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    SPIN AWAY, LIBERAL MEDIA! Undoubtedly, we're about to be bombarded with stories of "old shells". "sarin from outside Iraq" BLAH, BLAH BLAH....But the facts don't go away. Saddam HAD WMD, which is why we went to war. Blix couldn't find a subway station in Midtown.

    Tests Confirm Sarin Gas in Baghdad Bomb

    Tue May 25, 4:43 PM ET

    By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON - Comprehensive testing has confirmed the presence of the chemical weapon sarin in the remains of a roadside bomb discovered this month in Baghdad, a defense official said Tuesday.

    The determination, made by a laboratory in the United States that the official would not identify, verifies what earlier, less-thorough field tests had found: the bomb was made from an artillery shell designed to disperse the deadly nerve agent on the battlefield.


    The origin of the shell remains unclear, and finding that out is a priority for the U.S. military, the defense official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.


    Some analysts worry the 155-millimeter artillery shell, found rigged as a bomb on May 15, may be part of a larger stockpile of Iraqi chemical weapons that insurgents can now use. But no more have turned up, and several military officials have said the shell may have been an older one that predated the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites).


    It likewise is not known whether the bombers knew they had a chemical weapon. Military officials have said the shell bore no labels to indicate it was anything except a normal explosive shell, the type used to make scores of roadside bombs in Iraq (news - web sites).


    No one was injured in the shell's initial detonation, but two American soldiers who removed the round had symptoms of low-level nerve agent exposure, officials said last week.


    The shell was a binary type, which has two chambers containing relatively safe chemicals. When the round is fired from an artillery gun, its rotation mixes the chemicals to create sarin, which is supposed to disperse when the shell strikes its target.


    Since it was not fired from a gun but was detonated as a bomb, the initial explosion on May 15 dispersed the precursor chemicals, apparently mixing them in only small amounts, officials said then. In battle, such shells would have to be fired in great numbers to effect a large body of troops.


    Iraq's first field-test of a binary-type shell containing sarin was in 1988, U.S. defense officials have said.


    Saddam's government only disclosed the testing and production after Iraqi weapons chief Lt. Gen. Hussein Kamel al-Majid, Saddam's son-in-law, defected in 1995. Saddam's government never declared any sarin or shells filled with sarin remained.


    Saddam's alleged stockpile of weapons of mass destruction was the Bush administration's chief stated reason for invading Iraq. U.S. weapons hunters have been unable to validate the prewar intelligence.


    Some trace elements of mustard agent, an older type of chemical weapon, were detected in an artillery shell found in a Baghdad street this month, U.S. officials said previously. The shell also was believed to be from one of Saddam's old stockpiles.

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    One stray shell doesn't equal a stockpile of WMD's.

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    They don't need to spin rather avoid altogether:

    AT&T's home page: [url=http://www.att.net/]http://www.att.net/[/url]

    CNN's: [url=http://www.cnn.com/]http://www.cnn.com/[/url]

    CBS: [url=http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml]http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml[/url]

    MSNBC: [url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/[/url]

    USA Today: [url=http://www.usatoday.com/]http://www.usatoday.com/[/url]

    the clock on my computer reads 10:04PM and not one of these "unbiased" news outlets have this story on the front page of their web sites..only FoxNews and ABC.com

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY[/i]@May 25 2004, 10:05 PM
    [b] They don't need to spin rather avoid altogether:

    AT&T's home page: [url=http://www.att.net/]http://www.att.net/[/url]

    CNN's: [url=http://www.cnn.com/]http://www.cnn.com/[/url]

    CBS: [url=http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml]http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml[/url]

    MSNBC: [url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/[/url]

    USA Today: [url=http://www.usatoday.com/]http://www.usatoday.com/[/url]

    the clock on my computer reads 10:04PM and not one of these "unbiased" news outlets have this story on the front page of their web sites..only FoxNews and ABC.com [/b][/quote]
    Perhaps when these WMD's that Bush and Co. told us Iraq had in March 2003 turn up there'll be something to report. Until then the happy dance you guys are doing only make you look more foolish than you have up 'til now.

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    In President Bush's March 17, 2003 speech giving Saddam Hussein 48 hours to leave Iraq (I wonder what would've happened if Saddam took him up on this offer?) Bush said: "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

    Earlier in a speech delivered on October 17, 2002 Bush said: "The Iraqi regime possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarinnerve gas,VX nerve gas...And Surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons."

    In his State of the Union address in January 2003 Bush accused Iraq of having enough material "to produce over 25,000 liters of anthrax -- enough doses to kill several million people...more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin -- enough to subject millions of people to death by respiratory failure...as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."

    In his dramatic presentation to the UN Security Counsel on Febuary 6, 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell said the United States "knew" that Baghdad had dispersed rocket launchers and warheads containing biological warfare agents to locations in western Iraq.

    "We also have satellite photos that indicate that banned materials have recently been moved from a number of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction facilities" (I wonder if we've checked out these so-called WMD facilities and can we get a progress report?) Powell went on to say: "There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons an the capability to rapidly produce more, many more."

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by valleyjet[/i]@May 25 2004, 10:33 PM
    [b] Perhaps when these WMD's that Bush and Co. told us Iraq had in March 2003 turn up there'll be something to report. Until then the happy dance you guys are doing only make you look more foolish than you have up 'til now.
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    I'm sure you're including all the rats who made statements about Sadaam having WMD from '97-to-'03....you know the one's we're talking about (the quotes from demonkRATS that have been posted on this board a million times) or should we refresh your memory??

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY[/i]@May 25 2004, 10:38 PM
    [b] I'm sure you're including all the rats who made statements about Sadaam having WMD from '97-to-'03....you know the one's we're talking about (the quotes from demonkRATS that have been posted on this board a million times) or should we refresh your memory?? [/b][/quote]
    demonkRATS?

    Gee you're a clever one aren't you? Did you think of that all by yourself? If so you're wasting your talent here! ;)

    I also see you have a difficult time of staying on topic. When those WMD's turn up that Bush invaded Iraq for please get back to us. Until then see if you can come up with some more of your clever hate speech terminology.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by valleyjet[/i]@May 25 2004, 10:46 PM
    [b] Gee you're a clever one aren't you? Did you think of that all by yourself? If so you're wasting your talent here! ;)

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    You're right...I shoud be working for the jackass party and getting ready for the DNC....the nominating convention where jean francoise kerri won't accept the nomination :lol:

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY[/i]@May 25 2004, 10:59 PM
    [b] the nominating convention where jean francoise kerri won't accept the convention. [/b][/quote]
    Senator Kerry won't accept the convention? :huh:

    I didn't know he was gonna be offered the convention. I'm pretty sure he'll be offered the nomination. But I never heard he was gonna be offered the whole convention.

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