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    Did anyone see the pics of the soldiers posing with naked Iraqi prisoners? Shocking, right. I thought I was witnessing a Robert Maplethorpe photo gallery?

    I'm scratching my head wondering where the same outrage was when saddam and sons were feeding prisoners into human shreadding machines or their pet tigers.

    Where was the same outrage when men, women and children dissidents were suffering in the secret police rape rooms? Or fathers being forced upon their own daughters for republican guard amusement. Or the pictures of tens of millions of bodies dug out of the mass graves.

    Al Jazeera and the "arab street" are outraged. Perhaps if the photos showed the same prisioners being decapitated, all would be well.

    To this moment, silence about russia, china and north koreans treatment of their prisoners. Amnesty International, the Hague, the UN, NOW...hello, where are you?

    Head buried in the sand next the other anti-war idiots!

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    Time for the ACLU and the rest of the anti-american scum in this country to cry bloody murder.

    Funny, I didn't hear a peep out of them when 4 American soldiers bodies were burnt to a crisp and hung from a bridge. I didn't hear anyone from the arab world crying about that either.

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    [quote][b]I'm scratching my head wondering where the same outrage was......... [/b][/quote]

    The difference is, WE are supposed to be the "Moral Correct" nation, a nation that does not Murder, does not tortue, follows all the regulation of War and yada yada yada.....

    So, when pictures surface of US Soldiers, the HERO'S so many claim them to be, torturing or killing unarmed enemies, it kinds looks bad when you are claiming some kind of moral superiority.

    Doesn't make the liberals right, same way it doesn't make the conservatives right.

    Best thing that could happen in this world is for all the damn "Liberals" and "Conservatives" to fight a large war of their own, hopefully killing each other off, so a few of us Moderate Freedom loving Americans could actually get on with our lives.........

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    [quote][b]Did anyone see the pics of the soldiers posing with naked Iraqi prisoners? Shocking, right. I thought I was witnessing a Robert Maplethorpe photo gallery?[/b][/quote]


    Didn't you know Weeb ? Bush is bringing freedom to Iraq.


    [quote][b]I'm scratching my head wondering where the same outrage was when saddam and sons were feeding prisoners into human shreadding machines or their pet tigers.[/b][/quote]

    I never heard nor seen of that one. To me it sounds the product of a fertile imagination. Be that as it may for as bad as Hussein may have been many Iraqis preferred him over colonial occupation. And an increasing amount of anecdotal data indicates most Iraqis that rejoiced at the US overthrow of Hussein now regret such action after experiencing a year of occupation.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by pope[/i]@Apr 30 2004, 04:21 PM
    [b] Funny, I didn't hear a peep out of them when 4 American soldiers bodies were burnt to a crisp and hung from a bridge. I didn't hear anyone from the arab world crying about that either. [/b][/quote]
    Those 4 "Americans" were not soldiers. They were mercenaries hired by a private contractor.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by WestCoastMole[/i]@Apr 30 2004, 09:32 PM
    [b] [quote][b]I'm scratching my head wondering where the same outrage was when saddam and sons were feeding prisoners into human shreadding machines or their pet tigers.[/b][/quote]

    I never heard nor seen of that one. To me it sounds the product of a fertile imagination. [/b][/quote]
    Or an ingorant mind....quite like the brain dead one between your ears!

    It is a known fact one of Uday's favorite past times was putting his enemies through a plastic shredder...as one of the few survivors that escaped the toture said, "the lucky ones went through head first."

    It is also a known fact that your hero Sadaam's boys liked their women and totured the ones that turned down their ugly asses (an experience I'm sure you have daily). Anyway, as Weeb was alluding to, Usay wanted this one bride to be for himself and she told him "f^ck off dirtbag" (something you probably hear every weekend).

    As punishment for this he took her back to his place and promptly had her raped...for 21 straight days. Of course after that no one had use for her so she was then fed to the tigers in his back yard.


    Of course why doesn't it surprise me that you never heard of this....all it does is smear your hero Sadaam!

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    "Why are liberals so outraged about pix?"

    Bush referred to them as disgusting. The military is pressing charges.

    But, hey, according to this thread, Hussein did worse, so why the outrage?!!! Anyone with a clue would distance themselves from acts so repulsive, never mind attempt to defend them.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by nickledefense[/i]@May 1 2004, 12:18 AM
    [b] "Why are liberals so outraged about pix?"

    Bush referred to them as discusting. The military is pressing charges.

    But, hey, according to this thread, Hussein did worse, so why the outrage?!!! Anyone with a clue would distance themselves from acts so repulsive, never mind attempt to defend them. [/b][/quote]
    nickle that is the ethos of the Superpatriot, "Anything when done in the name of the state". Conduct that would be considered criminal in personal life becomes acceptable to the StuporPatriot who wraps himself in the flag.

    The stupidity of these crimes is unfathomable. Under Isalmic Law the consumption of alcohol is strictly prohibited. Those who participate in the production of pornography are beheaded if caught. [b]These clowns (the Maplethorpe Brigade) have handed the Iraqi Resistance, and Al Qaeda for that matter, a Propaganda Gold Mine.[/b] Recruitment should go through the roof now that these photos are up on Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya

    [url=http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/98692C2F-8950-4298-A2D0-354B11BBC470.htm]http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/986...54B11BBC470.htm[/url]


    Bin Laden must be licking his chops ! Way to go guys. ;)

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    [quote][b]The stupidity of these crimes is unfathomable. Under Isalmic Law the consumption of alcohol is strictly prohibited. Those who participate in the production of pornography are beheaded if caught. [b]These clowns (the Maplethorpe Brigade) have handed the Iraqi Resistance, and Al Qaeda for that matter, a Propaganda Gold Mine.[/b] Recruitment should go through the roof now that these photos are up on Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya

    [url=http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/98692C2F-8950-4298-A2D0-354B11BBC470.htm]http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/986...54B11BBC470.htm[/url]


    Bin Laden must be licking his chops ! Way to go guys. ;) [/b][/quote]

    Isn't it a known fact that several of the hijackers who took part in the 9-11 tragedy (a day of celebration for people like WCM who will eventually meet his fate like the rest of his Islamo-facist hero's) went to a strip joint the night of 9-10?

    The stupidity of the post by WCM is the belief that these specific pictures shown on anti-American/propaganda arab television networks will increase recruitment for more homicide bombers.....everything those networks broadcast are meant to make the camel jockey's from the ME hate Americans...this will do no more than the staged scenes they've broadcast in the past showing 11 year old boys driving "innocent" American killers from battle.....yet like the rest of the al-queda infidels a nice warmm place is awaiting them (the new recruits) in the depths of hell after the US Marines exterminate them from the face of the earth!

    As a Marine officer said in response to a question on Fallujah earlier this week, "we're just playing patty-cake with these people now" (and are kicking their asses-my ad lib).

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Warfish[/i]@Apr 30 2004, 05:17 PM
    [b] [quote][b]I'm scratching my head wondering where the same outrage was......... [/b][/quote]

    The difference is, WE are supposed to be the "Moral Correct" nation, a nation that does not Murder, does not tortue, follows all the regulation of War and yada yada yada.....

    So, when pictures surface of US Soldiers, [b]the HERO'S so many claim them to be[/b], torturing or killing unarmed enemies, it kinds looks bad when you are claiming some kind of moral superiority.

    Doesn't make the liberals right, same way it doesn't make the conservatives right.

    Best thing that could happen in this world is for all the damn "Liberals" and "Conservatives" to fight a large war of their own, hopefully killing each other off, so a few of us Moderate Freedom loving Americans could actually get on with our lives......... [/b][/quote]
    [i]The hero's so many claim them to be...[/i]

    A few bad apples doesn't make the whole bunch rotten. To me, a person that gives up his life VOLUNTARILY, his career VOLUNTARILY for a few measly bucks only to be shot at with the good possibility of giving it all up, giving up HIS or HER life-- IS A HERO any way you slice it.

    Geneva convention, my ass! Geneva convention means that only one country in the world abide by it -- the good, old US of A. We all forget one thing, these Iraqi prisoners were there because either they tried to kill your fellow American serviceman OR they ignored that same Geneva convention while they were cutting out another human beings tongue for something stupid like throwing out a newpaper with saddams picture on it. Scum of the scum!

    The few that did what they did, should be punished, but it doesn't diminish the fact that they volunteered for possibly one of the most dangerous job in the world for hardly any compensation. Not for money, not for fame -- but to serve you, I and even that dolt WCM.

    Believe it or not the left and right ARE in a war, a war for the survival of our country. I suppose since you are so moderate, you don't plan on voting. With Bush on the right and Kerry/Nader on the left poor Warfish is stuck right down the middle with no choice left to him.

    Don't worry, just go back to the important things in life like sticking a nightcrawler on a hook and catching a fish. Perhaps when the left and right finally polish each other off, and moderates like you are left to defend America from terrorism, you can keep al queda at bay by divulging the secrets of the wedge knot.

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    "Recruitment should go through the roof now that these photos are up on Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya"

    WCM, you are so correct on that.

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    I haven't seen these pictures. Are they anything like the Richard Speck prison video?

    The only thing I know about this case is the commanding officer of that prison is a "She" who looks like a "He". :lol:

    The one thing I take out of this episode, is that it is time to put this Co-ed Army, liberal nonsense to bed.

    [url=http://www.sptimes.com/2004/05/02/Worldandnation/General_repulsed_by_I.shtml]http://www.sptimes.com/2004/05/02/Worldand...lsed_by_I.shtml[/url]

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    "The only thing I know about this case is the commanding officer of that prison is a "She" who looks like a "He". The one thing I take out of this episode, is that it is time to put this Co-ed Army, liberal nonsense to bed."

    So that's what you got out of it! Blame it on a co-ed Army. Wonder if the British will too (not sure who headed things up when their photos were shot).

    BTW, I couldn't help but notice the smiley in your post. Not a laughing matter.

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    it's pretty nasty stuff what the US soldiers did. Making Iraquis masturbate on eachother..unfortunatelt torture happens all over the world.

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    So let me get this straight. Just because Saddam did all of those things to his people means we should be doing the same things? Hell yeah, I'm going to go out and humiliate some people, hell I might even torture them a little while I'm at it. I mean hell they're doing it in Iraq and a bunch of other countries. I guess that only makes it right. :rolleyes:

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Spirit of Weeb+May 1 2004, 11:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Spirit of Weeb @ May 1 2004, 11:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Warfish[/i]@Apr 30 2004, 05:17 PM
    [b] [quote][b]I&#39;m scratching my head wondering where the same outrage was......... [/b][/quote]

    The difference is, WE are supposed to be the "Moral Correct" nation, a nation that does not Murder, does not tortue, follows all the regulation of War and yada yada yada.....

    So, when pictures surface of US Soldiers, [b]the HERO&#39;S so many claim them to be[/b], torturing or killing unarmed enemies, it kinds looks bad when you are claiming some kind of moral superiority.

    Doesn&#39;t make the liberals right, same way it doesn&#39;t make the conservatives right.

    Best thing that could happen in this world is for all the damn "Liberals" and "Conservatives" to fight a large war of their own, hopefully killing each other off, so a few of us Moderate Freedom loving Americans could actually get on with our lives......... [/b][/quote]
    [i]The hero&#39;s so many claim them to be...[/i]

    A few bad apples doesn&#39;t make the whole bunch rotten. To me, a person that gives up his life VOLUNTARILY, his career VOLUNTARILY for a few measly bucks only to be shot at with the good possibility of giving it all up, giving up HIS or HER life-- IS A HERO any way you slice it.

    Geneva convention, my ass&#33; Geneva convention means that only one country in the world abide by it -- the good, old US of A. We all forget one thing, these Iraqi prisoners were there because either they tried to kill your fellow American serviceman OR they ignored that same Geneva convention while they were cutting out another human beings tongue for something stupid like throwing out a newpaper with saddams picture on it. Scum of the scum&#33;

    The few that did what they did, should be punished, but it doesn&#39;t diminish the fact that they volunteered for possibly one of the most dangerous job in the world for hardly any compensation. Not for money, not for fame -- but to serve you, I and even that dolt WCM.

    Believe it or not the left and right ARE in a war, a war for the survival of our country. I suppose since you are so moderate, you don&#39;t plan on voting. With Bush on the right and Kerry/Nader on the left poor Warfish is stuck right down the middle with no choice left to him.

    Don&#39;t worry, just go back to the important things in life like sticking a nightcrawler on a hook and catching a fish. Perhaps when the left and right finally polish each other off, and moderates like you are left to defend America from terrorism, you can keep al queda at bay by divulging the secrets of the wedge knot. [/b][/quote]
    OK, you completely misread my post, but that&#39;s ok, cause I&#39;m gonna crush you anyway.

    I suppose we need to get a few things cleared up, since you are obviously ignorant of a few facts:

    #1: Most (over 95%) of todays modern Millitary are not "a person that gives up his life VOLUNTARILY, his career VOLUNTARILY for a few measly bucks only to be shot at with the good possibility of giving it all up, giving up HIS or HER life" as you put it. Most are persons who either A: Wanted a free higher education so signed up thinking they would never see combat. Or B: Persons without much in the way of career aspirations who felt being a grunt was at least better than working at McDonalds. they ALSO never thought they would see combat. The minority are persons like Tilman, who signed up for true patriotic reasons.

    Don&#39; t try to make the US Army sound like some Grand Holy Army of God&#39;s Martyrs, becasue it isn&#39;t. It the same buch of stiffs in every OTHER low paying job. Except these guys had bad timing and happened to be in the millitary during war time. Ask them, and 99% would NOT want to give up their lives at all. And alot more than you think don&#39;t even want to be there now....we already HAD a Vietnam. A war we had no reason or right to be in in the first place, where the HERO&#39;S are killed for political gain and corporate profits and nothing more.

    #2: "Geneva convention, my ass&#33;" Ahhh, so lowering ourselves to their level is ok then? So why don&#39;t we start killing the children and women, you know, like we did in Vietnam&#33; Morals are supposed to stant for something, regardless of the situation. And AMERICAN Morals mean WE DO NOT TORTURE&#33;&#33;&#33; Of course, if we want to lower ourselves to Hussains and Bin Ladels level, it seems you would be fine with that. I&#39;m not.

    #3: "Not for money, not for fame -- but to serve you, I and even that dolt WCM." Again, you obviously know little about todays Millitary. Do you think they ALL signed up post 9/11 and REQUESTED Front line Martyr duty? Don&#39;t kid yourselves. The Millitary is a job, just like any other, and is dangerous, like alot of other jobs. These men (the good ones) deserve our respct for DOING the job, the same as police and a million other professions. The ones who torture desrve a Court Martial, as good ol&#39; Gov Bush himself even stated.

    And while we are on teh subject, exactly HOW is the war in Iraq defending me? No WMD&#39;s means no abillity to strike the USA. No Millitary (or not much of one) means no abillity to INVADE The USA. The most they could do is sponsor terrorism......like Syria, Egypt, France, Iran, Afganistan, Saudi Arabia (one of the worst) and a dozen other nations. Last I checked, we havn&#39;t invaded all of them, have we? This war was not about DEFENDING the USA and it never was. It was abut other things......I&#39;m sure you can figure it out.

    #4: "I suppose since you are so moderate, you don&#39;t plan on voting. " Nope. Without a legitimate choice, why should I??? A vote either way means issues I vehemently disagree with with be passed. I DON&#39;T have a coice, both are equally extremist and evil IMO. I will not debate all of the issues here, but people like me, people who like things like LOGIC, aren&#39;t given a decent choice these days. A vote, in either direction, is a vote for a dangerous extremist.

    #5: "Don&#39;t worry, just go back to the important things in life like sticking a nightcrawler on a hook and catching a fish. " Please, LOL. Because I fish for a hobby, what? Now I am a evil anti-American communist? Are you that retarded?

    What exacty, do YOU do to "defend America"? What, exactly, has been YOUR Sacrifice these days, that you feel you have the right to question the deeds of others?

    So, I take it from the gist of your rant that you are a right winger, eh? As uch, perhaps you should call up YOUR politcal reps and ask them the intelligence of allowing unlimited legal immigration from Mexico (and anywhere else, if they go throught Mexico). Certainly, THAT is more dangerous than anything Iraq had going AND it screws up the economy AND has some severe social and political ramifications as well.

    LOL, blasting me for fishing. Nice touch.

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    Nicely done, fisherman. But I think you were a bit harsh on poor Weebie.

    He&#39;s done his part. He bought an "America - Love It Or Leave It" bumpersticker.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by nickledefense[/i]@May 3 2004, 12:40 AM
    [b] "The only thing I know about this case is the commanding officer of that prison is a "She" who looks like a "He". The one thing I take out of this episode, is that it is time to put this Co-ed Army, liberal nonsense to bed."

    So that&#39;s what you got out of it&#33; Blame it on a co-ed Army. Wonder if the British will too (not sure who headed things up when their photos were shot).

    BTW, I couldn&#39;t help but notice the smiley in your post. Not a laughing matter. [/b][/quote]
    I&#39;m thorry. I feel so ashamed.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Warfish[/i]@May 4 2004, 01:29 AM
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    OK, you completely misread my post, but that&#39;s ok, cause I&#39;m gonna crush you anyway.

    I suppose we need to get a few things cleared up, since you are obviously ignorant of a few facts:

    #1: Most (over 95%) of todays modern Millitary are not "a person that gives up his life VOLUNTARILY, his career VOLUNTARILY for a few measly bucks only to be shot at with the good possibility of giving it all up, giving up HIS or HER life" as you put it. Most are persons who either A: Wanted a free higher education so signed up thinking they would never see combat. Or B: Persons without much in the way of career aspirations who felt being a grunt was at least better than working at McDonalds. they ALSO never thought they would see combat. The minority are persons like Tilman, who signed up for true patriotic reasons.

    Don&#39; t try to make the US Army sound like some Grand Holy Army of God&#39;s Martyrs, becasue it isn&#39;t. It the same buch of stiffs in every OTHER low paying job. Except these guys had bad timing and happened to be in the millitary during war time. Ask them, and 99% would NOT want to give up their lives at all. And alot more than you think don&#39;t even want to be there now....we already HAD a Vietnam. A war we had no reason or right to be in in the first place, where the HERO&#39;S are killed for political gain and corporate profits and nothing more.

    #2: "Geneva convention, my ass&#33;" Ahhh, so lowering ourselves to their level is ok then? So why don&#39;t we start killing the children and women, you know, like we did in Vietnam&#33; Morals are supposed to stant for something, regardless of the situation. And AMERICAN Morals mean WE DO NOT TORTURE&#33;&#33;&#33; Of course, if we want to lower ourselves to Hussains and Bin Ladels level, it seems you would be fine with that. I&#39;m not.

    #3: "Not for money, not for fame -- but to serve you, I and even that dolt WCM." Again, you obviously know little about todays Millitary. Do you think they ALL signed up post 9/11 and REQUESTED Front line Martyr duty? Don&#39;t kid yourselves. The Millitary is a job, just like any other, and is dangerous, like alot of other jobs. These men (the good ones) deserve our respct for DOING the job, the same as police and a million other professions. The ones who torture desrve a Court Martial, as good ol&#39; Gov Bush himself even stated.

    And while we are on teh subject, exactly HOW is the war in Iraq defending me? No WMD&#39;s means no abillity to strike the USA. No Millitary (or not much of one) means no abillity to INVADE The USA. The most they could do is sponsor terrorism......like Syria, Egypt, France, Iran, Afganistan, Saudi Arabia (one of the worst) and a dozen other nations. Last I checked, we havn&#39;t invaded all of them, have we? This war was not about DEFENDING the USA and it never was. It was abut other things......I&#39;m sure you can figure it out.

    #4: "I suppose since you are so moderate, you don&#39;t plan on voting. " Nope. Without a legitimate choice, why should I??? A vote either way means issues I vehemently disagree with with be passed. I DON&#39;T have a coice, both are equally extremist and evil IMO. I will not debate all of the issues here, but people like me, people who like things like LOGIC, aren&#39;t given a decent choice these days. A vote, in either direction, is a vote for a dangerous extremist.

    [/b][/quote]
    Let me address some points of your post speaking for a person in the military.

    1 & 3 - Your more wrong then right on this paragraph. We are more like Tillman then you give us credit for. While the college money, that is not exactly free, is there to entice people and some people do seek a better life, being in the military or a policeman/fireman is more a calling for lack of better term. People have to committ 3, 4, 5, 6 years of there lives to earn that money (which they contribute to their first year). You do not make this commitment just to get 10K towards college. You have to want to be there. For me I always wanted to be in the military, but I have come across people that were going nowhere in life and tried the Army. Some succeded. Some failed. I will say, the soldiers that do Rangers, Special Forces and Green Berets and the other Elite soldier from the other services do have a calling even greater then mine. Another point you miss, is being unlucky because we are at war. The Army has been deployed to someplace just about my entire time in the Army. It started with Panama, Saudi, Somalia, Yugoslavia, etc. With as much that makes it on TV, you would have to live in a cave to not realize joining the Armed Forces would not take you to a place that would put your life at risk.

    2 - Those soldiers should be punished for this. No doubt about it. Even the lame excuse the lawyer said about &#39;following orders&#39; is complete BS. AT least in the Army, from day 1 I might add, you are taught about the Mai Lai Massacre when a Lieutenant order his platoon to wipe-out a village in Vietnam. We have to follow orders, unless they are morally wrong and humiliating the prisoners is just that.

    4 - You just do not get it. Your non-vote is a vote for Bush/Kerry. Instead of needing two votes to overcome your vote they only need one. Now, how is that exactly making a statement?

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