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    This has to be the beer talking....

    But I guess I gotta say it. Bradway's done, overall (there is little question in my mind that the Barrett contract was a flat out stupid move), a nice job this offseason.

    Tongue, while hardly a premier player, is a solid veteran addition to the Jets weak secondary. While Barrett's contract is abysmal, Barrett himself is another warm body in the secondary, a young one with upside to boot.

    The Barton signing was a flat out good move.

    Bradway is, FINALLY, making some of the much needed cuts.

    You can quibble with where Vilma was drafted, but not with the need (whatever you think of Hobson+Cowart+Barton, the Jets LB depth was abysmal), and Vilma himself is a heck of a player who (and I can't emphasize this enough) [i]in the right system, and with proper understanding by the defensive coordinator[/i] has the potential to be a Brian Urlacher (imo a better comparison than Ray Lewis) type talent, and an impact player for the Jets defense.

    Derrick Strait, another player who's success may depend on the system he's in, and the wisdom of the defensive coordinator, was a steal in the 3rd round, and has a strong chance to be a great #2 CB, or even a good to great #1 CB. Like any prospect, there's a real chance of failure, but as DBs who aren't physical freaks go, there aren't many better than Strait.

    Jericho Cotchery, while a pick that apprantly elicited some bafflement on draft day, was also an excellent pick, a productive college WR with solid physical tools who fills a critical position of need: Moss and McCareins should be a fine top two, but Wayne Chrebet is at this stage a complete question mark, and any production from him should be considered a bonus, but not counted on. If Chrebet is done, Cotchery provides a decent young insurance policy at #3. If he isn't done, Cotchery will have the chance to develop slowly, as a solid #4 option, and to be groomed for a future role in the top 3. Without a player such as Cotchery, the Jets WR corps would be critically thin.

    After that, I havn't cared to immerse myself in doing due diligence on the rest of the Jets draft, but for the purposes of this post I'll assume it was reasonably solid.

    I would also like to note that the lack of an extension for Pennington is thus far an encouraging sign: if CP has a good or great season, it will be a relatively easy matter to franchise or transition tag him and agree to a long term extension.... if he has a poor year, the value of not having signed him to an elite, long term massive QB contract will be immeasurable: the Jets will be able to sign him long term cheaply or pursue other options.

    Having Pennington unsigned is a low risk/high reward proposition.

    The part-time switch to the 3-4 is a smart move: Ellis (3-4 DE), D-Rob (NT), and Abraham (3-4 OLB) are all particularly well suited for the 3-4.

    While the team still has broad depth issues, the DL, LB corps, secondary, and WR corps are no longer anemic. The OL is still fairly thin, but as NFL teams go the Jets are not in a horrible situation.

    With good coaching (and that's the big question mark) the Jets should be as good as any non New England team in the AFCE as soon as the team begins to gel (and with a new DC and system, when the team gels is a bit of a question.)


    Still, I've ripped Bradway up and down on this board, and I feel like I should give credit where credit is due.... the guy finally put together a decent offseason.

    But again, that could just be the beer talking.

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    Nice, well thought out post. It's not often I enjoy reading what Patriot fans have to say so when I see something Pro-Jets I have to really inhale it B) .

    ps~ It's ok, you can become a Jets fan now, I don't mind.

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    Rs you are the man, a fan of the other side thinking that we could be nice this year with the greatest changes since parcells ran the team,
    I can tell you knwo that penny is going to be resign before the season so dont you worry about him

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by JetsFan 51[/i]@May 1 2004, 03:05 AM
    [b] Rs you are the man, a fan of the other side thinking that we could be nice this year with the greatest changes since parcells ran the team,
    I can tell you knwo that penny is going to be resign before the season so dont you worry about him [/b][/quote]
    Don't get me wrong: I'm not predicting the Jets will have a great year.... I'm just saying that they do have the guns to have a very good year if things break their way.

    Bradway has done his job.... the roster's still far from being a world beater, but it's strong enough for the Jets to be legit contenders for the playoffs if things go smoothly.

    The AFCE remains very strong. The Patriots are (and I'm being modest here) stacked, the Dolphins return every meaningful player from their 10-4 against non-SB winner defense (with the possible exception of Ogunleye) and add two nice offensive chips in Carey and Boston. The Bills.... well, I'm dubious, but on paper their defense is still quality, they have two quality RBs (assuming McGahee's for real), and they added a badly needed WR threat in Evans (although again, rookie receivers are seldom impact players).

    If Herm's as bad as some on this board think he is.... well, '04 could be plenty bad for the Jets.

    If Herm can do a good job, and if things break right, the Jets could potentially be a 10-6 team, maybe even better if everything clicks, the OL works well, and the injury gods are kind (the Jets aren't yet at the point of depth where they could withstand injuries '03 Patriots style.

    Still, as long as you're realistic, there's plenty of reason for Jets fans to be optimistic.

    And in regards to me becoming a Jets fan.... god forbid. That would be like leaving a supermodel wife who dotes on you for a girl from the wrong side of the tracks who's been around the block one to many times. And that's putting it kindly.

    No offense.

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    [quote][b]Don't get me wrong: I'm not predicting the Jets will have a great year.... I'm just saying that they do have the guns to have a very good year if things break their way.
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    This is why I feel this is Herm's year, his job very well could be on the line if he doesn't show any progression because he now has the tools to succeed.

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    The fins?? please no line but carey, and A.J. Fealy what a good QB
    It is definatly b/w the Jets and the Pats this year for the AFC East

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by JetsFan 51[/i]@May 1 2004, 03:20 AM
    [b] The fins?? please no line but carey, and A.J. Fealy what a good QB
    It is definatly b/w the Jets and the Pats this year for the AFC East [/b][/quote]
    that's the kind of thing I can't agree with.

    Bradway's done a (f***, I hate saying this) good job this offseason, but that just means the Jets are no longer the weak sister of the AFCE.

    Feeley doesn't scare me much more than Fiedler did, but then again he doesn't scare me much less either.

    If Boston clicks, along with Chambers, McMichael, and Williams, that offense could be nasty enough depsite the OL and QB questions, and if the Ogunleye situation settles itself out Miami will be perfectly credible.

    Although this year, and this isn't arrogance, there's New England and then there's everyone else in the division. Not that NE's a lock to win it, but NE's just a clear cut above.

    Jet's fans have plenty of reason to feel hopeful, but I don't think the Jets are the clear cut #2 in the division or anything.

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    RS, if there has been a harsher critic of TB than yourself ... it's been ole GJ&H himself

    Yet I completely agree that TB has had what appears to be some sort of epiphany :D

    Funny how a man will often exceed his own ability when he can sense the lynch-mob is forming :ph34r:

    But all kidding aside, I have to give TB a great deal of credit ... when everything was on the line he certainly passed the test ... gave the faithful some hope that perhaps he's gettin the knack of this GM thing afterall ... dare I say it, he may have had as good an off-season as we have seen around these parts in many moons

    I will only add that he owes a dept of gratitude to 31 other GM's for completely botching the Derrick Strait evaluation ... and you are not wrong ... THEY DID

    To TB's credit, he had the wisdom/foresight to turn their mistake into his good fortune by not following suit

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    what?? Rs dont give me that
    Fins with that D the does worse then it should
    It should be a real tight year this year in the AFC East
    Hell this whole year is going to be interesting

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    One more thing, cause I haven't discussed Cotchery much

    That was another pick I loved in the 4th Rd

    Why?

    Cause if you look at his production ... actual numbers ... they are right there with the best WR's at the very top of this draft class ... and we're talkin about a WR class for the ages

    I kid you not ... look it up ... Cotchery's numbers are downright staggering ... right there with the elite WR's of what many are calling one of the all-time WR classes

    Now that's not to say he's Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Reggie Williams, or even Lee Evans ... but that is some kinda value in the 4th Rd

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    Cotchery is another Cherbet, he is there to push him,
    this year Cotchery will push cherbet, cherbet will have a good season

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    Man, RS, you must have really been drunk.

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    hehehehehe, RS coming out of the closet..............where can I send you your official Jet beads? :P Don't worry, no flashing required unless I know that you truly bleed green........ :D

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by The Troll[/i]@May 1 2004, 05:41 AM
    [b] Man, RS, you must have really been drunk. [/b][/quote]
    Oh god, you have no idea.

    I take it all back. Bradway bl***.

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    Bradway has done a solid job since arriving but people want to discount the salary cap hell he was left with by Parcells and only see one side of the situation.

    Bradway actually had an interest in the future (Coles, Thomas) of this team as opposed to just the 4 year run the Coward Parcells worried about. It's too late for the haters to now kiss this guys a$$, it's pathetic. Just like the Moss haters who hated him because the guy had a serious knee injury now all of a sudden they love him.......vomit.

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    i disagree about David Barrett - he's young, in great shape (4.4 speed, 4% body fat) and played against the league's best WR in the NFC West - without a pass rush - the last guy no one knew about that was signed from the Cards was Corey Chavous and he went to the pro bowl - yes it was at Free Safety, but the point still stands.

    also in case you guys were wondering i worked up an in depth analysis of the JETS second day picks
    here's an excerpt:

    [quote][b]4th round: Jerricho Cotchery: WR: NC State

    Jerricho was the clutch target of QB Phillip Rivers (4th overall, traded to Chargers) and is most well known for his precise route running and great hands. Not a speed burner (4.5 40 yard dash) but also not scared to go over the middle; Jerricho is the type of player who can step in as the “3rd down specialist” after Wayne retires. Shows good physicality breaking the jam, and when one considers this plus the skills listed above it adds up to make Jerricho one of the most pro-ready WR in the entire NFL draft. A quality second day selection, and not the type of “stud” (such as Roy Williams or Larry Fitzgerald) who if selected by the JETS would have thrown a serious cog into Santana Moss’ negotiations with the franchise. Great value and should contribute right away through special teams and some WR work.

    4th round: Adrian Jones: OT: Kansas

    Adrian was a former tight end who has the athleticism and explosion that scouts covet in offensive linemen. He certainly has the agility for offensive tackle however the first fact that jumped out to this observer was his nearly identical body dimensions as starting OG Brandon Moore. He’s 6-4 297 and Moore is 6-3.5 and 295. The JETS have a gaping hole at OG and while I’ve heard it said by Terry (and others) that he’s a tackle and you don’t waste such talents at guard, my take is you don’t waste guys on the bench while you play scrubs ahead of them, regardless of position. Also it should be noted that 6-4 is a on the short side for NFL OT, as these guys need a long wingspan to shove rush ends past the pocket. In addition, his mobility and athleticism would fit in well with Hackett’s misdirection WCO running attack. A lot of this player’s ultimate usage (i.e. tackle or guard) will depend on the franchise’s plan for RFA OT Kareem MacKensie. If they don’t think they can sign him (and he is troublingly represented by the same agent as Rams OT Orlando Pace), then the team will groom him as an OT. If not they should get on the stick and see if Adrian can make the jump to starting OG right away. Either way a quality player and a great pick, with real starter potential, the only question is exactly where.

    5th Round: Erik Coleman: Washington State

    Like Vilma and Strait, Coleman is a player known more for his exploits on the field then in pre-draft workouts. He has leadership, moxie and flat out makes it happen. Although out of all the picks, this is the one that can be questioned the most, as there were decent alternatives such as ASU’s Jason Shivers still on the board - that being said the guys in the scouting department know more than I do, and a case can be made Erik was value. There can be no doubt that Erik was a real leader for the Cougars. After the 2003 UCLA game, the UCLA head coach flippantly remarked that if Coleman didn’t make all-Pac10 that year, “there is no God.” While we might not condone his choice of words, the point is that Coleman is a serious player, and is more football quick than his less than stellar times would have you believe. Erik is an impact playmaker that was named both the Pac-10 defensive player and special teams player of the week… in the same week. Another guy who Assistant Head Coach Mike Westoff will love to use on special teams and in light of the JETS unsettled defensive back corps, Erik could even muscle his way into the starting lineup at some point.

    6th Round: Marko Cavka: OT: Cal-Davis Sacramento

    Marko is a player who will be familiar to readers of draftdaddy.com as a player highlighted for his great value if selected on the [url="”"] draft’s second day.[/url] A Croatian national who moved to California in high school, Marko actually ran a faster shuttle drill than the Oakland Raiders’ #2 overall selection Robert Gallery. While clearly not in Gallery’s class at this point, guys with Marko’s frame (6-8) and agility are rare commodities in the NFL. He really impressed scouts with his athleticism, as evidenced not only by outstanding drills but by his abdominal ‘six-pack’ – something you don’t see on 300-pounders too often. Even though he started 42 games in college, Cavka is the type of player that will need a couple seasons to marinate, as he needs to work on strength, and learn the nuances of the position. However in the 6th round, this is exactly the type of player the JETS needed to take – high upside, frame to grow without impacting speed, with the potential to be a starter. This is a drastic departure from previous drafts, when Terry seemed to be drafting backups and career special-teamers with second day selections. Statistically, Cavka could miss more likely than he hits but if he hits will be a starter for a decade, maybe even an all-pro. Very much boom or bust, but as noted at this point in the draft you can’t ask for much more out of a pick than the chance for greatness.

    7th Round: Darrell McClover: LB: Miami

    Again Terry tabs a Miami linebacker, and why the heck not? They run a great program, with intense practices and pro-style tempo in everything they do. The lackadaisical JETS need some of that, especially in their defense. McClover ran a faster 40 time than Jon Vilma and DJ Williams and as the third starting linebacker, made plays with quickness and aggression. The JETS defense needs speed and Darrell brings that, plus he could even work out as a monster-back/SS at his current height/weight. A real sleeper that had the rare privilege of having his highlights aired during ESPN’s second day, in between their interviews of coaches, first round picks and generally ignoring what was happening on the stage.

    7th Round: Trevor Johnson: DE: Nebraska

    Trevor is another selection that has great intangibles. Previous winner of the Nebraska offseason conditioning contest, Trevor is a weight-room junkie whose dedication off the field is only matched by his relentless motor on it. Good edge rusher who uses his hands well and gets off the snap with hop. Trevor power cleaned 381 (!) and is a former TE with good hands and great agility. Needs to bulk up some, but with John Abraham, Shaun Ellis and Matt Walters as free agents after this season the backup DE position was one that needed to be addressed.


    7th Round: Derrick Ward: RB: Ottawa

    By the time draft rolled around, Derrick Ward was the trendy sleeper pick for many outlets. He started his career at Fresno State, but injury and academic troubles led him to smaller Ottawa University (KS) where he was outstanding. At 5-11 and 233 he’s got Lamont Jordan’s rare size, and although did not time quite as fast in the forty as Lamont, he still beat 2004 first-rounders such as Stephen Jackson, Chris Perry and Kevin Jones. Known for his acceleration and burst, and for creating his own holes where there are none, Derrick is the type of player that could stick as a backup running back, should the JETS decide not to resign Lamont Jordan. The type of guy that had he stuck at Fresno State would have had his name called a lot earlier. A great 7th round pick any way you look at it.

    7th Round: Rashaad Washington: SS: Kansas State

    Did the JETS save the best for last? Could be with their pick of strong safety Rashaad Washington out of K-State. Despite somewhat slow 4.57 time on the stopwatch, Rashaad has quickness, running well and showing great range making plays on the football field. A converted tailback, Rashaad has only played the position for a relatively short time, but in that time has proven himself a capable defender. Given the JETS unsettled long-term strong safety he could work his way into the starting lineup after a season, or perhaps sooner. A long-time favorite sleeper of JI.com draftnik Green Jets & Ham, and for those who know Ham, that’s high praise.

    Undrafted Players to Watch:

    Jarrell Weaver S, Miami
    Faster than Vilma, Williams and McClover, Weaver stole the show at the Miami pro day running a blinding 4.37. At 6’0 207 the JETS will try to convert him to strong safety, and with those numbers, why not? Should he make the team his 40 would be better than all defensive backs besides Jon McGraw.

    Brandon Westbrook, OT, Middle Tennessee State
    Dominated lower level competition from the tackle spot, and pre-draft was considered late round by many sources. Top Sun Belt offensive line prospect for years is considered coachable, aware and a leader.

    Josh Davis, RB/KR, Nebraska
    Holds Nebraska and big 12 record for Kickoff return yards over a career (2,265). The JETS need a KR and Westoff is probably itching to get his hands on this kid.

    John Paul Foschi TE, Georgia Tech
    Glen Head native went to high school at Chaminade and will get his shot to make good here in NY.
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    Fairly solid and classy post RS.

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    The Jets under Bradway, finally had some cap room to make moves this offseason.

    Since 2001, The largest signing bonus that The Jets doled out for a free agent was Donnie Abraham. That was like 3 million.

    The Jets had spent their time signing bargain basement players like Josh Evans, Dave Szott, Matthew Hatchette, Donnie Abraham, Aaron Beasley, Doug Brien, Damien Robinson, Tyrone Carter,Brent Smith, Steve White etc etc etc

    They just didn't have the money to go after anyone they wanted on a premium level or keep anybody.

    So, This offseason. They had the money to play with and were able to finally get rid of dead wood from a previous regime. They couldn't in years passed.

    The jury is still out on Bradway and this regime, It's been an up and down performance. Some success, Some Failure. The Jets are a better team right now talentwise, than they were at the end of The 2003 season.

    How much better????? That remains to be seen. Staying relatively healthy would help big time. There are so many teams that are close in talent that if you lose your QB, Best Pass Rusher, Best DT, Best CB etc.... You are going to lose more games.

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    nice post RS. my only question has to do with the Barrett contract. not than i'm really eager to re-open this can of worms (i know you've posted extensively on this in the past), but i was under the impression that much of your criticism of that contract had to do with a misunderstanding over the signing bonus. once it became clear (is it clear? i think so...) that it was a 24 million rather than 31 million dollar contract (i'm not sure those are the right numbers, but i think so -- and they include the 7 million bonus), doesn't Barrett's contract line up with other young, average to above average corners?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by gaffneycatch[/i]@May 1 2004, 02:08 PM
    [b] nice post RS. my only question has to do with the Barrett contract. not than i'm really eager to re-open this can of worms (i know you've posted extensively on this in the past), but i was under the impression that much of your criticism of that contract had to do with a misunderstanding over the signing bonus. once it became clear (is it clear? i think so...) that it was a 24 million rather than 31 million dollar contract (i'm not sure those are the right numbers, but i think so -- and they include the 7 million bonus), doesn't Barrett's contract line up with other young, average to above average corners? [/b][/quote]
    If Barrett busts the Jets have an out after one year at minimal cost, once again RS looks at very little when it comes to facts.

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