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    As you know I was at teh world premiere screening last night and as such I offer my critical breakdown of the motion picture as I saw it, please understand taht this critical analysis will include what the insiders refer to as spoilers, terefore if you do not desire for the plot features to be revealed to your eyes, do not scroll down....now without further ado here is my review

























































    Yo, that movie was pretty damn good :D

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    Better than your Sopranos insights :D

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    ok seriously now, this will include spoilers so buyer beware....
































    Firstly the movie is truly an epic in terms of broadness and grandeur, clocking in at nearly three hours, the sets were huge, dramatic and beautiful the fight scenes were beautifully choreographed and the battles were convincing

    When viewing this movie I have to compare it to two recent war epics, first The Last Samurai and secondly Return of the King, Sadly i must say that Troy does not beat either film in any way shape or form, now that is not particularly a bad thing as both films were great with similar battle scenes and such, but Troy is close but not better than the others

    The acting was believeable and Brad Pitt was outstanding, Orlando Bloom was good but Eric Bana was great as Hector

    I am a big fan of greek mythology and grew up reading the Illiad and the Oddessy and other mythological writings and sadly this was one thing taht the movie steered clear of and I believe my disappointment would lie in that fact

    there was little to no mention of teh Gods or mythological creatures, yes they mentioned Poseidon and Appollo once or twice but they steered away from having 'magic' or godly interaction in the battles or even showing the gods like they did in movies such as Clash of the Titans

    AChilles was known as the half God- half human warrior and this was referenced only by a boy asking Achilles if this were true and Pitt just looked at him and there was a scene in which Pitt met with his mother in human form and there was no reference or any inclination that she was a god, there was no mention about Achilles being protected and dipped in the magic water and held by his heel which in turn was supposedly his only weak spot on his body

    for sume reason Wolfgang Peterson wanted to make this movie more like an ancient war movie than a movie about pagan worshippers that believed in mythological creatures and actions by their gods, I went in to the movie expecting more of taht and left a bit disappointed, but if you did not know anything about those things then you might have enjoyed it more


    and oh yeah, for the ladies....Brad Pitt was yoked up in the movie and they showed his butt several times and I swear if you listen close enough you could hear the womanly juices flowing in the crowd at the theatre ;)

    anyway, can't wait for more insight when you guys check it out this weekend, overall it was a good movie and should do very well in the box office

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    Thanks for the review...now how about a little Vida

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    sounds like my review, no mention of the gods makes it very unhomeric

    anyone else see it yet??

    [quote][b][b][SIZE=3]Review: 'Troy' has guts, glory but no heart[/SIZE][/b]
    By Paul Clinton
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    Friday, May 14, 2004 Posted: 8:27 AM EDT (1227 GMT)

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    (CNN) -- "Troy," at a reported budget of somewhere between $170 million and $200 million, delivers a story of epic proportions, with plenty of blood and gore and highly sophisticated computer effects.

    Unfortunately, even director Wolfgang Petersen ("Das Boot" 1981, "The Perfect Storm" 2000, and "Air Force One" 1997), along with screenwriter David Benioff, cannot wrestle Homer's 2,700-year-old, 15,693-line poem "The Iliad" down to the time frame of a feature-length film.

    There is a lot of guts and glory here, but not a lot of heart.

    At best, this is a very loose adaptation of Homer's work (it has to be), and therein lies the rub.

    In the original work, the Greek and Trojan gods play major roles in the story and in the battles. In this version, the gods play no part whatsoever. So there is no golden apple from Eris, the goddess of discord, and Aphrodite does not promise Prince Paris the most beautiful woman in the world -- Helen, Queen of Sparta (German actress Diane Kruger).

    There is no back story on the three major players, Achilles (Brad Pitt), Prince Hector of Troy (Eric Bana), and Prince Paris of Troy (Orlando Bloom), and therefore it's hard to identify with them in any real way.

    With no central hero for the audience to identify with, "Troy" is ultimately a character-driven ensemble piece -- in which all of the characters are deeply flawed, and none is all good nor all evil.

    Achilles is arrogant, self-absorbed and concerned only with his own legend. They try to soften his image with a subplot involving Hector's cousin Briseis (Rose Byrne), with whom he falls in love, but this twist feels like it's stuffed into the plot. It isn't even in Homer's poem -- but then again, neither is the Trojan horse used at the end of the film.

    Paris is a spoiled brat who lacks courage and lets lust -- not love -- rule his actions. The movie tries to make Helen more sympathetic than in Homer's version, but she still comes off as a bit of a ditz. Hector is the closest to a traditional hero in this kind of action/adventure film, but his character doesn't really follow the formula either.

    Peter O'Toole, as King Priam of Troy, lends much-needed weight to the project, but his supporting character is not meant to be a hero or carry the dramatic arc of the film. Not that this is necessarily bad, it just may not be the kind of storyline format that audiences are used to, and some may feel cheated with characters who are hard to root for.


    Troy's Prince Paris, played by Orlando Bloom, left, steals Helen Queen of Sparta, played by Diane Kruger, away from Sparta's King Menelaus.
    The story begins with Paris falling in love with Helen during a one-week period when he, and his brother Hector, are signing a peace treaty with her husband, King Menelaus of Sparta (Brendan Gleeson).

    With lust burning in his breast, and with little or no consideration of the consequences of their actions, Paris sweeps Helen off to Troy and away from her older husband.

    Menelaus, in turn, appeals to his brother, the ambitious and power-hungry Agamemnon, king of the Mycenaeans (Brian Cox). Agamemnon could care less about his brother's dilemma, but he seizes upon the opportunity to attack Troy for the purposes of expanding his kingdom. Hence, Helen becomes the face that launched a thousand ships (or is it Achilles? He's just as pretty).

    Stubborn Achilles

    Agamemnnon has just one little problem: his greatest warrior, Achilles, holds the king in contempt and must be persuaded to fight.

    What saves the day is that Achilles (and seemly everyone else involved) thinks that this battle will go down in history and his name will live forever. Over and over again, Achilles and other characters makes references to this supposed fact. Did they all know Homer was going to write his poem three hundred years later?


    Peter O'Toole, left, and Orlando Bloom appear in a scene from "Troy."
    Those are the film's major flaws. But Petersen's muscular direction, his brilliant manipulations of thousands of extras, his quick eye for historical details, and his stunning use of computer-generated effects make the two major battle scenes leap off the screen.

    In addition, the final showdown between Hector and Achilles is spectacular. Petersen captures the brutality of warfare, and in the end this comes off as an anti-war film by underlining the futility of slaughtering men on battlefields in the name of power, land, or even love.

    "Troy" is a rip-roaring action flick with lots of adrenaline -- not to mention testosterone. The question is, with so much blood and guts on the evening news, will people want to rush out and see more on the big screen -- even if it does feature Pitt in a short leather skirt?

    One small warning: there is a scene in which a soldier's dead body is dragged through the streets behind a chariot. I don't know about you, but for me, that was a little too close to home for entertainment at this time.

    "Troy" opens nationwide on Friday, May 14, is rated "R," and runs 163 minutes.[/b][/quote]

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    Brad Pitt's ass!

    I'm so there......! :lol:

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    Ack. Wooden horses are so passe.

    [img]http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/jpgs/rabbitre.jpg[/img]
    ;)

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    no other reviews yet???

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    no other reviews yet???

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Mean Bro Green[/i]@May 16 2004, 01:23 PM
    [b] no other reviews yet??? [/b][/quote]
    Van Helsing was pretty good! :D

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    Yeah, I want to see Van Helsing and Man on Fire. Cant wait.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Vinny025[/i]@May 16 2004, 06:59 PM
    [b] Yeah, I want to see Van Helsing and Man on Fire. Cant wait. [/b][/quote]
    Haven't seen Man on Fire yet but Van Helsing was pretty good, I saw it yesterday.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by ARodKeyWestJetsFan+May 16 2004, 05:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (ARodKeyWestJetsFan @ May 16 2004, 05:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mean Bro Green[/i]@May 16 2004, 01:23 PM
    [b] no other reviews yet??? [/b][/quote]
    Van Helsing was pretty good&#33; :D [/b][/quote]
    I heard Van Helsing SUCKED and people were walking out of the movie&#33;&#33;&#33; :blink:

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    It was a good movie, but calling it an epic is a bit overboard.

    It was average at best, it&#39;s storyline average and it&#39;s fight scenes average.

    In my personal opinion, it has nothing on Gladiator.

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    Go and see Man On Fire.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by MiamiJet[/i]@May 17 2004, 03:07 PM
    [b] Go and see Man On Fire. [/b][/quote]
    That&#39;s what we were going to see, and we switched to Troy at the last second.

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    Don&#39;t want to start anything here Bro but Brad&#39;s ass must have made quite an impression for you to add it in your review. All that Odessy crap was just filler huh?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Bigdidyo[/i]@May 17 2004, 03:38 PM
    [b] Don&#39;t want to start anything here Bro but Brad&#39;s ass must have made quite an impression for you to add it in your review. All that Odessy crap was just filler huh? [/b][/quote]
    <_<

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    j/k bro

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Bigdidyo[/i]@May 17 2004, 03:45 PM
    [b] j/k bro [/b][/quote]
    whats up with those cane tickets??

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