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    What ever happened to the JFK's and FDR's. Fourty years ago the Democratic party was a viable and possibly preferable alternative to the Republicans. So what's changed? Just look at the current crop of leadership in the Democratic party. Daschle, Pelosi, Hillary, Kerry, Kennedy. What do they all have in common? They are all far left politicians. They've taken the party way over th the Left on all major issues. In general I think the Democrats need to wake up and get in line with the majority of this country. They should pay more attention to people like Zel Miller and Joe Lieberman who are the voices of moderation in thier party.
    At the same time the Republicans have been gradually moving towards the center. Believe it or not, GWB isn't the right wing wacko that the libs make him out to be. The guy brought us prescription drug benefits and has been a relatively big spender in most areas. His cabinet includer the most powerfull black woman in the world today in Condi Rice and his nominations for Judgeships have included an unprecedented number of minorities. Who by the way have al been fillibustered by the Dem's.

    I think the Democrats today are small minded politicians who cater to the give me crowd. They appeal to the lowest common denomination of people who are looking for handouts from the Government. They promise higher taxes for the rich (middle class by my book) and bigger handouts to the lower classes. That must seem very enticing to groups looking for handouts. At the same time they talk about higher gasoline alcohol and cigerette taxes. All of those impose a much heavier burden on lower and middle income families as a percentage of thier income.

    I think the Dems need to wise up and change their leadership.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by chiefst2000[/i]@Apr 12 2004, 02:02 PM
    [b] What ever happened to the JFK's and FDR's. Fourty years ago the Democratic party was a viable and possibly preferable alternative to the Republicans. So what's changed? Just look at the current crop of leadership in the Democratic party. Daschle, Pelosi, Hillary, Kerry, Kennedy. What do they all have in common? They are all far left politicians. They've taken the party way over th the Left on all major issues. In general I think the Democrats need to wake up and get in line with the majority of this country. They should pay more attention to people like Zel Miller and Joe Lieberman who are the voices of moderation in thier party.
    At the same time the Republicans have been gradually moving towards the center. Believe it or not, GWB isn't the right wing wacko that the libs make him out to be. The guy brought us prescription drug benefits and has been a relatively big spender in most areas. His cabinet includer the most powerfull black woman in the world today in Condi Rice and his nominations for Judgeships have included an unprecedented number of minorities. Who by the way have al been fillibustered by the Dem's.

    I think the Democrats today are small minded politicians who cater to the give me crowd. They appeal to the lowest common denomination of people who are looking for handouts from the Government. They promise higher taxes for the rich (middle class by my book) and bigger handouts to the lower classes. That must seem very enticing to groups looking for handouts. At the same time they talk about higher gasoline alcohol and cigerette taxes. All of those impose a much heavier burden on lower and middle income families as a percentage of thier income.

    I think the Dems need to wise up and change their leadership. [/b][/quote]
    FDR was a far left politician. Very far left.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by James Hasty[/i]@Apr 12 2004, 03:01 PM
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    FDR was a far left politician. Very far left. [/b][/quote]
    Not as much as you would think. His ideas for social reform aka the new deal were very progressive for the time. The biggest knock on him, and deservedly so, was that he waited far too long to get involved in WW2. I'm not a fan of his but compared to todays whiny libs he would not be considdered far left. If Kerry were president at that time all of Europe would be speaking German.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by chiefst2000+Apr 12 2004, 03:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (chiefst2000 @ Apr 12 2004, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--James Hasty[/i]@Apr 12 2004, 03:01 PM
    [b] [
    FDR was a far left politician. Very far left. [/b][/quote]
    Not as much as you would think. His ideas for social reform aka the new deal were very progressive for the time. The biggest knock on him, and deservedly so, was that he waited far too long to get involved in WW2. I&#39;m not a fan of his but compared to todays whiny libs he would not be considdered far left. If Kerry were president at that time all of Europe would be speaking German. [/b][/quote]
    And Bush would have responded to the bombing of Pearl Harbor by invading somebody who had oil.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Bob the Jets Fan™+Apr 12 2004, 06:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Bob the Jets Fan™ @ Apr 12 2004, 06:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by -chiefst2000@Apr 12 2004, 03:41 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin--James Hasty[/i]@Apr 12 2004, 03:01 PM
    [b] [
    FDR was a far left politician. Very far left. [/b][/quote]
    Not as much as you would think. His ideas for social reform aka the new deal were very progressive for the time. The biggest knock on him, and deservedly so, was that he waited far too long to get involved in WW2. I&#39;m not a fan of his but compared to todays whiny libs he would not be considdered far left. If Kerry were president at that time all of Europe would be speaking German. [/b][/quote]
    And Bush would have responded to the bombing of Pearl Harbor by invading somebody who had oil. [/b][/quote]
    We invaded Saudi Arabia?????? :huh:

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    Afghanistan) <_<

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Jet Moses+Apr 13 2004, 07:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Jet Moses @ Apr 13 2004, 07:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by -Bob the Jets Fan™@Apr 12 2004, 06:14 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by -chiefst2000@Apr 12 2004, 03:41 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin--James Hasty[/i]@Apr 12 2004, 03:01 PM
    [b] [
    FDR was a far left politician. Very far left. [/b][/quote]
    Not as much as you would think. His ideas for social reform aka the new deal were very progressive for the time. The biggest knock on him, and deservedly so, was that he waited far too long to get involved in WW2. I&#39;m not a fan of his but compared to todays whiny libs he would not be considdered far left. If Kerry were president at that time all of Europe would be speaking German. [/b][/quote]
    And Bush would have responded to the bombing of Pearl Harbor by invading somebody who had oil. [/b][/quote]
    We invaded Saudi Arabia?????? :huh:

    Jumping Jehosafa, Hallelujah&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

    [i]DING DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD, THE WICKED WITCH...[/i]

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    Afghanistan) <_< [/b][/quote]
    As much as I&#39;d like us to take out all of the Arab terrorist states, it can only be successful when done under the banner of liberation. Even Iraq, in which the people wanted to be liberated, has posed some difficulties. I&#39;d love to go into Syria and Iran but if the people dont want the help it might not make sense to do it.

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    [quote][b]The guy brought us prescription drug benefits and has been a relatively big spender in most areas.[/b][/quote]

    Relatively big spender? More like the biggest spender ever. When was the last time a Republican president cut federal spending? Why aren&#39;t all the "fiscal conservatives," up in arms?

    [quote][b] Even Iraq, in which the people wanted to be liberated, has posed some difficulties[/b][/quote]

    I hate to break it to you, but the war is still going on and those "some difficulties" have been getting worse, not better.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 13 2004, 01:00 PM
    [b] [quote][b]The guy brought us prescription drug benefits and has been a relatively big spender in most areas.[/b][/quote]

    Relatively big spender? More like the biggest spender ever. When was the last time a Republican president cut federal spending? Why aren&#39;t all the "fiscal conservatives," up in arms?

    [quote][b] Even Iraq, in which the people wanted to be liberated, has posed some difficulties[/b][/quote]

    I hate to break it to you, but the war is still going on and those "some difficulties" have been getting worse, not better. [/b][/quote]
    Allways interesting to see a give me liberal complaining about Government spending. I guess your answer is to raise taxes on the "rich". I know you would never think of cutting back on social programs or discretionary spending.

    Kerry had some good ideas though. He proposed the Kerry bill which would slash CIA&#39;s budget in half. He also proposes a &#036;.50 tax on gallons of gas. A tax that would be a crushing blow to the average American.

    I agree that the current difficulties in Iraq are discouraging, but I feel comfort in the current administrations resolve. I&#39;d be alot more nervous if Hannoi John were running the show.

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    [quote][b]Allways interesting to see a give me liberal complaining about Government spending. I guess your answer is to raise taxes on the "rich". I know you would never think of cutting back on social programs or discretionary spending.

    Kerry had some good ideas though. He proposed the Kerry bill which would slash CIA&#39;s budget in half. He also proposes a &#036;.50 tax on gallons of gas. A tax that would be a crushing blow to the average American.[/b][/quote]

    Well I am one of the "rich" I make nearly 3 times the national medium househole income of &#036;40,000. A good way to cut government spending is to stop the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on nation building.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 13 2004, 01:44 PM
    [b] [quote][b]Allways interesting to see a give me liberal complaining about Government spending. I guess your answer is to raise taxes on the "rich". I know you would never think of cutting back on social programs or discretionary spending.

    Kerry had some good ideas though. He proposed the Kerry bill which would slash CIA&#39;s budget in half. He also proposes a &#036;.50 tax on gallons of gas. A tax that would be a crushing blow to the average American.[/b][/quote]

    Well I am one of the "rich" I make nearly 3 times the national medium househole income of &#036;40,000. A good way to cut government spending is to stop the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on nation building. [/b][/quote]
    Thats a small minded perspective. I would also like to take all the money we spend on foreign aid and nation building and spend it domestically. Hey, for that matter, why not take the money we spend on national defense and spend it on wellfare programs. Then things would really be good.

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    [quote][b]Thats a small minded perspective. I would also like to take all the money we spend on foreign aid and nation building and spend it domestically. Hey, for that matter, why not take the money we spend on national defense and spend it on wellfare programs. Then things would really be good.
    [/b][/quote]

    Ever think for a second that every &#036;1 we spend on defense and intelligence is not necessarily benificial to national security? Every part of the government has tons of wasted money and should be streamlined. Take for example, Bush&#39;s push for spending billions of dollars to develop mini-nukes. Couldn&#39;t the money be spent wiser? The government needs a visit from the Bobs (reference from Office Space.) Hell the government pays my consulting company over 3K a day for my services.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 13 2004, 02:07 PM
    [b] [quote][b]Thats a small minded perspective. I would also like to take all the money we spend on foreign aid and nation building and spend it domestically. Hey, for that matter, why not take the money we spend on national defense and spend it on wellfare programs. Then things would really be good.
    [/b][/quote]

    Ever think for a second that ever &#036;1 we spend on defense and intelligence is not necessarily benificial to national security? Every part of the government has tons of wasted money and should be streamlined. Take for example, Bush&#39;s push for spending billions of dollars to develop mini-nukes. Couldn&#39;t the money be spent wiser? The government needs a visit from the Bobs (reference from Office Space.) Hell the government pays my consulting company over 3K a day for my services. [/b][/quote]
    Agreed, the government is wastefull. I dont think that has to do with what Political party is in power though.

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    Pelosi leader of &#39;Progressive Caucus&#39;
    Dems&#39; likely top House official part of powerful, socialist-linked bloc

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    Posted: November 11, 2002
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    © 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

    Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., the likely new minority leader in the House of Representatives, serves on the executive committee of the socialist-leaning Progressive Caucus, a bloc of about 60 votes or nearly 30 percent of the minority vote in the lower chamber.

    Until 1999, the website of the Progressive Caucus was hosted by the Democratic Socialists of America. Following an expose of the link between the two organizations in WorldNetDaily, the Progressive Caucus established its own website under the auspices of Congress. Another officer of the Progressive Caucus, and one of its guiding lights, is avowed socialist Rep. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent.

    The Democratic Socialists of America&#39;s chief organizing goal is to work within the Democratic Party and remove the stigma attached to "socialism" in the eyes of most Americans.

    "Stress our Democratic Party strategy and electoral work," explains an organizing document of the DSA. "The Democratic Party is something the public understands, and association with it takes the edge off. Stressing our Democratic Party work will establish some distance from the radical subculture and help integrate you to the milieu of the young liberals."

    Nevertheless, the goal of the Democratic Socialists of America has never been deeply hidden. Prior to the cleanup of its website in 1999, the DSA included a song list featuring "The Internationale," the worldwide anthem of communism and socialism. Another song on the site was "Red Revolution" sung to the tune of "Red Robin." The lyrics went: "When the Red Revolution brings its solution along, along, there&#39;ll be no more lootin&#39; when we start shootin&#39; that Wall Street throng. ..." Another song removed after WorldNetDaily&#39;s expose was "Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie?" The lyrics went: "Are you sleeping? Are you sleeping? Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie. And when the revolution comes, We&#39;ll kill you all with knives and guns, Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie."

    In the last three years, the Progressive Caucus has been careful to moderate its image for mainstream consumption.

    "The members of the Progressive Caucus share a common belief in the principles of social and economic justice, non-discrimination and tolerance in America and in our relationships with other countries," the group&#39;s statement of purpose explains.

    Most of the members of the Progressive Caucus, including Pelosi, opposed authorizing the war on Iraq. In fact, most Democrats in the House opposed the war resolution. House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt and 81 other House Democrats supported the move.

    "I have seen no evidence or intelligence that suggests that Iraq indeed poses an imminent threat to our nation." Pelosi said in voting against the resolution. "If the administration has that information, they have not shared it with the Congress."

    The latest issue of the liberal New Republic bemoans Pelosi&#39;s ascendancy to top leadership in her party because of her extreme left positions, calling the Democrat&#39;s position "dangerous."

    "The ideological vacuum atop the post-Sept. 11 Democratic Party will inevitably be filled," the New Republic said in its trademark TRB column. "And, if it is filled by Nancy Pelosi and Dennis Kucinich, the United States will no longer be a 50-50 nation; it will be a 40-60 nation for a generation."

    Pelosi, 62, last year was elected by her Democratic colleagues to be the House Democratic Whip – making her the highest-ranking woman in the U.S. Congress even before her expected rise to the role of House minority leader. She also serves on the House Intelligence Committee.

    Pelosi represents a liberal congressional district, taking in most of San Francisco. Her votes against the resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq and in support of such domestic initiatives as needle exchange programs for AIDS sufferers may not be far out of step with her district constituency. But some suggest the nation&#39;s pulse may be another matter.

    Pelosi was 47 before she won her first election, after raising five children with her businessman husband, Paul. But she has been involved in politics all her life. Her father was a New Deal congressman from Maryland and later the mayor of Baltimore. Her brother also served as Baltimore&#39;s mayor. She was hand-picked to run for Congress by the dying Rep. Sala Burton, whose seat Pelosi won in a special election in 1987.

    She has never lost an election.

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    Interesting article JMo it hit&#39;s the nail right on the head.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by chiefst2000[/i]@Apr 13 2004, 01:28 PM
    [b] I guess your answer is to raise taxes on the "rich". I know you would never think of cutting back on social programs or discretionary spending. [/b][/quote]
    How about doing both? Why does it have to be either/or?

    EDIT: I am not advocated tax increases, just posing the question, and in actuality, would like to see TRUE tax breaks for the middle class, which neither party seems to provide.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 13 2004, 01:00 PM
    [b][quote][b]The guy brought us prescription drug benefits and has been a relatively big spender in most areas.[/b][/quote]

    Relatively big spender? More like the biggest spender ever. When was the last time a Republican president cut federal spending? Why aren&#39;t all the "fiscal conservatives," up in arms?
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    Some of us are :(

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    The Dem&#39;s of today were the Anti war protester&#39;s of the 60&#39;s that
    called the Cops Pigs and hated the FBI and the American Govt in
    General&#33; I loved JFK who I&#39;d vote for today because he&#39;d be a
    Conservative in todays Politics&#33; ;)

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by savage69[/i]@Apr 14 2004, 05:15 PM
    [b] The Dem&#39;s of today were the Anti war protester&#39;s of the 60&#39;s that
    called the Cops Pigs and hated the FBI and the American Govt in
    General&#33; [/b][/quote]
    And then they [b]BECAME[/b] the government:

    [url=http://bernie.house.gov/pc/]http://bernie.house.gov/pc/[/url]

    :(

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