfect "Trade Down" Top 3 Rounds for Us:

    Round #1 Ware, CB, UCLA
    Round #2 Boulware, LB, Florida State
    Round #3 Snee, OG, Bostom College

    I won&#39;t Complain if we get these three (VERY realistic) picks.

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    warfish you are my new hero&#33; the best analysis i have seen all - year and if any fo you can argue with that you&#39;re just crazy

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    I like option #2

    But rather than going defense....I think we may be able to grab Vernon Carey.

    The 2nd round would/should be used for LB/CB depth
    ie Boulware, Carroll, Cocolough, Smith, Jones (s)

    3rd grab a WR

    Earnest Wilford, Hamilton, Berrian, Darling


    That is using the draft to our advantage....this years DEEP draft &#33;&#33;

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by LakeGeorgeJet[/i]@Apr 3 2004, 06:34 PM
    [b]Secondary and O-line. I am surprised how little attention has been paid to the o-line this offseason. If you can&#39;t block, you can&#39;t do much.[/b][/quote]
    AMEN &#33; IF YOU CAN&#39;T TACKLE, YOU WON&#39;T WIN EITHER, I&#39;D LIKE TO SEE A LINEBACKER WITH THAT # 4 COMPENSATORY PICK&#33;

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    Here&#39;s my NEW preferences in light of the idea that Mike Williams may drop::

    1) Mike Williams
    2) Roy Williams
    3) Vernon Carey




    btw, all you guys screaming for a corner...Do you think we&#39;re ever going to pick up a Third and One EVER this year with our current O-Line?

  19. #59
    [quote][i]Originally posted by The Chad[/i]@Apr 4 2004, 10:28 PM
    [b] where in that article do you show me that he is a better overall player than Mike or Roy? [/b][/quote]
    ROY? He&#39;ll be gone at 3.
    You were talking REGGIE (you know the one on your Avatar)

    RECENT MOCK DRAFTS:

    PRO FOOTBALL WEEKLY -

    #11 - Robinson
    #13 - R. Williams
    #16 - M.Williams

    Kiper -

    #10 - Robinson
    #12 - M.Williams
    #16 - R. Williams

    Scouts, Inc.

    #8 - M.Williams
    #12 - Robinson
    #15 - R. Williams


    Robinson is rated ahead of R. Williams in all 3 and ahead of M. Williams in 2 of the 3.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by HBJet+Apr 5 2004, 08:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (HBJet @ Apr 5 2004, 08:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--The Chad[/i]@Apr 4 2004, 10:28 PM
    [b] where in that article do you show me that he is a better overall player than Mike or Roy? [/b][/quote]
    RECENT MOCK DRAFTS:

    PRO FOOTBALL WEEKLY -

    #11 - Robinson
    #13 - R. Williams
    #16 - M.Williams

    Kiper -

    #10 - Robinson
    #12 - M.Williams
    #16 - R. Williams

    Scouts, Inc.

    #8 - M.Williams
    #12 - Robinson
    #15 - R. Williams


    Robinson is rated ahead of R. Williams in all 3 and ahead of M. Williams in 2 of the 3. [/b][/quote]
    You cannot use suppositions to support assertions....lol&#33;


    Mike and Roy, I will bet anybody, are gone in the top ten.

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