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    [quote][i]Originally posted by pope[/i]@Apr 4 2004, 08:29 PM
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    He reminds me a lot of the guy who left us at the altar (Winfield). [/b][/quote]
    yeah me too - overrated CB who is decent but not smothering in coverage who loves to hit but his hands are for crap.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by The Chad[/i]@Apr 4 2004, 10:14 PM
    [b] i wouldn't mind Dunta - but not at 12 [/b][/quote]
    FROM PRO FOOTBALL WEEKLY:

    A smashing success

    South Carolina’s Robinson a cornerback who runs like the wind — and doesn’t run from contact

    By Mike Wilkening
    April 3, 2004


    South Carolina CB
    Dunta Robinson

    Generalizations are tricky things and sometimes flat-out wrong, but the one about cornerbacks not liking contact is, well, generally true.

    Then there’s South Carolina’s Dunta Robinson, who genuinely loves to hit people. It figures that he played safety his first two collegiate seasons.

    “When he came onto our field,” former Gamecocks DB coach John Gutekunst recently recalled, “the first thing you noticed was how aggressive he was. He played like a linebacker.”

    He also ran like a wide receiver. It’s this package of aggressiveness and speed that makes Robinson one of the top CB prospects in the NFL draft. The 5-foot-10 5/8, 186-pound Robinson — who ran a 4.34 40-yard dash at February’s NFL Scouting Combine — is a strong candidate to be selected in the first half of the first round. [b]In his latest mock draft, PFW draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki has the Jets taking Robinson with the No. 12 pick.[/b]
    Robinson became a cornerback only after collegiate teammates Sheldon Brown, André Goodman and Kevin House moved on to the NFL after the 2001 season. But before they left, Brown and Goodman made a suggestion to Gutekunst: Try Robinson, then a rover in a 3-3-5 defensive scheme, at cornerback.

    “So I’ve got to thank them guys,” Robinson said, “because without them going to talk to him, I probably still would have been playing safety.”

    Safety had been Robinson’s position since high school, where he was a standout at Clarke Central in Athens, Ga., home of the University of Georgia. But encouraged by his parents to leave home to attend college, Robinson picked South Carolina.

    In 2000 and ‘01, Robinson was a part-time player at safety. But then came the position change, perhaps spurred on by the intuition of Brown, now a starter for the Eagles, and Goodman, now with the Lions. Gutekunst had a hunch, too, and shared it with head coach Lou Holtz.

    “I remember Coach Holtz asking who I thought could be a corner, and I said, ‘Dunta Robinson,’ ” said Gutekunst, now the co-defensive coordinator at North Carolina. “I just liked his hips, his speed and his aggressiveness. Obviously it was a good guess.”

    Robinson immediately took to his new position, garnering Most Outstanding Defensive Back honors in spring ball.

    He earned confidence as the ’02 season went on, with a solid performance vs. highly regarded Georgia WR Fred Gibson in the third game of particular importance to his development.

    “And that’s when I realized, ‘Hey, I could play this position,’ ” Robinson said. “That’s how I really learned I could play the CB spot and was not just an average corner.”

    Robinson started 12 games in ’02, leading the team with 10 passes broken up and intercepting four passes. But along the way he had developed a propensity to take a few too many chances, something he vowed to correct.

    “As a junior, I was trying to get recognition, so I was trying to make all of the plays instead of just letting it happen,” Robinson said. “So I think that was the biggest thing I had to do, realize that I’ve got teammates that can make plays too, (so I) don’t have to do everything. That was the thing I had to really control from my junior year to my senior year.”

    In his final season, Robinson earned team MVP honors for the Gamecocks, registering 50 tackles and one interception. He also had earned the attention of NFL scouts.

    They had to be pleased with what they saw at the Combine, when Robinson turned heads with his performance in the 40-yard dash. His 4.34 40 was the second fastest among cornerbacks, while his 3.75 mark in the 20-yard shuttle was the best among his position group.

    While other cornerbacks — notably USC’s Will Poole — declined to work out in Indianapolis, Robinson relished the chance at showing off his speed.

    That Robinson decided to work out earned respect from Panthers director of college scouting Tony Softli, who said Robinson’s speed wasn’t surprising “because you can see it on film."

    “I felt that whether it was in Indianapolis or in Columbia, S.C., I was going to run fast regardless,” Robinson said. “I heard a lot of people say it was a slow surface, but I feel that if you can run, you can run, no matter where you run. A lot of guys didn’t run at the Combine and ran at their pro days and still didn’t run fast.”

    Robinson, Virginia Tech’s DeAngelo Hall and Ohio State’s Chris Gamble are acknowledged to be the top three cornerbacks in the draft. Hall will gain favor with teams looking for a return specialist and a cornerback, while the 6-foot-1 1/4 Gamble’s size makes him intriguing.

    The knocks on Robinson are his propensity to gamble and his lack of size. Gutekunst believes Robinson can pack 190 pounds on his frame and still be effective.

    But odds are Robinson will hear his name called relatively early in the first round, with the “solid football instincts” that Softli likes and the speed that “shrinks the field,” as Gutekunst calls it.

    It also helps that he doesn’t shrink from contact.

    “I don’t think you’ll find a corner that’s as good a tackler as me,” Robinson said. “I like to come up and hit. In college football, you don’t see a lot of corners that like to come up and force the run and make big hits. Besides covering, you have to be able to hit, and a lot of corners don’t do that. I don’t see a lot of corners that do that. I think I’m a complete player.”

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    Dunta Robinson is in my opinion leaps and bounds ahead of Deangelo Hall. Hall is the flashy player that scouts and ESPN love to over hype.

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    :ph34r: all of you are experts saying that Dunta is overated...the kid looks solid to me and to the NFL scouts.....I have seen the kid play and he's the real deal....he is a number one pick....I however would like the Jets to go wuth Deangelo Hall at #12......I just don't get it where some if you are saying he's overrated....people say a player is overrated and yet they never seen the kid play.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by jetsfreak[/i]@Apr 5 2004, 12:03 AM
    [b] :ph34r: all of you are experts saying that Dunta is overated...the kid looks solid to me and to the NFL scouts.....I have seen the kid play and he's the real deal....he is a number one pick....I however would like the Jets to go wuth Deangelo Hall at #12......I just don't get it where some if you are saying he's overrated....people say a player is overrated and yet they never seen the kid play. [/b][/quote]
    The same people who are calling Robinson, Hall & Gamble busts before they even step on the field are probably the same folks who screamed "Who" when we drafted J.abe and cried last year when we selected Hobson.

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    :ph34r: u are exactly right....I went to UF and I saw Jonhnny Abe at USC...when we drafted him people were going nuts....I know he has injury isues but the kid can play. I want Hall and I would take Gamble if we don't get hall...If we got robinson, I could live with it....I do see us getting Hall though...I look at the needs of the teams in front of us.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Warfish[/i]@Apr 4 2004, 11:52 PM
    [b] [quote][b]How is Dunta overrated? What have you seen or read to justify this opinion? [/b][/quote]

    At the end of the College Season, Dunta was off the map, a player considered (by those who know WAY more about College Football than I do) as a late 2nd Rounder, perhaps a third rounder if he fell. He was NOT, at that time, considered equal to Hall or the other top CB's.

    I simply do not trust "Workout Wonders" who improve their status from being a potential #60 pick to a supposed top 10 or top 20 talent. How much they lift or how fast the sprint a 40 is meaningless IMO, and used WAY too much to justify drafting people who didn't play well in college. Seems all NFL GM's want to prove how smart they are by drafting someone who played sub-top level in college but sure did run a fast 40, or did 30 reps, or some such other thing while wearing shorts in the offseason.

    Again, I think my point is this: We have the potential to get an offensive Gamebreaker, a potential Top 5 NFL talent on O, and I do not think our O is nearly good enough for us to skip that opportunity just to get a #4 CB (which Dunta would be, at leats in 2004 and likely in 2005, too). Mike and Roy Williams or Winslow are Gamebreakers and Gamechangers, players that D-Co's had to PLAN to stop. That is a weapon we must have (and we don't right now, regardless of what the Moss fans thank).

    Why pay Penny so much if you're not going to give him the weapons he needs? Moss and McCareins are both solid, but Roy or Mike Williams could be spectacular. Becht is sub-par. Kellen Winslow Jr IS a huge upgrade and an immediate threat that NFL D-Co's HAVE to account for, especilly in a West Coast offense.

    If Williams/Willimas/Winslow/Hall (and maybe Wilfork) ARE gone by #12, then Trade down to get picks (one of which could be Dunta if he falls, no problem at #25 or #30, even if I still think he is a #50-#70 talent who will, at BEST become just another NFL Starter CB, nothing great or spectacular) [/b][/quote]
    So according to your reasoning, whatever a player is ranked at the end of the season mean that is what where he should be picked in the draft. The good workouts Robinson had mean nothing. And to further my point, Robinson was moving up the charts before the combines. The combines helped justify his status as a top corner. Draft people did have him high, but because he didnt play for top 10 schools like Hall and Gamble, nobody cared about what he did.

    But say the Jet use that same reasoning that because he wasnt ranked high after the season but had good workouts, his status shouldnt go up. How come Roy Williams is an acceptable pick this high? Williams was rumored to possibly be out of the top 15 after this season. So because of that, he shouldnt be picked at #12. Despite his great workouts, he isnt a top 15 pick because of his status as soon as the season ended.

    Now you say Hall is better...Why? Did you watch every South Carolina game or Virginia Tech game? I am not saying I have, but many of those scouts you mentioned have gotten around to it at this point and are really giving Robinson a good name. Again, this has nothing to do with workouts. As soon as the season ends, many scouts are just organizing info. You have to wait a few months until they watch tape to really understand what they mean. According to those scouts, Robinson could be the best CB. So if he is the best CB...why wouldnt you pick him at 12? Because some "experts" said he was a 2nd rounder despite not watching full tape of him?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti+Apr 5 2004, 02:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (bitonti @ Apr 5 2004, 02:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--pope[/i]@Apr 4 2004, 08:29 PM
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    He reminds me a lot of the guy who left us at the altar (Winfield). [/b][/quote]
    yeah me too - overrated CB who is decent but not smothering in coverage who loves to hit but his hands are for crap. [/b][/quote]
    But none of the corners are going to be perfect in regards to being a blanket coverer with great hands. These corners are not a great crop, but Robinson IMO has the potential to be the best shut down corner. Even though I would love for him to have great hands, if he covers very well, I could give two sh*ts

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    dunta played safety throughout most of college. he will pan out and be a good pro. just give him 1-2 years to develope and study the game.

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