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    Al-Qa'ida's biggest asset, in their war against us, is our laws, and our freedoms.

    They have a perpetual trojan horse. They can't be defeated, as things are, and they know this.

    If their mission, if their goal, is to destroy the United States, they have us in check mate.

    Think about it.

    If we change, or compromise the status quo- "as things are"- they have achieved one of their biggest goals, and that is to shame us.

    But if we don't suspend rights such as freedom of religion, they maintain their perpetual trojan horse.

    We're being done in by our own ideals, by maniacs, and the only way to stop them, is to compromise ourselves.

    It's a brilliant strategy.

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    No comments?

    Al-Qa'ida's greatest asset in it's war on the USA, is our constitution.

    The US's greatest liability in it's war against Al-Qa'ida is our constitution.


    This doesn't concern anybody?

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    The problem is if we change our constitution we give up the freedoms that the Nation was built on. To add an emergancy ammendment to it giving Congress and the President emergency power during a time of crisis which will be reviewed by congress every 6 months and voted on at that time to extend or not. The Emergency power will include shutting down imigration, overseas travel etc.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by jetman67[/i]@May 13 2004, 08:17 AM
    [b] The problem is if we change our constitution we give up the freedoms that the Nation was built on. To add an emergancy ammendment to it giving Congress and the President emergency power during a time of crisis which will be reviewed by congress every 6 months and voted on at that time to extend or not. The Emergency power will include shutting down imigration, overseas travel etc. [/b][/quote]
    It's quite a dilemma. As long as it remains so, Al-Qa'ida has a perpetual trojan horse.

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    Moses,

    You are right, it's a brilliant strategy. However, what do YOU propose we do? Burn up the constitution and enact a dicatorship for war means, that will never fly in this country? I tell you one thing though...Saddam sure as hell didn't have problems with terrorism...

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    Moses - the burden is on them. They have been using terrorism against Israel and the West for over 50 years. It has accomplished nothing. Their goals are actually farther from being acheived now then they were earlier. Yes, we cannot "end" terrorism. Yes, our liberties increase our vulnerability. Yes, there are trade-offs between security and liberty that have to be constantly balanced. All we can do is continue living as we do and let the terrorists realize that we will never stop coming after them and that no matter what short-term pain they inflict, they will not prevail.

    People always say that Israel has been fighint terrorism with force for a long time and look, terrorism still exists...as if that is proof that the Israeli strategy is futile. People like that have a fundamental misunderstanding of logic and power. What has 50 years of terrorism acheived for the arabs and Palestinians? Turn around that equation. Their living situations are WORSE now than they were when Israel was originally created. Israel is not a weak country, it is a strong country and it is a lot stronger than it was when terrorism began. It has a deomcratic society, great schools and flourishing free-markets. Yes, they deal with violence and bombings in their cafes. That is beyond their control. They are surrounded by people who outnumber them 25 to 1 who are determined to kill them. Yet, they flourish. Terrorism has made the situation of the 'Palestinians' far, far worse, not better. There are no signs that it is even trending towards better.

    The burden is on TERRORISTS to prove that their goals can be acheived through terror. Israel and the USA and the WEST have [i]already[/i] achieved their goals. The struggle now is to maintain them.

    We are affluent, tolerant and liesurely in this country. Our poor people are actually fat and we are the first culture to have have the problem of it's poor people eating too much, as opposed to starving. "Poverty" in this country includes people who have 2 Tvs, a Car, a Microwave and a cell phone. Our standard of living is very high. It is due to free and open private markets abnd a government that is legitimate enough to enforce contracts and maintain public confidence in the money supply. Free markets are erupting all over the globe, raising the standard of living for most civilians. It is a pinfully sloe process and seems to move at a glacial pace at times, but one of the main regions (aside from Africa) that free markets and rising living standards is not found is in the ME.

    People in the West have forgotten what it took to achieve all of this. None of us has had to fight for freedom, so we don't instantly recognize threats to it. The marine barracks in Lebanon, the Khobar Towers, the Iran hostage crisis, the 1993 WTC attack, these things made us shake our heads momentarily, as we paused breifly before getting back to the World Series, Nintendo, or what was happening on 90210 that week. Then, 9-11 occurred and we awoke. Democracies may take a while to wake, but once we awaken, we fight and fight long and hard. We are more than willing to absorb horrifying short-term sacrifices. We have done it all throughout our history and there is no reason to think we cannot do it once again.

    The only way we can lose is if the "useful idiots" in the West allow us to. These are morons who would rather bicker among ourselves about what it is we did wrong, while the terrorists laugh, consider it weak, and work to drive wedges between us. It amazes me the amount of times that muslim terrorists have killed westerners over the past fifty years and yet, instead of directing our anger at them, we look inward, as if the burden is ours.

    Adolescence is a relatively new situation for humans. It is a period of leisure bwteeen the helplessness of childhood and the responsibilities and work of adulthood. The overwhemling majority f humans never had such a "free' period. Extended education has pro-longed this irresponsible period in life, and tenured academics largely remain children for life, and we see the drivel that they spew all the time, like Chomsky and Zinn's nonsense.

    We need to see the world for how it really is, not how it ought to be. Theory and philosophy are all well and good in a seminar, but they go out the window when people fly planes into buildings. If we maintain the resolve to fight back, we will be fine. If we give in to elite, academic, liberal nonsense, we will loose. Luckily for our adolescant morons in academia and the far left, we have middle American, church-going, "uneducated simpletons" in Missouri, Kentucky, Utah, Alabama, Virginia and elsewhere in the Heartland and Midwest who are willing to accept reality and take the steps necessary to defend it!

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Jet Moses[/i]@May 13 2004, 07:44 AM
    [b]No comments?

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    IMO: The lack of responses, arguments or input, is confirmation that what your saying, is quite correct!!
    I can't argue with what you posted.
    Does it concern me? Yes! Your questions raise a feeling of vulnerability within our own borders! I despise feeling this way! Constitutional amendments are something to consider but we cannot allow this to change what we believe in by suspending any of our constitutional rights. And to consider emergency empowerment usually means a "knee jerk reaction", to something that has already happened and too late!
    We've entered into a whole new type of arena (Terrorism) where the terror has been brought to us; on our own on soil and in it's most despicable way! This has not been done with such devastation since Pearl Harbor! I am fearful that, these terrorists’ types of tactics, performed by these extremists will make this an endless war!

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    Maybe we need to shut down INS completely until a good system of background checking can be applied.

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    I thought we already have ignored the Constitution and given up our liberties with the Patriot Act? So I guess they have already won.

    Their biggest victories to me was the way they financially crippled the nation and caused mass fear. We continue to aid in the downfall of this country by spending Billions and Billions of dollars, over-extending our means. Their other victory is the War in Iraq, they have a lot more sympathizers now than before 9/11. Bush Sr. created Bin Laden and that was from the Gulf War. Imagine who/what will emerge after this debacle. After the prison scandal only Allah can save us now.

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    Trojan Horse = Liberalism......not our constitution.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@May 13 2004, 11:55 AM
    [b] I thought we already have ignored the Constitution and given up our liberties with the Patriot Act? So I guess they have already won.

    Their biggest victories to me was the way they financially crippled the nation and caused mass fear. We continue to aid in the downfall of this country by spending Billions and Billions of dollars, over-extending our means. Their other victory is the War in Iraq, they have a lot more sympathizers now than before 9/11. Bush Sr. created Bin Laden and that was from the Gulf War. Imagine who/what will emerge after this debacle. After the prison scandal only Allah can save us now. [/b][/quote]
    The Patriot Act, the Patriot Act! More mindless drivel. I didn't realise that a bill that was voted on by well over 90% of our elected reps was a "right-wing power grab." Ignored the Constitution...pfft. What a joke.

    Bush Sr 'created' Bin Laden after the Gulf War? "Financially crippled the nation?" What passes as "thought" these days?

    (Sigh)

    No one thinks anymore...it's shocking, really. As soon as I stop counting the ways in which your post is absurd I'll keep yelling at you....

    I never realized that people who knew so little could have opinions so strong.

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    [quote][b]Bush Sr 'created' Bin Laden after the Gulf War? [/b][/quote]


    You don't think Bush Sr. created Bin Laden? Regan provided his training and helped form his militia.

    When Bush Sr. was fighting the Gulf War, we used Saudia Arabia as a staging ground for operations. Bin Laden points to that as his hatred of America. That is what fueled him and allowed him to amass his followers. Do you think it is a coincidence that most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia?

    [quote][b]"Financially crippled the nation?"[/b][/quote]

    You don't think we are financially crippled by W? Ohh thats right I forgot as Cheney so eloquently puts it, "Regan taught us deficits don't matter."


    We have fallen right into Bin Laden's hands. After 9/11 he was saying the U.S. was going to invade an oil rich ME country. We did exactly that, for no good reason, and he is going to recieve even more support. The prison abuse scandal is just icing on the cake.

    The Muslim world would have accepted our actions much more if we only concentrated on Afghanistan. Instead we have pretty much abandoned Afghanistan leaving it in shambles while we go off and fight a war for oil.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@May 13 2004, 01:06 PM
    [b] [quote][b]Bush Sr 'created' Bin Laden after the Gulf War? [/b][/quote]


    You don't think Bush Sr. created Bin Laden? Regan provided his training and helped form his militia.

    When Bush Sr. was fighting the Gulf War, we used Saudia Arabia as a staging ground for operations. Bin Laden points to that as his hatred of America. That is what fueled him and allowed him to amass his followers. Do you think it is a coincidence that most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia?

    [quote][b]"Financially crippled the nation?"[/b][/quote]

    You don't think we are financially crippled by W? Ohh thats right I forgot as Cheney so eloquently puts it, "Regan taught us deficits don't matter."


    We have fallen right into Bin Laden's hands. After 9/11 he was saying the U.S. was going to invade an oil rich ME country. We did exactly that, for no good reason, and he is going to recieve even more support. The prison abuse scandal is just icing on the cake.

    The Muslim world would have accepted our actions much more if we only concentrated on Afghanistan. Instead we have pretty much abandoned Afghanistan leaving it in shambles while we go off and fight a war for oil. [/b][/quote]
    We never left Afghanistan. The Military is still operating over there fighting the war on terror. The economy is not the fault of the President. Lets be real, we cant blame everything on the whitehouse.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@May 13 2004, 01:06 PM
    [b] The Muslim world would have accepted our actions much more if we only concentrated on Afghanistan. [/b][/quote]
    More proof that libs and Americans who constantly criticize their country need world "approval" and "acceptance" before acting or to justify their actions...pretty pathetic :(

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    [quote][b]We never left Afghanistan. The Military is still operating over there fighting the war on terror. The economy is not the fault of the President. Lets be real, we cant blame everything on the whitehouse.[/b][/quote]

    Yes we are still in Afghanistan but we do not have the force necessary to keep the peace and to rebuild. The only reason we are there is to try and find OBL before the election. Warlords control the country.

    I can blame the economy on the Whitehouse. The economy took a huge hit on 9/11 and instead of fixing it the president has made things worse. Tax cuts, hundreds of billions spent in Iraq (with hundreds more before we're done), billions on the space program, proposing billions for missle defense and mini-nukes, and losing millions of jobs and trying to replenish them with lower-end jobs.

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    Section -

    I'm confused. Are we financially crippled by the terrorists or by George W. Bush?

    I seem to remember the exalted UN unanimously agreeing to the 1991 Gulf War, yet in your retrospection, it was "Bush Sr." who bears sole responsibility for "creating" OBL.

    I also think it's funny that you create a connection between the 1991 Gulf War and 9-11 (namely, OBL's ire that we stationed troops in Saudi Arabia) yet in your other breaths can say that Iraq and 9-11 have nothing to do with one another. This post of yours proves that they didn, according to your logic. So, you solution would have been to et Saddam invade Kuwait, and then Saudi Arabia in 1991? You would have let him continue to pursue nuclear weaponry? Do you think he would have stopped conquering lands?

    Oh - but we "created" OBL...(wait, 'we" didn't, Bush Sr. did)


    Muslims were de-crying our "racist Crusade" in Afghanistan in late September of 2001, before the war even started.

    Go Tell Pat Tillman's family that we abandonded Afghanistan...they didn't get that memo. Just because somthing isnt on cnn.com every night doesn't mean it's been abandoned.

    It's pointless talking to you about issues. You offer nothing. I think you honestly believe the Bush family is solely responsible for all of the strife in the world and the ME. It's sad that people can think that way and still be considered educated or even thoughtful.

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    I must remind some here that in President Bush's speach to a joint session of congress shortly after 911, he stated that we will not see video or even know about operations in the war, because the majority will be conducted by special forces during hours of darkness.

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    [quote][b]More proof that libs and Americans who constantly criticize their country need world "approval" and "acceptance" before acting or to justify their actions...pretty pathetic[/b][/quote]

    Global support is always important, especially with a War like this.

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    Regarding the war in afghanistan, Here is the transcript of President Bush's Speach to a Joint session of congress after 911:

    THE PRESIDENT: Mr. Speaker, Mr. President Pro Tempore, members of Congress, and fellow Americans:

    In the normal course of events, Presidents come to this chamber to report on the state of the Union. Tonight, no such report is needed. It has already been delivered by the American people.

    We have seen it in the courage of passengers, who rushed terrorists to save others on the ground -- passengers like an exceptional man named Todd Beamer. And would you please help me to welcome his wife, Lisa Beamer, here tonight. (Applause.)

    We have seen the state of our Union in the endurance of rescuers, working past exhaustion. We have seen the unfurling of flags, the lighting of candles, the giving of blood, the saying of prayers -- in English, Hebrew, and Arabic. We have seen the decency of a loving and giving people who have made the grief of strangers their own.

    My fellow citizens, for the last nine days, the entire world has seen for itself the state of our Union -- and it is strong. (Applause.)

    Tonight we are a country awakened to danger and called to defend freedom. Our grief has turned to anger, and anger to resolution. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done. (Applause.)

    I thank the Congress for its leadership at such an important time. All of America was touched on the evening of the tragedy to see Republicans and Democrats joined together on the steps of this Capitol, singing "God Bless America." And you did more than sing; you acted, by delivering $40 billion to rebuild our communities and meet the needs of our military.

    Speaker Hastert, Minority Leader Gephardt, Majority Leader Daschle and Senator Lott, I thank you for your friendship, for your leadership and for your service to our country. (Applause.)

    And on behalf of the American people, I thank the world for its outpouring of support. America will never forget the sounds of our National Anthem playing at Buckingham Palace, on the streets of Paris, and at Berlin's Brandenburg Gate.

    We will not forget South Korean children gathering to pray outside our embassy in Seoul, or the prayers of sympathy offered at a mosque in Cairo. We will not forget moments of silence and days of mourning in Australia and Africa and Latin America.

    Nor will we forget the citizens of 80 other nations who died with our own: dozens of Pakistanis; more than 130 Israelis; more than 250 citizens of India; men and women from El Salvador, Iran, Mexico and Japan; and hundreds of British citizens. America has no truer friend than Great Britain. (Applause.) Once again, we are joined together in a great cause -- so honored the British Prime Minister has crossed an ocean to show his unity of purpose with America. Thank you for coming, friend. (Applause.)

    On September the 11th, enemies of freedom committed an act of war against our country. Americans have known wars -- but for the past 136 years, they have been wars on foreign soil, except for one Sunday in 1941. Americans have known the casualties of war -- but not at the center of a great city on a peaceful morning. Americans have known surprise attacks -- but never before on thousands of civilians. All of this was brought upon us in a single day -- and night fell on a different world, a world where freedom itself is under attack.

    Americans have many questions tonight. Americans are asking: Who attacked our country? The evidence we have gathered all points to a collection of loosely affiliated terrorist organizations known as al Qaeda. They are the same murderers indicted for bombing American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, and responsible for bombing the USS Cole.

    Al Qaeda is to terror what the mafia is to crime. But its goal is not making money; its goal is remaking the world -- and imposing its radical beliefs on people everywhere.

    The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics -- a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam. The terrorists' directive commands them to kill Christians and Jews, to kill all Americans, and make no distinction among military and civilians, including women and children.

    This group and its leader -- a person named Osama bin Laden -- are linked to many other organizations in different countries, including the Egyptian Islamic Jihad and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan. There are thousands of these terrorists in more than 60 countries. They are recruited from their own nations and neighborhoods and brought to camps in places like Afghanistan, where they are trained in the tactics of terror. They are sent back to their homes or sent to hide in countries around the world to plot evil and destruction.

    The leadership of al Qaeda has great influence in Afghanistan and supports the Taliban regime in controlling most of that country. In Afghanistan, we see al Qaeda's vision for the world.

    Afghanistan's people have been brutalized -- many are starving and many have fled. Women are not allowed to attend school. You can be jailed for owning a television. Religion can be practiced only as their leaders dictate. A man can be jailed in Afghanistan if his beard is not long enough.

    The United States respects the people of Afghanistan -- after all, we are currently its largest source of humanitarian aid -- but we condemn the Taliban regime. (Applause.) It is not only repressing its own people, it is threatening people everywhere by sponsoring and sheltering and supplying terrorists. By aiding and abetting murder, the Taliban regime is committing murder.

    And tonight, the United States of America makes the following demands on the Taliban: Deliver to United States authorities all the leaders of al Qaeda who hide in your land. (Applause.) Release all foreign nationals, including American citizens, you have unjustly imprisoned. Protect foreign journalists, diplomats and aid workers in your country. Close immediately and permanently every terrorist training camp in Afghanistan, and hand over every terrorist, and every person in their support structure, to appropriate authorities. (Applause.) Give the United States full access to terrorist training camps, so we can make sure they are no longer operating.

    These demands are not open to negotiation or discussion. (Applause.) The Taliban must act, and act immediately. They will hand over the terrorists, or they will share in their fate.

    I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. (Applause.) The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them. (Applause.)

    Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated. (Applause.)

    Americans are asking, why do they hate us? They hate what we see right here in this chamber -- a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.

    They want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries, such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan. They want to drive Israel out of the Middle East. They want to drive Christians and Jews out of vast regions of Asia and Africa.

    These terrorists kill not merely to end lives, but to disrupt and end a way of life. With every atrocity, they hope that America grows fearful, retreating from the world and forsaking our friends. They stand against us, because we stand in their way.

    We are not deceived by their pretenses to piety. We have seen their kind before. They are the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical visions -- by abandoning every value except the will to power -- they follow in the path of fascism, and Nazism, and totalitarianism. And they will follow that path all the way, to where it ends: in history's unmarked grave of discarded lies. (Applause.)

    Americans are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will direct every resource at our command -- every means of diplomacy, every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law enforcement, every financial influence, and every necessary weapon of war -- to the disruption and to the defeat of the global terror network.

    This war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion. It will not look like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were used and not a single American was lost in combat.

    Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. (Applause.) From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.

    Our nation has been put on notice: We are not immune from attack. We will take defensive measures against terrorism to protect Americans. Today, dozens of federal departments and agencies, as well as state and local governments, have responsibilities affecting homeland security. These efforts must be coordinated at the highest level. So tonight I announce the creation of a Cabinet-level position reporting directly to me -- the Office of Homeland Security.

    And tonight I also announce a distinguished American to lead this effort, to strengthen American security: a military veteran, an effective governor, a true patriot, a trusted friend -- Pennsylvania's Tom Ridge. (Applause.) He will lead, oversee and coordinate a comprehensive national strategy to safeguard our country against terrorism, and respond to any attacks that may come.

    These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat terrorism as a threat to our way of life is to stop it, eliminate it, and destroy it where it grows. (Applause.)

    Many will be involved in this effort, from FBI agents to intelligence operatives to the reservists we have called to active duty. All deserve our thanks, and all have our prayers. And tonight, a few miles from the damaged Pentagon, I have a message for our military: Be ready. I've called the Armed Forces to alert, and there is a reason. The hour is coming when America will act, and you will make us proud. (Applause.)

    This is not, however, just America's fight. And what is at stake is not just America's freedom. This is the world's fight. This is civilization's fight. This is the fight of all who believe in progress and pluralism, tolerance and freedom.

    We ask every nation to join us. We will ask, and we will need, the help of police forces, intelligence services, and banking systems around the world. The United States is grateful that many nations and many international organizations have already responded -- with sympathy and with support. Nations from Latin America, to Asia, to Africa, to Europe, to the Islamic world. Perhaps the NATO Charter reflects best the attitude of the world: An attack on one is an attack on all.

    The civilized world is rallying to America's side. They understand that if this terror goes unpunished, their own cities, their own citizens may be next. Terror, unanswered, can not only bring down buildings, it can threaten the stability of legitimate governments. And you know what -- we're not going to allow it. (Applause.)

    Americans are asking: What is expected of us? I ask you to live your lives, and hug your children. I know many citizens have fears tonight, and I ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face of a continuing threat.

    I ask you to uphold the values of America, and remember why so many have come here. We are in a fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by them. No one should be singled out for unfair treatment or unkind words because of their ethnic background or religious faith. (Applause.)

    I ask you to continue to support the victims of this tragedy with your contributions. Those who want to give can go to a central source of information, libertyunites.org, to find the names of groups providing direct help in New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia.

    The thousands of FBI agents who are now at work in this investigation may need your cooperation, and I ask you to give it.

    I ask for your patience, with the delays and inconveniences that may accompany tighter security; and for your patience in what will be a long struggle.

    I ask your continued participation and confidence in the American economy. Terrorists attacked a symbol of American prosperity. They did not touch its source. America is successful because of the hard work, and creativity, and enterprise of our people. These were the true strengths of our economy before September 11th, and they are our strengths today. (Applause.)

    And, finally, please continue praying for the victims of terror and their families, for those in uniform, and for our great country. Prayer has comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey ahead.

    Tonight I thank my fellow Americans for what you have already done and for what you will do. And ladies and gentlemen of the Congress, I thank you, their representatives, for what you have already done and for what we will do together.

    Tonight, we face new and sudden national challenges. We will come together to improve air safety, to dramatically expand the number of air marshals on domestic flights, and take new measures to prevent hijacking. We will come together to promote stability and keep our airlines flying, with direct assistance during this emergency. (Applause.)

    We will come together to give law enforcement the additional tools it needs to track down terror here at home. (Applause.) We will come together to strengthen our intelligence capabilities to know the plans of terrorists before they act, and find them before they strike. (Applause.)

    We will come together to take active steps that strengthen America's economy, and put our people back to work.

    Tonight we welcome two leaders who embody the extraordinary spirit of all New Yorkers: Governor George Pataki, and Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. (Applause.) As a symbol of America's resolve, my administration will work with Congress, and these two leaders, to show the world that we will rebuild New York City. (Applause.)

    After all that has just passed -- all the lives taken, and all the possibilities and hopes that died with them -- it is natural to wonder if America's future is one of fear. Some speak of an age of terror. I know there are struggles ahead, and dangers to face. But this country will define our times, not be defined by them. As long as the United States of America is determined and strong, this will not be an age of terror; this will be an age of liberty, here and across the world. (Applause.)

    Great harm has been done to us. We have suffered great loss. And in our grief and anger we have found our mission and our moment. Freedom and fear are at war. The advance of human freedom -- the great achievement of our time, and the great hope of every time -- now depends on us. Our nation -- this generation -- will lift a dark threat of violence from our people and our future. We will rally the world to this cause by our efforts, by our courage. We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail. (Applause.)

    It is my hope that in the months and years ahead, life will return almost to normal. We'll go back to our lives and routines, and that is good. Even grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each of us will remember what happened that day, and to whom it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came -- where we were and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of a fire, or a story of rescue. Some will carry memories of a face and a voice gone forever.

    And I will carry this: It is the police shield of a man named George Howard, who died at the World Trade Center trying to save others. It was given to me by his mom, Arlene, as a proud memorial to her son. This is my reminder of lives that ended, and a task that does not end. (Applause.)

    I will not forget this wound to our country or those who inflicted it. I will not yield; I will not rest; I will not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the American people.

    The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain. Freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them. (Applause.)

    Fellow citizens, we'll meet violence with patient justice -- assured of the rightness of our cause, and confident of the victories to come. In all that lies before us, may God grant us wisdom, and may He watch over the United States of America.

    Thank you. (Applause.)

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    [quote][b]I'm confused. Are we financially crippled by the terrorists or by George W. Bush?

    I seem to remember the exalted UN unanimously agreeing to the 1001 Gulf War, yet in your retrospection, it was "Bush Sr." who bears sole responsibility for "creating" OBL.
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    Yes the UN did approve the 1991 Gulf War, because it was more justifiable, even though I feel Bush Sr. did it for personal reasons. The reason we did not occupy Iraq was because there wasn't International support for such action. Atleast Bush Sr. realized the need for a coalition.

    [quote][b]I also think it's funny that you create a connection between the 1991 Gulf War and 9-11 (namely, OBL's ire that we stationed troops in Saudi Arabia) yet in your pther breaths can say that Iraq and 9-11 have nothing to do with one another. This post of yours proves that they didn, according to your logic. So, you solution would have been to et Saddam invade Kuwait, and then Saudi Arabia in 1991? You would have let him continue to pursue nuclear weaponry? Do you think he would have stopped conquering lands?

    Oh - but we "created" OBL...(wait, 'we" didn't, Bush Sr. did)
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    Yes of course there is a connection between the 1991 war and 9/11. That doesn't mean, however, that invading Iraq now makes it any better. It simply fuels more hatred of the U.S. In fact, we are worse off, and have very little International support.

    [quote][b]Go Tell Pat Tillman's family that we abandonded Afghanistan...they didn't get that memo. Just because somthing isnt on cnn.com every night doesn't mean it's been abandoned.
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    Pat Tillman's family should be apologized to for not providing adequate support for the mission over there.

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