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    I got to watch her testimony today live and I found one upsettingly disturbing trend. This whole thing has been turned into a political forum. All the of the democrat questioners wanted to brand Bush for being at fault for 9-11, and all of the republicans treated her with kid gloves for the most part and defer blame to the Clinton years. This honestly really pisses me off because it seems that both sides want to just point blame at the other party and hang them rather than find out why this happened and take the proper steps to move forward.

    The fact is preparations should have been made years ago, and all along the way. During both democrat AND republican terms going back for 3 decades now. The FBI and CIA should have been sharing info and working together to take preventative measures. Government should have forced that LONG ago. To think that the Bush admin could have made sweeping changes to our homeland defense in a matter of 200 days based on vague intel stating that an attack will take place sometime, somewhere, using something-maybe airplanes, is a bit naive to say the least. Yes preventative measures could have taken place by the Bush admin, especially if the info was more detailed. But it likely would not have stopped what happened on that day.

    The bottom line as I said is this situation transcends political parties. It goes back to Carter, through Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II. They all had a chance, some more than others, to address the situation immediately and take preventative measures. They didn't and we paid for it.

    This whole 9-11 panel is a joke. It's agenda is not to find a solution to the problem, but rather to create a forum for political parties to campaign over. It's sickening.

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    This was nothing more than a Republican re-election campaign commercial. Pure bull****.

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    Agreed 100%. Great post.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by TomShane[/i]@Apr 8 2004, 12:20 PM
    [b] This was nothing more than a Republican re-election campaign commercial. Pure bull****. [/b][/quote]
    Tom it went both ways. The Democratic members of that panel did nothing more than to try to corner her into a position that blames Bush. The whole thing is disgusting and leaves me really disappointed with my government at the moment.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Boozer76+Apr 8 2004, 12:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Boozer76 @ Apr 8 2004, 12:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--TomShane[/i]@Apr 8 2004, 12:20 PM
    [b] This was nothing more than a Republican re-election campaign commercial. Pure bull****. [/b][/quote]
    Tom it went both ways. The Democratic members of that panel did nothing more than to try to corner her into a position that blames Bush. The whole thing is disgusting and leaves me really disappointed with my government at the moment. [/b][/quote]
    I agree, sorry for the partisan lean. Sometimes I want to fire everyone in Washington and start all over again.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by TomShane[/i]@Apr 8 2004, 12:20 PM
    [b] This was nothing more than a Republican re-election campaign commercial. Pure bull****. [/b][/quote]
    And the best part about it is that the Democrats demanded it&#33;&#33;

    Term limits should be the law.

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    I agree with Boozer...it&#39;s not a commission to find out what went wrong it is basically a kangaroo court.

    What&#39;s worse is the applause from the audience followed by the breakdown afterwards from politicians....I watched Jay Rockerfeller afterwards on CNN and he was pathetic in his biased dribble; he was so bad Wolf Blitzer had to correct him in defense of Dr. Rice.

    They then had Trent Lott on (not one of my foavorites) and he just dribbled.

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    [quote][b]Tom it went both ways. The Democratic members of that panel did nothing more than to try to corner her into a position that blames Bush. The whole thing is disgusting and leaves me really disappointed with my government at the moment. [/b][/quote]

    [quote][b]I agree, sorry for the partisan lean. Sometimes I want to fire everyone in Washington and start all over again.[/b][/quote]

    You are all un-american. Maybe you should move to France.
    (I&#39;m sorry that is the typical resonse I get everytime I saw our government is f&#39;d)

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    Hell I should have known that this was what it was all about. All the news channels were saying this could make or break Bush&#39;s campaign and serve to possibly help or harm kerry&#39;s campaign. How silly of me to actually think that the democrats and republicans could actually work together to find a way to better protect me and my family. No, let&#39;s just play the finger pointing game. I guess even politicians want to pretend they&#39;re in kindergarden nowadays.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 8 2004, 12:46 PM
    [b] (I&#39;m sorry that is the typical resonse I get everytime I saw our government is f&#39;d) [/b][/quote]
    poor baby.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 8 2004, 12:46 PM
    [b] [quote][b]Tom it went both ways. The Democratic members of that panel did nothing more than to try to corner her into a position that blames Bush. The whole thing is disgusting and leaves me really disappointed with my government at the moment. [/b][/quote]

    [quote][b]I agree, sorry for the partisan lean. Sometimes I want to fire everyone in Washington and start all over again.[/b][/quote]

    You are all un-american. Maybe you should move to France.
    (I&#39;m sorry that is the typical resonse I get everytime I saw our government is f&#39;d) [/b][/quote]
    The difference is you mostly try to blame the republicans for everything while you pander to Kerry. You really don&#39;t think Kerry watched that and grinned everytime a democratic representative like Ben-Veniste tried to lay blame solely on the Bush party? Please.

    The fact is this panel was assembled to look for ways we could have prevented 9-11 and make proposals to help us prevent it from ever happening again. No one on that panel has that interest in mind, and it was painfully clear. It&#39;s not as if they even try to hide it. I&#39;m sorry, but the more I type about this, the more pissed off I get because I realize that nothing will come of this ridiculous panel except firepower for both parties to fling s**t at each other. Meanwhile while we all get caught up in it and become divided over the situation as dems and reps, the terrorist network will continue to unify while planning their next attack on us. But not to worry, our government will just use that event as another political forum to beat their chests and say all is well.

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    Kerry is brain-dead. All Bush will have to do is keep his own moronic trap shut and let Kerry consistently put his own foot in his mouth to win the election.

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    [quote][b]The difference is you mostly try to blame the republicans for everything while you pander to Kerry. You really don&#39;t think Kerry watched that and grinned everytime a democratic representative like Ben-Veniste tried to lay blame solely on the Bush party? Please.
    [/b][/quote]

    I do blame the Bush administration a lot. But I am by no means a Kerry supporter. I think the whole system is completly F&#39;d. I&#39;m not saying democracy is evil, but when it gets to this point where the public hardly pays any attention to the politicians and when money drives nearly all political decisions, something has to give. I will vote for Kerry, not because I am enamored with him, but because in this system it is my only choice.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 8 2004, 01:18 PM
    [b] [quote][b]The difference is you mostly try to blame the republicans for everything while you pander to Kerry. You really don&#39;t think Kerry watched that and grinned everytime a democratic representative like Ben-Veniste tried to lay blame solely on the Bush party? Please.
    [/b][/quote]

    I do blame the Bush administration a lot. But I am by no means a Kerry supporter. I think the whole system is completly F&#39;d. I&#39;m not saying democracy is evil, but when it gets to this point where the public hardly pays any attention to the politicians and when money drives nearly all political decisions, something has to give. I will vote for Kerry, not because I am enamored with him, but because in this system it is my only choice. [/b][/quote]
    I&#39;m sorry Section I was thinking of retracting that line after I typed it. I didn&#39;t want this to be a political stand and I&#39;m sorry for making it such for you.

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    What a totally demoralizing morning for the Democratic Party. Everything they hurled at Rice this morning was thrown right back in thier faces. Rice correctly pointed out that everything this commision has been hinting at what should have been done pre Sept. 11 is exactly the same doctrine that the Bush administartion has followed in its handling of Iraq. Yet, daily the Democratic Party questions rather we have done the right thing. It has become plainly clear to mainstream America thet the Democratic Party has aligned itself with the terrorists in this war. They gleefully gloat at every setback in the war on terror and quiver in fear for every victory. November 2004 will be a time of reckonning for every liberal in this country.

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    [quote][b]What a totally demoralizing morning for the Democratic Party. Everything they hurled at Rice this morning was thrown right back in thier faces. Rice correctly pointed out that everything this commision has been hinting at what should have been done pre Sept. 11 is exactly the same doctrine that the Bush administartion has followed in its handling of Iraq. Yet, daily the Democratic Party questions rather we have done the right thing. It has become plainly clear to mainstream America thet the Democratic Party has aligned itself with the terrorists in this war. They gleefully gloat at every setback in the war on terror and quiver in fear for every victory. November 2004 will be a time of reckonning for every liberal in this country. [/b][/quote]

    Very intelligent response. :rolleyes:

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 8 2004, 01:29 PM
    [b] [quote][b]What a totally demoralizing morning for the Democratic Party. Everything they hurled at Rice this morning was thrown right back in thier faces. Rice correctly pointed out that everything this commision has been hinting at what should have been done pre Sept. 11 is exactly the same doctrine that the Bush administartion has followed in its handling of Iraq. Yet, daily the Democratic Party questions rather we have done the right thing. It has become plainly clear to mainstream America thet the Democratic Party has aligned itself with the terrorists in this war. They gleefully gloat at every setback in the war on terror and quiver in fear for every victory. November 2004 will be a time of reckonning for every liberal in this country. [/b][/quote]

    Very intelligent response. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
    Believe it or not, I actually agree with your response (including the sarcasm implied)

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    its the lesser of two evils in this country - it makes me laugh that GOP&#39;s think their party is so much better then the DEMS and vice-versa - with some small differences they are basically the same party folks - except now the Reps are the spendthrifts and the panderers to illegal immigrants instead of the DEMS -

    face the facts we have running for president two Yale grad Billionares who are both part of 800 living member Skull and Bones society -

    seriously there&#39;s almost no difference anymore. They all suck.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Apr 8 2004, 02:10 PM
    [b] its the lesser of two evils in this country - it makes me laugh that GOP&#39;s think their party is so much better then the DEMS and vice-versa - with some small differences they are basically the same party folks - except now the Reps are the spendthrifts and the panderers to illegal immigrants instead of the DEMS -

    face the facts we have running for president two Yale grad Billionares who are both part of 800 living member Skull and Bones society -

    seriously there&#39;s almost no difference anymore. They all suck. [/b][/quote]
    Bit,
    I actually agree with this post.

    We just disagree on what the lesser of two evils is.

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    We are now to believe that:

    a guy that just wrote a book for profit,
    a disgruntled underling that resigned because he didn&#39;t get the position he wanted,
    the guy who had the power to do something against terrorists for 8 years,
    a guy whose own public speeches and comments didn&#39;t mention AQ once in those 8 years,
    a guy that voted for the opponent of his recent boss by his own admission ...

    ...is telling the truth, but Condi is lying.

    I hate to spoil the tone of moderation in the thread, but I must.

    In the war against raising my taxes, fanatic muslims, communist dictators and spineless socialist leaders, there&#39;s only one choice for me -- GWB.

    When you vote, you always vote for the choice closest to your ideals. I&#39;ve yet to find a politician that agrees with me 100% of the time {insert clever liberal Hitler joke here}. Even if I were president, I probably couldn&#39;t do 70% of what I wanted.

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