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    [quote][b]Planeload Of Illegal Aliens Nabbed In Newark

    88 Aliens Were On LA-Newark Flight

    Apr 9, 2004 2:53 pm US/Eastern

    NEWARK, N.J. (AP) Acting on a tip that a plane carrying scores of illegal aliens was heading to Newark Liberty International Airport, federal agents detained 88 people, all Latin American immigrants who had flown here from Los Angeles.

    The detainees were being held at locations across northern New Jersey on Friday. Their cases will be presented to an immigration judge in coming weeks, said Janet Rapaport, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection, a division of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

    Fifty-three aliens came from Mexico, 16 from Guatemala, 16 from Ecuador, two from El Salvador and one from Honduras.

    Twenty of the detainees are women and 63 are men. There also were five juveniles -- one girl and four boys.

    Deportation proceedings will begin against the detainees as part of their hearings, Rapaport said.

    Continental Airlines flight 1803 from Los Angeles landed at Newark early Thursday morning. [b]Continental spokesman Rahsaan Johnson said the flight had 200 passengers aboard. He said passengers are not required to show proof of citizenship before boarding domestic flights[/b].[/b][/quote]


    This is just super, while U.S men and women in the military are putting it all the line in so much danger to "protect us", anybody who wants to board a plane can do so post 9/11, no questions asked :blink:

    Bring the troops back to the U.S or tell the American people the truth: This is all about oil!!!!Texas Tea, if you will.

    After reading the above article, another 9-11 is much more probable than you think....If 88 illegals can get on a plane unnoticed, why not 2 terrorist's with nafarious intentions :blink:


    Joke, Joke, Joke, Joke, Joke, Joke.....If this is the way the U.S defends it's people from potential "terrorist's attacks", then bring the soldiers back before one of them even catch's a cold in that spit hole country of Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    P.S: Most of the Hi-jackers on 9/11 had phoney Florida Driver ID's................Guess who's brother proposed driver's ID's to all illegals in Florida recently? Anyone want to guess? :rolleyes:

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    I agree about Iraq, but are we really worried about hispanic aliens? Why the hell were they all flying to NJ anyway? Flying is enough of a ***** as it is, what sort of documentation would we have to show to prove we are not illegal aliens?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 13 2004, 01:12 PM
    [b] I agree about Iraq, but are we really worried about hispanic aliens? Why the hell were they all flying to NJ anyway? Flying is enough of a ***** as it is, what sort of documentation would we have to show to prove we are not illegal aliens? [/b][/quote]
    You are missing the point: If 88 people, who aren't even supposed to be in the country, can board a plane and go wherever they want, how easy a target is the U.S?

    Remember, the vast majority of the a-holes that caused 9-11 where "illegally in the U.S".............By the way, not even one (I believe) was from Iraq :o

    So, we've got troops running around Iraq, engaged in urban warfare, while the same exact scenario of 9-11 can play itself out in the U.S again?

    Why are they flying to NY? Because our political figures--particularly the Republicans in the Senate and the executive branch--have stated illegal aliens, by the millions, are welcomed in the U.S, despite the fact that it is still against the law:blink:


    Honestly, post 9-11, doesn't this bother anyone?

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    [quote][b]Honestly, post 9-11, doesn't this bother anyone? [/b][/quote]

    It doesn't bother me because we have air marshalls to defend us. (Unless of coarse they leave their gun in the restroom.) [url=http://www.local6.com/news/2993390/detail.html]http://www.local6.com/news/2993390/detail.html[/url]

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    Yes. All the Republicans fault.

    Come, brothers and sisters of Mexico, flood the borders! We have jobs for you, we'll raise our taxes to send your kids to college. We'll set up fountains in the desert for you illegals to prevent dehydration. We'll tear down the environmentally unfriendly fences keeping you out. We'll get you, the illegal alien, the right to vote -- even if it's not for our party. We'll mandate that English not be the national language to make it easier for you to assimilate, especially in schools. We'll make a stink about racial profiling.

    Yes. All the Republicans fault.

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    [quote][b]Come, brothers and sisters of Mexico, flood the borders! We have jobs for you, we'll raise our taxes to send your kids to college. We'll set up fountains in the desert for you illegals to prevent dehydration. We'll tear down the environmentally unfriendly fences keeping you out. We'll get you, the illegal alien, the right to vote -- even if it's not for our party. We'll mandate that English not be the national language to make it easier for you to assimilate, especially in schools. We'll make a stink about racial profiling.[/b][/quote]

    Excellent job!!!!That pretty much sums up today's emasculated Republican party. Sad but true--They are basically modern day versions of Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton (1st term).. :unsure: :blink:

    Let&#39;s hope this total capitualtion towards lawlessness, combined with lax law enforcement, doesn&#39;t lead us to another 9-11 scenario or worse <_<

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Riggins44+Apr 13 2004, 02:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Riggins44 @ Apr 13 2004, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 13 2004, 01:12 PM
    [b] I agree about Iraq, but are we really worried about hispanic aliens? Why the hell were they all flying to NJ anyway? Flying is enough of a ***** as it is, what sort of documentation would we have to show to prove we are not illegal aliens? [/b][/quote]
    You are missing the point: If 88 people, who aren&#39;t even supposed to be in the country, can board a plane and go wherever they want, how easy a target is the U.S?

    Remember, the vast majority of the a-holes that caused 9-11 where "illegally in the U.S".............By the way, not even one (I believe) was from Iraq :o

    So, we&#39;ve got troops running around Iraq, engaged in urban warfare, while the same exact scenario of 9-11 can play itself out in the U.S again?

    Why are they flying to NY? Because our political figures--particularly the Republicans in the Senate and the executive branch--have stated illegal aliens, by the millions, are welcomed in the U.S, despite the fact that it is still against the law:blink:


    Honestly, post 9-11, doesn&#39;t this bother anyone? [/b][/quote]
    Flip Flop Flip Flop

    You people are all the same. On one hand your complaining about illegals coming into this country. At the same time your buddy, Bronx Borough Presidens and NYC Mayoral candidate Ferrer and the rest of the New York Democrats are advocating giving non-US citizens the right to vote in New York. Yes its true. They were actually blasting Bloomburg for being agains the Idea.


    Flip Flop

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    [quote][b]You people are all the same. On one hand your complaining about illegals coming into this country. At the same time your buddy, Bronx Borough Presidens and NYC Mayoral candidate Ferrer and the rest of the New York Democrats are advocating giving non-US citizens the right to vote in New York. Yes its true. They were actually blasting Bloomburg for being agains the Idea. [/b][/quote]

    You people? If you mean me, you&#39;re talking about a true conservative, not some mealy mouthed socialist, big government Republican that infests that party today&#33;

    Again, the fact that the Democrats are total pyschopath&#39;s that want to obliterate our nations laws, in effort to roll us into some sordid form of gobal socialism, doesn&#39;t exonerate Republican&#39;s that think the same way.

    By the way, some on the West coast want to take this garbage a step foward: Allowing thirteen year olds to vote.

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    Riggins - this is appalling. I know we disagree about Iraq, but you are right on about the general direction of the GOP. It&#39;s a disgrace. Just because the Dems are worse doesn&#39;t mean things aren&#39;t moving in a horrible direction for our side. No wonder Pat Buchanon was and is disgusted with them.

    I am as well. But where oh where can I go? If it weren&#39;t for judicial nominations and the war on terror (which I acknowledge has flaws, serious ones) I wouldn&#39;t even consider voting GOP.

    But I have nowhere else to go and sorry, I can&#39;t sit out an election...I just can&#39;t.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by jets5ever[/i]@Apr 13 2004, 04:31 PM
    [b] Riggins - this is appalling. I know we disagree about Iraq, but you are right on about the general direction of the GOP. It&#39;s a disgrace. Just because the Dems are worse doesn&#39;t mean things aren&#39;t moving in a horrible direction for our side. No wonder Pat Buchanon was and is disgusted with them.

    I am as well. But where oh where can I go? If it weren&#39;t for judicial nominations and the war on terror (which I acknowledge has flaws, serious ones) I wouldn&#39;t even consider voting GOP.

    But I have nowhere else to go and sorry, I can&#39;t sit out an election...I just can&#39;t. [/b][/quote]
    Believe me, it&#39;s tough. You feel trapped.

    On the one hand, you&#39;ve got the Democrats, led by Hillary Clinton and the like, that want to lead us all into some sort of pathetic socialism. Of course, she&#39;d be some sort of queen, immune from it all, raking in big bucks and getting power :rolleyes:

    On the other hand, for different purposes sometimes, the Republicans seem to be heading towards the same path.

    I&#39;m sorry, how can we allow these soldiers to risk it "all" for our security, when we can allow that many people (88), who aren&#39;t even supposed to be here, to get on a plane and go wherever they want post 9-11?

    Suppose half were there to create havoc. Could sky-Marshall&#39;s even handle 50 people on plane, looking to do harm?

    Here&#39;s the bottom line: You either enforce your laws, or obliterate them totally.....

    Total clowns like Kerry, who ain&#39;t worth a rusted nickle, know the American people won&#39;t stand for that. His solution is to look the other way long enough to say, "we can&#39;t stop this, so we must accept it".

    Regrettably, the Republicans are tying to immulate this foolish train of thought.

    Let&#39;s hope this stops. And soon&#33;


    P.S: I&#39;m not totally against the war, per say. I just wonder why we are fighting in a soverign nation, that didn&#39;t have much DIRECT LINK to 9-11? If this is in response to 9-11, why not attack Saudia Arabia, [b]which had 15 hi-jackers do America harm?[/b]

    Please, this needs to be answered?

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    [quote][b] I just wonder why we are fighting in a soverign nation, that didn&#39;t have much DIRECT LINK to 9-11? If this is in response to 9-11, why not attack Saudia Arabia, which had 15 hi-jackers do America harm?

    Please, this needs to be answered? [/b][/quote]

    Because Bush is an honorary member of the Saudi Royal Family.

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    "Sovreignty" means whatever people want it to mean. People harp all about Iraq&#39;s "sovreignty" meanwhile part of OUR "sovreignty" is to be able to defend ourselves as we see fit. "Sovreignty" is a red herring. People harp on and on about it, yet want us to essentially get UN permission. How is the UN not an infringement on our "sovreignty??"


    Riggo - An Iraqi attacked the WTC in 1993,killing Americans and wounding hundreds. The War on Terror is not a "response to 9-11." Terrorists from many countries have been attacking and killing Americans for decades. 9-11 made us realize that we were at war and had been for some time. The war on terror is not some simple revenge plan to "rectify" 9-11. Is is much broader and is NOT solely against AQ or OBL.

    That said, yes, Saudi Arabia needs to be addressed. Section can take pot-shots at Bush all he wants, but serious people know that the entire US government has had a flawed reltionship with the Saudis for far too long and it does need to be addressed. They have made all the right noises about becoming allies since 9-11, and the bombings in Riyadh apparently have woken them up and they appear to have been able to actually hunt down terrorists on their soil. But who knows if they are speaking out of both sides of their mouths...they have long funded terrorism and encouraged it. But so has Pakistan. We cannot invade every country simultaneously...other means have to be used. Saddam was not capable of ANY cooperation. He had to go, 9-11 or no 9-11. Be patient. This war is going to be long and difficult. We&#39;ve known this from the beginning and Bush has never hinted otherwise.

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    [quote][b]That said, yes, Saudi Arabia needs to be addressed. Section can take pot-shots at Bush all he wants, but serious people know that the entire US government has had a flawed reltionship with the Saudis for far too long and it does need to be addressed. They have made all the right noises about becoming allies since 9-11, and the bombings in Riyadh apparently have woken them up and they appear to have been able to actually hunt down terrorists on their soil. But who knows if they are speaking out of both sides of their mouths...they have long funded terrorism and encouraged it. But so has Pakistan. We cannot invade every country simultaneously...other means have to be used. Saddam was not capable of ANY cooperation. He had to go, 9-11 or no 9-11. Be patient. This war is going to be long and difficult. We&#39;ve known this from the beginning and Bush has never hinted otherwise.[/b][/quote]


    Good, fair answer. Can&#39;t argue with your response 5-E. Obviously Saudi Arabia is vital to the U.S , so taking drastic action may be unrealistic. As long as the pledge to help stop it and mean it............


    [quote][b]An Iraqi attacked the WTC in 1993[/b][/quote]


    Facinating fact regarded that Iraqi. Seems like the U.S Gov&#39;t may&#39;ve been an unwilling accomplice in that attack <_< :


    [quote][b]And there is no question Arabs have used the porous border between the U.S. and Mexico and the immigration problems it poses for Washington to its advantage.

    Mahmud Abouhalima, a leader of the 1993 Trade Center bombing, was legalized as a seasonal agricultural worker as part of the 1986 amnesty. [b]Only after he was legalized was he able to travel outside of the country, including several trips to the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, where he received the terrorist training he used in the bombing.[/b] Abdel Hakim Tizegha, involved in the millennium plot, sneaked across the border posing as a Mexican migrant.[/b][/quote]


    :o

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by chiefst2000[/i]@Apr 13 2004, 03:14 PM
    [b] Flip Flop Flip Flop

    You people are all the same. On one hand your complaining about illegals coming into this country. At the same time your buddy, Bronx Borough Presidens and NYC Mayoral candidate Ferrer and the rest of the New York Democrats are advocating giving non-US citizens the right to vote in New York. Yes its true. They were actually blasting Bloomburg for being agains the Idea.


    Flip Flop [/b][/quote]
    You&#39;re still missing the point. Post 9/11 ANYONE can fly into this country with NO identification. Whether they&#39;re from Mexico or the Middle East, the article shows they&#39;re still getting into this country with no ID.

    And before you say YOU PEOPLE, Im a registered Republican myself, living in NYC, who is EXTREMELY bothered by the fact that airline/airport security is still subpar.

    But why let that point get in the way of any opportunity to blast the other party, right?

    (To address your point, Im against non-citizens getting the right to vote, and I was against Bush&#39;s whole amnesty proposal a while back, but that has nothing to do with airline security :blink: ).

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by chiefst2000+Apr 13 2004, 03:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (chiefst2000 @ Apr 13 2004, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by -Riggins44@Apr 13 2004, 02:23 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin--Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 13 2004, 01:12 PM
    [b] I agree about Iraq, but are we really worried about hispanic aliens? Why the hell were they all flying to NJ anyway? Flying is enough of a ***** as it is, what sort of documentation would we have to show to prove we are not illegal aliens? [/b][/quote]
    You are missing the point: If 88 people, who aren&#39;t even supposed to be in the country, can board a plane and go wherever they want, how easy a target is the U.S?

    Remember, the vast majority of the a-holes that caused 9-11 where "illegally in the U.S".............By the way, not even one (I believe) was from Iraq :o

    So, we&#39;ve got troops running around Iraq, engaged in urban warfare, while the same exact scenario of 9-11 can play itself out in the U.S again?

    Why are they flying to NY? Because our political figures--particularly the Republicans in the Senate and the executive branch--have stated illegal aliens, by the millions, are welcomed in the U.S, despite the fact that it is still against the law:blink:


    Honestly, post 9-11, doesn&#39;t this bother anyone? [/b][/quote]
    Flip Flop Flip Flop

    You people are all the same. On one hand your complaining about illegals coming into this country. At the same time your buddy, Bronx Borough Presidens and NYC Mayoral candidate Ferrer and the rest of the New York Democrats are advocating giving non-US citizens the right to vote in New York. Yes its true. They were actually blasting Bloomburg for being agains the Idea.


    Flip Flop [/b][/quote]
    Where was this? I never heard that....A non citizen cannot vote.....that is the law of almost every country in the world...

    where is this article?

    LL

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Riggins44[/i]@Apr 13 2004, 05:00 PM
    [b] Again, the fact that the Democrats are total pyschopath&#39;s that want to obliterate our nations laws, in effort to roll us into some sordid form of gobal socialism, doesn&#39;t exonerate Republican&#39;s that think the same way. [/b][/quote]
    Exactly.

    In a way, I long for the days of Pat Buchanan. Love him or hate him, at least he was voicing a different opinion on a national stage.

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    Brooklyn -

    I voted for Buchanon in 2000. I also really liked Alan Keyes. I disagree with a lot of their views, but agree wiht a lot of them as well. They are brilliant, brilliant men and Keyes may be the best public speaker I have ever heard.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by jets5ever[/i]@Apr 14 2004, 11:38 AM
    [b] Brooklyn -

    I voted for Buchanon in 2000. I also really liked Alan Keyes. I disagree with a lot of their views, but agree wiht a lot of them as well. They are brilliant, brilliant men and Keyes may be the best public speaker I have ever heard. [/b][/quote]
    I agree. I think Buchanan can go overboard sometimes with his rhetoric, but if you cut through that to his core message, he makes a lot of sense, and I think even more so in a post-9/11 world.

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    [quote][b]...A non citizen cannot vote.....that is the law of almost every country in the world...

    where is this article?[/b][/quote]


    I don&#39;t know about the particular story regarding Ferrer, but you&#39;d be suprised how many candidates (from both parties) try to get crap like that past a distracted U.S public.

    Most know that the American people will never, ever allow this kind of lawlessness to enter our Democratic process, so they try to circumvent by clever means--i.e handing out valid state ID&#39;s to noncitizens.

    For years, Democrats realized they got the vast majority of votes from "non- citizen" voters, so they always backed these silly, lawbreaking ideas, in hopes that folks at the voting boths would allow anyone with a drivers ID to vote&#33;

    This is risky. In California, Gov. Gray Davis was pummled badly in a liberal state due to his sordid drivers ID scam. The Lunz polling group found that it was probably the issue that ended his career ( over 70 percent of Ca. voters strongly dissappoved).

    You&#39;d think no other politician would ever want to draw the ire of the people with that issue again?

    Think again&#33; Both Arnold Schwartznagger and Jeb Bush have come out in favor of drivers ID&#39;s to non citizens. Ask any Bill Clinton fan, he relied heavily on "motor-voter" votes in some states.


    BJ and 5E:Couple years back, if I saw what I was written on the issue, I would&#39;ve thouht I was crazy. The more you look at it, the more you realize how devasting this is. It&#39;s obscured by our political leaders for political expeidency and the media due to "political correctness", but it&#39;s huge: I&#39;d say, if the U.S ever took it&#39;s it immigration laws seriously the following events may&#39;ve never happened: 1993 WTC bombing; the 9-11 tragedy (which led to the war in Iraq) and probably the Oklahoma City Bombing (McVeigh and Nichols appear to be front men/usefull idiots for foreign radicals--Bin Laden?)........

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by jets5ever[/i]@Apr 14 2004, 11:38 AM
    [b]Brooklyn -

    I voted for Buchanon in 2000. I also really liked Alan Keyes. I disagree with a lot of their views, but agree wiht a lot of them as well. They are brilliant, brilliant men and Keyes may be the best public speaker I have ever heard.[/b][/quote]
    Put Buchanon and Keyes on a ticket and they got my Vote&#33;&#33; ;)

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