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    [url=http://www.theunionleader.com/Articles_show.html?article=36042&archive=1]http://www.theunionleader.com/Articles_sho...36042&archive=1[/url]

    [SIZE=1]Families of the 94th
    are on the warpath
    By SCOTT BROOKS and DALE VINCENT
    Union Leader News



    HOLLIS — Military families threatened to wage a war of their own last night, as sadness turned to sharp anger at the Bush administration for keeping their loved ones in Iraq.

    It was another monthly meeting for relatives of reservists in the Londonderry-based 94th Military Police Company of the U.S. Army Reserve, but this one was unlike any other before it.

    Two days after learning their loved ones would not be leaving the Middle East as expected Sunday, the families said they’re ready to launch a political fight.

    “God forbid, if one soldier dies, there will be no end to anything any one of our members can do,” said Gerri Whittredge, who lent the group her Hollis home for the meeting. “I will be in Washington, D.C., at Mr. Bush’s door, shoving his words down his throat.”

    Others said she would not be alone.

    “We want the whole country to hear our story,” said Franklin resident Richard MacDonald, whose son, Adam MacDonald, 23, is a specialist in the company.

    Family members said their frustration soared to new heights this weekend, when many received phone calls or e-mails from the soldiers, who have spent 17 months on active duty.

    Jennifer Lee of Reading, Mass., plays with her daughter, Charlotte Lee, 14 months, last night. Lee’s husband, Sgt. 1st Class Michael Lee, 34, of Londonderry-based 94th Military Police Company of the U.S. Army Reserve, has spent just 2½ weeks with his daughter. (SCOTT BROOKS)
    The unit was deployed last Easter, serving in various parts of Iraq and sometimes Kuwait. Members were originally slated to come home last fall, but their stay was extended six months.

    On Saturday, relatives said, the reservists had their bags packed and were waiting in Kuwait for buses to take them to the airport when they learned the trip was not to be, at least for now.

    Gathered around Whittredge’s dining room table last night, the group of about a dozen Reserve family members said they did not know how much longer the wait might be, or even when they’d find out.

    “What they’re doing to the families of our soldiers is unconscionable,” said Whittredge, whose son, Sgt. Steven R. Whittredge, 35, has been a reservist since May 2002. “It’s terrorism.”

    Jennifer Lee, a former member of the 94th company herself, said she speaks to her husband every day via cell phone. Michael Lee, 34, is a sergeant first class in the unit.

    “I ask him daily what’s the word,” said Lee, who acts as the group’s main liaison with the unit. “They don’t know. Right now, they’re just going day by day.”

    Lee cradled her 14-month-old daughter, Charlotte, while telling the group about a conference call she had yesterday with a Massachusetts-based Army general. The call offered little new information, she said.

    Meanwhile, she’s taking care of Charlotte alone. Lee said her husband has seen their daughter three times since she was born, for a total of 2½ weeks.

    “He really doesn’t even know what he’s missing as a dad,” Lee said.

    Not surprisingly, relatives said it’s hardest of all on the troops.

    Karen Locker, of Chelmsford, Mass., said she spoke to her son, 21-year-old specialist Jason Zavasky, by phone Saturday after the announcement.

    “He said, ‘You could see it on some of the soldiers’ faces. They’re just done,’ ” she said. “They’re war-weary. They’re tired. It makes it hard on all of them.”

    Trudy Siraco, of Tewksbury, Mass., said she asked her son, 21-year-old specialist Sean Mabry, if he has been sleeping well.

    “He said, ‘It’s real easy to sleep when you’re depressed,’ ” she said. “My son has never been depressed.”

    More than 150 soldiers belong to the unit. In more than a year of combat, Lee said five have been injured, but none have been killed. Whittredge said she feared the reservists’ exhaustion, coupled with their disappointment, could reduce their effectiveness as soldiers.

    “They are a hindrance to others and a hindrance to themselves,” Whittredge said.

    Already, the group said it has written e-mails to President Bush and Vice President Cheney, as well as to Cabinet members and various New Hampshire and Massachusetts congressmen.

    In a news conference yesterday, Gen. John Abizaid, commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, said there hasn’t been a complete freeze on rotating units home. Abizaid said: “There are still units that are departing.”

    But because some Iraqi civil defense members have failed to carry out their duties, or deserted, Abizaid and Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of American ground forces, said there needs to be a reassessment of the training strategies that have been employed.

    As a result, Abizaid cautioned that certain U.S. military specialties may need to be retained in Iraq.

    Marine Capt. Bruce Frame, at Central Command in Florida, yesterday said: “As far as any extended stay (for the 94th Military Police) . . . a decision hasn’t been made.”

    New Hampshire U.S. Sens. John Sununu and Judd Gregg yesterday sought information about the status of the unit.

    In a statement, Gregg said the U.S. Army responded that no decision has been made, “but there is a review being undertaken as to what additional troops are needed and a final decision is expected within the next few days.”

    When defense officials last September announced that National Guard and reservists already in Iraq were having their tours of duty extended to 12 months, it was noted that reservists and National Guard personnel could serve up to two years, if needed.

    The 32nd Military Police Company, a Wisconsin National Guard unit which was expected to leave Iraq shortly, has just had its duty extended 120 days.[/SIZE]

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    I thought you Libs considered seving in such frivilous things as the reserves and the National Guard to be cowardly and not worthy of being called service to the country.

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    Spare me Section - you have stated multiple times that you don't appreciate nor support our soldiers. You posted this story not because of concern for troops, but rather to attack Bush.

    You, sir, are a hypocrite. You are THRILLED by this article.


    (BTW - Yes, these families have every right to be pissed off. I probably would be too. It's a tough, tough sacrifice to make....)

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    Section actually joined the National Guard, before he backed out of it.

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    When a person signs up for military service it is to be expected that they may at some point be put in harms way. If your a salesman you may at some point be expected to make a sale. Section you are a closed minded person. You hear what you want to hear and see what you want to see. Try tuning into the Oreily factor. And before you start complaining right wing biassed remember that that guy is an Independent. His views are non partisan. He simply loves the USA. A feeling you clearly dont share.

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    Look I'm a huge supporter of those Men and Woman in uniform .... even more so to those in the guard some of who I work with and miss very much.

    But let's get this straight ... For years those in the guard had it easy for lack of a better word.
    One weekend a month and one week a year..for this they recieved pay ( no much mind you but pay) and bennies ( like College money health coverage ...etc. Those who signed up Knew that there could be a chance they night have to go to war some day. No one put a gun to there head..
    Well Boys and Girls now it's time to shut up and do what it is you've trained for and signed up for.

    I'm understand that the families what there love ones home.... But I don't understand the anger at all. Your loved ones signed up willingly get over it.

    To those deserters in canada I say F**K you ... stay there you are scum cowards who broke you promise to you country and you fellow Brothers in arms.
    I hope to god you are never allowed back. you should have take Penn and Baldwin with you.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Spirit of Weeb[/i]@Apr 21 2004, 04:11 PM
    [b] Section actually joined the National Guard, before he backed out of it. [/b][/quote]
    Spirit...

    The last 5 posts of yours have all been the same basic thing.

    I laughed my a$$ off each time.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by GreenBlood[/i]@Apr 21 2004, 04:25 PM
    [b] Look I'm a huge supporter of those Men and Woman in uniform .... even more so to those in the guard some of who I work with and miss very much.

    But let's get this straight ... For years those in the guard had it easy for lack of a better word.
    One weekend a month and one week a year..for this they recieved pay ( no much mind you but pay) and bennies ( like College money health coverage ...etc. Those who signed up Knew that there could be a chance they night have to go to war some day. No one put a gun to there head..
    Well Boys and Girls now it's time to shut up and do what it is you've trained for and signed up for.

    I'm understand that the families what there love ones home.... But I don't understand the anger at all. Your loved ones signed up willingly get over it.

    To those deserters in canada I say F**K you ... stay there you are scum cowards who broke you promise to you country and you fellow Brothers in arms.
    I hope to god you are never allowed back. you should have take Penn and Baldwin with you. [/b][/quote]
    Amen brother

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    Having served on Active Air Force duty and also in the New York Air National Guard I can say from experience that many of these soldiers are probably happy to be away from their families maybe?

    When I was in the NYANG I knew a guy who told his wife that [i][b]he[/b][/i] needed to pay the Guard dues instead of [b][i]the Guard [/i][/b]paying him. He pocketed the supposed dues money as well as what NYANG paid.

    P.S. I'm serious.

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    You know what.

    BOO F_CKING HOO.

    As a man who was personally deployed twice to the Clinton Memorial sweep of the Balkans and hates to see soldiers away from their loved ones, enough god damn crying. These people signed on the dotted lines and knew what they were getting into when they signed up. While a [u][b]GREAT[/b][/u] majority of them signed up to serve their country and understood their possible role, a small handful decided they wanted to play Army and took a gamble for few extra hundred dollars a month and discounted college. Then low and behold, they got called up and people are running around crying, "Wait a minute, no one told me I'd have to deploy, I declare Shenanigans.". Payback's a *****. GRab your BDUs and some sunscreen, it's time to pay back uncle sam for that GI Bill.

    I will concede that the pace of national guard/reserve deployment must decrease, a problem which I attribute DIRECTLY to Donald "I have all the answers" Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld continues to advocate maintaining the current size of the active Army (pathetic in comparison to cold war times) and has been reported still interested in base closing and force cuts. It makes no sense. While I have no problems with deploying guard/reserve units, I will agree that you can't expect citizen soldiers to have to keep deploying over and over in such a short time span. If they continue to do so, there won't be many left. But that's not what this is about.

    In the end, when it comes to this complaining, take a number and get in line. My wife and I didn't see each other for a year in 1997 and then again for 5 months in 1999-2000. I missed more major family events then you'd believe. Never in my wildest imagination, growng up as a child and wondering where I'd be when the clock struck year 2000, did I think I'd spend it in Urosevac, Kosovo. Life's a *****. Did it suck. Yes. Was I not too happy to be there? A little (Partly because I hate Clinton) But I knew what I was getting into and so did those around me, including the national guardsmen and reservists. So did millions of other men and women who were in the same scenario before and after me.

    *****ing about everything is a national pastime for family members in the rear. To those *****ing...deal with it. To those supporting and understanding of their loved one's mission, stay strong.

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    [quote][b]But I knew what I was getting into and so did those around me, including the national guardsmen and reservists. So did millions of other men and women who were in the same scenario before and after me.
    [/b][/quote]

    No there were not people in this same scenario in the past. In the past the guard was a place for people like Dubya to skip out on real combat. Only recently has the guard been used on the frontlines. We have an Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force, etc... who all have chosen the military as their fultime careers. The Guard is supposed to takeover domestic issues during wartime. The National Guard is like a volunteer fire department. They are used sparingly. Isn't anyone else upset that a large portion of our military force is made up of part time servicemen?

    I also find it funny how you pro-war people are trying to portray these guardsmen and their families. "They knew what the were getting into" "Suck it up" "Stop whining" "They have been raping the system for years getting all the wonderful benefits" Please....

    [quote][b]Try tuning into the Oreily factor. And before you start complaining right wing biassed remember that that guy is an Independent. His views are non partisan. He simply loves the USA. A feeling you clearly dont share.[/b][/quote]

    Yes I know, Bill O'Reily loves America and Michael Moore hates America. I love O'Reily, why else would I have a quote from him in my signature?

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    Well, unfortunately, because of the military cutbacks during the Clinton years, the Regular Army is the smallest it has been in decades.

    BTW, I was held over in Somalia for 4 extra months. Did it suck? Of course.
    Did I ***** about it? Of course.

    I was proud to serve this country, and would do so again if called upon.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 22 2004, 02:17 AM
    [b] [quote][b]But I knew what I was getting into and so did those around me, including the national guardsmen and reservists. So did millions of other men and women who were in the same scenario before and after me.
    [/b][/quote]

    No there were not people in this same scenario in the past. In the past the guard was a place for people like Dubya to skip out on real combat. Only recently has the guard been used on the frontlines. We have an Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force, etc... who all have chosen the military as their fultime careers. The Guard is supposed to takeover domestic issues during wartime. The National Guard is like a volunteer fire department. They are used sparingly. Isn't anyone else upset that a large portion of our military force is made up of part time servicemen?

    I also find it funny how you pro-war people are trying to portray these guardsmen and their families. "They knew what the were getting into" "Suck it up" "Stop whining" "They have been raping the system for years getting all the wonderful benefits" Please....

    [quote][b]Try tuning into the Oreily factor. And before you start complaining right wing biassed remember that that guy is an Independent. His views are non partisan. He simply loves the USA. A feeling you clearly dont share.[/b][/quote]

    Yes I know, Bill O'Reily loves America and Michael Moore hates America. I love O'Reily, why else would I have a quote from him in my signature? [/b][/quote]
    You have zero clue what you're talking about. Did you actually have to concentrate before writing that jibberish?

    The National Guard's main role is not to fill sandbags, evacuate flood zones, march in parades, babysit people rioting after court verdicts and they're definitely not a "volunteer fire department". That comment alone is possibly the single most ridiculous statement ever made on this board. Take domestic issues over in wartime? What the hell are you smoking? What are you talking about? What domestic issues? What did they 'take over' in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam or Persian Gulf I? They take over gas stations? Did they take over the corner market? Was Mrs. Jefferson's laundromat ran by Army National Guard enlisted personnel during Vietnam? In 5 wars what have they ever taken over ?? They don't take over anything? They fight our nation's wars just like the active duty guys. Their main mission is to be prepared to backup the active components and FIGHT wars. Fight. Period. At a minimum they are used to 'backfill' active duty units that deployt forward. Yes they can be called out by state governors for in-state emergencies but in the end, they are war fighters. They've got the firepower.

    In case you didn't know, and we all know you don't, the Army National Guard is mostly comprised of Combat Arms units while the reserves are mostly comprised of combat support and service support. You know....Combat Arms: Armor, Field Artillery, Infantry, Air Defense, Engineers, etc....you know, those volunteer fire department units with M1A1 Abrams tanks for Fire Engines. Did you know that 75% of this nation's field artillery units alone are in the national guard? Of course not, you're still trying to figure out how the Electoral College system works as you strive to 'redefeat Bush'.

    They were used sparingly eh? They fought in WWII. They fought in Korea. They fought in Persian Gulf I. They were right alongside me in Bosnia and Kosovo. They've served in the Suez forever. They served in Macedonia. Sounds real sparse to me. But it's funny how they ended up there, seeing that they were supposed to be bagging groceries at Kroger and street sweeping in their volunteer fire trucks.

    Get a clue. Get your facts straight. Tell the family of a national guardsman killed in duty that he was a glorified volunteer firefighter. Our nation is at war, and like it or not, that's what they signed up for.



    That's why I can only take so much of this forum. The crap that comes out of the mouths of some of you left of center types is unbelievable. You guys have forcefed this garbage to yourselves so long you actually believe it's true.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 22 2004, 01:17 AM
    [b] The Guard is supposed to takeover domestic issues during wartime. The National Guard is like a volunteer fire department. [/b][/quote]
    It's almost funny when nitwits like this start trying to define specific uses for portions of our armed forces.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 22 2004, 01:17 AM
    [b] [quote][b]But I knew what I was getting into and so did those around me, including the national guardsmen and reservists. So did millions of other men and women who were in the same scenario before and after me.
    [/b][/quote]

    No there were not people in this same scenario in the past. In the past the guard was a place for people like Dubya to skip out on real combat. Only recently has the guard been used on the frontlines. We have an Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force, etc... who all have chosen the military as their fultime careers. The Guard is supposed to takeover domestic issues during wartime. The National Guard is like a volunteer fire department. They are used sparingly. Isn't anyone else upset that a large portion of our military force is made up of part time servicemen?

    I also find it funny how you pro-war people are trying to portray these guardsmen and their families. "They knew what the were getting into" "Suck it up" "Stop whining" "They have been raping the system for years getting all the wonderful benefits" Please....

    [quote][b]Try tuning into the Oreily factor. And before you start complaining right wing biassed remember that that guy is an Independent. His views are non partisan. He simply loves the USA. A feeling you clearly dont share.[/b][/quote]

    Yes I know, Bill O'Reily loves America and Michael Moore hates America. I love O'Reily, why else would I have a quote from him in my signature? [/b][/quote]
    Section, thanks for being here and posting. You represent the typical liberal closed minded viewpoints. You speak of issues which you know nothing about (see above) and provide fodder for the rest of us to attack. Its allways great to see your comments get shot down from many different angles. I often learn things I didnt know before. Its nice to see that most of our fellow jets fans (other than you wcm and outsider) also love this country ans support our troops. So thanks again.

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    [quote][b]The National Guard's main role is not to fill sandbags, evacuate flood zones, march in parades, babysit people rioting after court verdicts and they're definitely not a "volunteer fire department". That comment alone is possibly the single most ridiculous statement ever made on this board. Take domestic issues over in wartime? What the hell are you smoking? What are you talking about? What domestic issues? What did they 'take over' in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam or Persian Gulf I? They take over gas stations? Did they take over the corner market? Was Mrs. Jefferson's laundromat ran by Army National Guard enlisted personnel during Vietnam? In 5 wars what have they ever taken over ?? They don't take over anything? They fight our nation's wars just like the active duty guys. Their main mission is to be prepared to backup the active components and FIGHT wars. Fight. Period. At a minimum they are used to 'backfill' active duty units that deployt forward. Yes they can be called out by state governors for in-state emergencies but in the end, they are war fighters. They've got the firepower.
    [/b][/quote]

    I'm sorry I am not an expert in military organization. I guess my opinions were based on W's guard service. What I meant by taking over domestic issues was manning the bases that soldiers on the frontlines vacated. And yes things like natural disasters and riots are something I would consider National Guard duty. But spending 17 consecutive months in combat is not my idea of what the guardsmen signed up for.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 22 2004, 02:46 PM
    [b] [quote][b]The National Guard's main role is not to fill sandbags, evacuate flood zones, march in parades, babysit people rioting after court verdicts and they're definitely not a "volunteer fire department". That comment alone is possibly the single most ridiculous statement ever made on this board. Take domestic issues over in wartime? What the hell are you smoking? What are you talking about? What domestic issues? What did they 'take over' in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam or Persian Gulf I? They take over gas stations? Did they take over the corner market? Was Mrs. Jefferson's laundromat ran by Army National Guard enlisted personnel during Vietnam? In 5 wars what have they ever taken over ?? They don't take over anything? They fight our nation's wars just like the active duty guys. Their main mission is to be prepared to backup the active components and FIGHT wars. Fight. Period. At a minimum they are used to 'backfill' active duty units that deployt forward. Yes they can be called out by state governors for in-state emergencies but in the end, they are war fighters. They've got the firepower.
    [/b][/quote]

    I'm sorry I am not an expert in military organization. I guess my opinions were based on W's guard service. What I meant by taking over domestic issues was manning the bases that soldiers on the frontlines vacated. And yes things like natural disasters and riots are something I would consider National Guard duty. But spending 17 consecutive months in combat is not my idea of what the guardsmen signed up for. [/b][/quote]
    "Your ideas" about what they signed up for don't have much merit, Section.

    EVERYTHING you ever post boils down to attacking Bush. It's crystal clear. You're a one-trick pony.

    There's nothing wrong with it, I suppose. It's your right to be that way.....

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 22 2004, 01:17 AM
    [b] In the past the guard was a place for people like Dubya to skip out on real combat. [/b][/quote]
    Look at it this way. There may be a future Republican president serving in the NG in Iraq or Afghanistan as we speak.

    It one less thing to get your panties in a bunch about when he runs for office.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Spirit of Weeb+Apr 22 2004, 07:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Spirit of Weeb @ Apr 22 2004, 07:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 22 2004, 01:17 AM
    [b] In the past the guard was a place for people like Dubya to skip out on real combat. [/b][/quote]
    Look at it this way. There may be a future Republican president serving in the NG in Iraq or Afghanistan as we speak.

    It one less thing to get your panties in a bunch about when he runs for office. [/b][/quote]
    Now that&#39;s funny and True .... but you forgot to say while a future Democratic President is most likely one of thoses running off to canada.....

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Apr 22 2004, 01:17 AM
    [b] The National Guard is like a volunteer fire department. They are used sparingly. [/b][/quote]
    Is there any topic you are not thoroughly ignorant about?

    Volunteer fire departments are used sparingly? VFDs cover well over 90 percent of the country. Not as appendages and helpers for paid fire departments, but as the ONLY responders for everything from ambulance calls and motor vehicle accidents to confined space rescues, structure fires and hazmat spills. 24/7/365.

    Tell my wife and kids I&#39;m used sparingly when my alarm goes off upwards of 1,000 times a year, no matter if it&#39;s in the middle of Christmas dinner, or at 4:00 a.m., or when I&#39;m in the middle of having a catch with the kids...

    Get a clue. It will be your first.

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