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    Canada Keeps Censoring Fox but OKs Al-Jazeera

    Canada's increasingly strange government, which continues to censor Fox News Channel, has covertly approved the unleashing of the terrorists' favorite propaganda machine.

    "The federal broadcast regulator made one of its most controversial decisions in recent years when it approved the digital distribution [Thursday] of the Arabic-language TV news network Al-Jazeera, although it did so without any public hearings," the Toronto Globe and Mail reported today.
    Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission, apparently caught up in Ottawa's P.C. craze for "diversity," also OK'd eight "other so-called ethnic distribution requests": five in Spanish, one German, one Romanian and another Arabic-language station.
    But Canada's FNC fans who want a popular network that would actually draw an audience are out of luck. Like America's pseudo-intelligentsia, the Canadian elites have no tolerance for diversity of ideas that might be moderate, conservative, libertarian or patriotic.

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    It's not that Canada as a whole sucks ... it's the libs, their supporters and the biased media that suck! Unfortuneately, that's all one hears about these days coming from here. We as a country need to wake up. I believe it is happenning, but no where near fast enough.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Titan62[/i]@Jul 21 2004, 11:05 AM
    [b] It's not that Canada as a whole sucks ... it's the libs, their supporters and the biased media that suck! Unfortuneately, that's all one hears about these days coming from here. We as a country need to wake up. I believe it is happenning, but no where near fast enough. [/b][/quote]
    Its sad....Canada has a lot of really good freedom loving people but are being led around by french-bowing, Quebec-libs.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY[/i]@Jul 21 2004, 11:08 AM
    [b] Its sad....Canada has a lot of really good freedom loving people but are being led around by french-bowing, Quebec-libs. [/b][/quote]
    Yes, sad ... and true.

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    terrible place that canada...hardly any homicides...healthcare for almost everyone..
    MAn they suck

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bman[/i]@Jul 22 2004, 01:04 PM
    [b] terrible place that canada...hardly any homicides...healthcare for almost everyone..
    MAn they suck [/b][/quote]
    bman - how much do you know about Canada's healthcare system? Do a little research and then tell me if you'd prefer their "universal" or "free" healthcare. "Healthcare" is not some consistent concept that is equal no matter where you go. It, like all services, varies in quality. Have fun waiting 30 weeks to see a specialist who diagnoses you, then another 15 weeks to actually get the procedure that they allowed to be performed. Have fun paying ridiculously high taxes for that "free healthcare." In Canada, your dog can get a needed operation MUCH faster than your child can. Also, doctors are fleeing Canada like it's a burning house.....

    What relationship do you think cost has to the amount of Americans going without healthcare these days? What relationship to cost do you think having no caps on malpractice suits has with those same people? What relationship to malpractice suit awards do you think trial laywers unions have? Why would a member of that union, whose campaign is financed by that union, consistently oppose legislation that would cap those awards? What relationship to doctor's incomes do malpractice suits have? What relationship to their desire to become doctors does that added risk and lowered income have, especially considering the cost of becoming a doctor (years of school, loans, and residency?) What relationship do the price of pharmecutical drugs and the profitability associated with that industry have to the health and well-being of millions of Americans? What relationship to the billions of dollars spent on R&D by private firms have to the health and well-being of those Americans? Why are pharmecutical companies routinely protrayed as getting their "pockets lined" when they spend billlions on R&D, and wouldn't do so without the prospect of profits, especially when patents expire and generic drugs and other competitors start eating their lunch? Without pharmecutical companies, millions of Americans would live with immense daily discomfort, and without "profits" pharmecutical companies would not exist, and R&D would not be going on rapidly, and EVERYONE's standard of living would decrease. The reason my mother doesn't have to live with arthiritis pain, and is able to keep her blood pressure down is because pharmecutical compaines have had their "pockets lined."

    People equate good intentions with merit, and ignore the results of those intentions. It is not enough to simply analyze the hopes and desires that bring about some program or system. We have to evaluate the results of that system, wholly independent of the good intentions that spawned it.

    I am not saying our system is perfect or even close. There are just many factors that go into "costs" and "services" and words like "universal" or "free" have little meaning since everything has a cost.

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    [quote][b]Have fun waiting 30 weeks to see a specialist who diagnoses you, then another 15 weeks to actually get the procedure that they allowed to be performed. [/b][/quote]

    Have you tried going to your local American HMO lately? LOL!!!! :lol: :lol:

    [quote][b]Also, doctors are fleeing Canada like it's a burning house..... [/b][/quote]

    That's very interesting. Can you link your source, as I'd be interested to read it. Thanks!

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    If the Canadian healthcare system is so bad, why are hundreds of thousands of Americans buying their prescrition drugs from our neighbours to the North? Maybe because they are half the cost of your local CVS?

    On a more fun note: The Canadian Government continues to push for marijuana reforms. I'm sure that is really going to tick off the 'War on Drugs' Policy.

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    [url=http://www.canoe.ca/Health0009/25_doctors.html]Severe doctor shortages in Canada[/url]

    [url=http://www.ncpa.org/health/pdh36a.html]Fed Up, Doctors Across Canada Go On Strike [/url]

    [url=http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2004/08/doctors.html]Why Is Canada Shutting Out Doctors?[/url]

    Just another example of socialism and failed liberal policies at work.

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    Gainzo -

    presently, $100 USD = $130 CAD

    18 months ago:

    $100 USD = $158 CAD

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Gainzo[/i]@Jul 22 2004, 01:45 PM
    [b] If the Canadian healthcare system is so bad, why are hundreds of thousands of Americans buying their prescrition drugs from our neighbours to the North? Maybe because they are half the cost of your local CVS?

    On a more fun note: The Canadian Government continues to push for marijuana reforms. I'm sure that is really going to tick off the 'War on Drugs' Policy. [/b][/quote]
    OK, lets try to keep this civil....we start talking about the ignorance of the POT section of the "Joke of a War on Drugs, Snicker, Snort" I am gonna friggin need duct tape to keep my head in one piece.....

    Pot has been the #1 drug targeted by the War on Drugs, has been proved scientifically to be less damaging that either Alcohol or Tobacco (or McDonalds for that matter), has been proven to have medicinal value to those in desperate need of comfort (Aids, Cancer and other termanl maladies), has been shown to be LESS of a gateway drug than our old legal standby's Booze and Cigarettes, is LESS addictive than either Alcohol or Tobacco, has NO Physical addiction (Pot is a psychological addiction only, and a weak one at that, much eaiser to drop that Booze or tobacco).

    Billions of Dollars spent, innocent Freedom loviong Americans in jail for lonbger terms than rapists and murders and ENRON scammers, all to stop a bunch of guys from getting mellow.

    For anyone who hasn;t seen it, check out the documentary "GRASS" narrated by old Potman himself, Woody Harrelson, to see the absolute joke our nations war on POT has been, and the incredible hypocricy and misinformation campaign our government has propagated throughout the last century against it.

    Wanna help the budget deficit, increase funding for the War and stop those evil drug selling terrorists (lol, sure).......LEGALIZE THE POT BABY! The taxation alone on legalized Pot would be enormous.

    People are gonna smoke it, legal or not. It isn't dangerous comparitively to other LEGAL items. Would you rather jail the Potheads, or the rapists, murderers, terrorists and ENRON folks of the world??

    OK, my one liberal war cry has now been appeased, back to Canadian healthcare! :lol: :lol:

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Warfish[/i]@Jul 22 2004, 01:17 PM
    [b] [quote][b]Also, doctors are fleeing Canada like it's a burning house..... [/b][/quote]

    That's very interesting. Can you link your source, as I'd be interested to read it. Thanks! [/b][/quote]
    This issue is up for debate. Some say the doctors are leaving and I've heard others say that the numder practicing in Canada is steadily increasing. Google offers many links to such articles.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Spirit of Weeb[/i]@Jul 22 2004, 01:57 PM
    [b] [url=http://www.canoe.ca/Health0009/25_doctors.html]Severe doctor shortages in Canada[/url]

    [url=http://www.ncpa.org/health/pdh36a.html]Fed Up, Doctors Across Canada Go On Strike [/url]

    [url=http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2004/08/doctors.html]Why Is Canada Shutting Out Doctors?[/url]

    Just another example of socialism and failed liberal policies at work. [/b][/quote]
    Thanks Weeb! :D

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    Here's an interesting article about myths and facts.

    [url=http://www.amsa.org/hp/myths.cfm]http://www.amsa.org/hp/myths.cfm[/url]

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    Good post on pot, Fisher...agreed 100%.

    Also - I read a reprt from the Fraser Institute...I think their site makes you pay. But that's one source, if you'd like to google it, in addition to Weeb's (thanks Weeb).

    Titan - it's all about when you cherry-pick the beginning of your time-frame. The overwhemlming majority of what I've read points to doctors leaving, coupled with an aggregate overall rise in nurses, and higher enrollment in nursing schools due to increased demand. I really haven't seen anything saying that numbers are increasing. But link away, I'd certainly read it.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by jets5ever[/i]@Jul 22 2004, 02:13 PM
    [b] The overwhemlming majority of what I've read points to doctors leaving, coupled with an aggregate overall rise in nurses, and higher enrollment in nursing schools due to increased demand. I really haven't seen anything saying that numbers are increasing. But link away, I'd certainly read it. [/b][/quote]
    Hopefully this will work ...

    [url=http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:rHhx6m2Ula0J:stars.csg.org/spectrum/2002/Winter/wi02spec_35.pdf+%22Canadian+Doctors%22+and+%22United+States%22&hl=en]http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:rHhx6m...States%22&hl=en[/url]

    Here is another link as taken from the above article ...

    [url=http://secure.cihi.ca/cihiweb/dispPage.jsp?cw_page=home_e]http://secure.cihi.ca/cihiweb/dispPage.jsp...?cw_page=home_e[/url]

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    I have one question -if costs are roughly the same as what we already pay for medicare, etc, why would taxes have to be raised? Single-payer, means that my firm doens't have to pay for my healthcare, reducing the cost of hiring me. So, either my real wage goes up, or prices go down, ether way, my real income goes up. If my salary is also not further reduced by medicare raxes, etc...my salary goes up even more than it would from the simply fact that I am less expensive to my employer. So, considering all of this, why on earth would my taxes have to go up? I am certainly not expected to pay for other people's care right? This is single-payer, right? Hey, I am sympathetic and can see that benefits should go to the truly needy...but some dumba$$ who keeps cahsing welfare checks, paying no taxes, not working, having a ton of kids, feeding them crap which makes them more costly from a healthcare standpoint, should not get a free ride on my back, and DEFINITELY shoud not get access to care that I need because his need is more "necessary" than mine, even though I can pay for my care, even after paying for his care, and he can't pay for his care, and doens't even pay taxes for anyone else who truly needs the help and doesn't contribute at all to the benefit of society. "Universal" is a myth. So long as services have costs, there will be trade-offs involved. You want single-payer, third-party, whatever? Fine, have your fun. The problem is that without the mechanism of prices and profits (and losses) demand is always going to outweight supply. This is why words like "access" are misleading. Sure, we have "access" in "universal" healthcare, we simply have longer waits and are rationed by what is deemed "medically necessary." This phrase just makes people feel better than a raiotning by price or, GASP!, "profit" does. Scarce resources that have alternative uses will ALWAYS have to be rationed, and there is NO FREE LUNCH. Whether you call if profit or you call it "necessity" makes little difference to the people who are denied services. We have people who don't have healthcare COVERAGE in the USA, not people who want and can afford services, yet cannot have them because some third-party tells them they aren't important enough or sick enough to DESERVE them right now. But, ah, they still have "access" to services in some theoretical sense. It costs money just to even figure out who is "necessary" and who is not. That's not free. That's a flood of paperwork, time and money. Triage costs money. Explain to your son who needs an operation that he should wait because he's less necessary than another kid, whose father doens't work or pay taxes, and then when his date comes up, tell him something else just came up and he has to wait some more because another person is more "necessary." We are going to have a centralized decision-maker somewhere allocating treatment based on "necessity?" Medical problems don't just politely tell you how severe they are weeks in advance. Don't you think lawsuits would ensure? Have the "experts" factored in those and other hidden costs?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bman[/i]@Jul 22 2004, 01:04 PM
    [b] terrible place that canada...hardly any homicides...healthcare for almost everyone..
    MAn they suck [/b][/quote]
    Instead of sponging off the government try getting a Job. Yes a job, like work for a living. Get a job with medical benefits if you want.

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    Looks like bman dropped out of this puppy once folks(from both sides) started using facts and sources for the discussion.

    Hmmm, wonder why that was?

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    Very good post on the issue of Pot Warfish. You can also include this issue with it as well:

    To work for the FBI, you need to pass a polygraph, which includes the question of have you smoked more tha 15 times or in the past 5 years? If you answer yes, you are automatically eliminated. Whether is it yes to both or one of the two, I am not sure. But by making this an important question, they are essentially saying that all those times I have been completly drunk (which is illegal because I am only 19) is OK because I guess kids will be kids. But smoke more than 15 times, and you have a problem and a loser. Whose more abusive an alcoholic or a pothead?

    It really is absurd that someone like me, who is a good guy and does well in school, might not be able to work for my government because I smoked some pot. Yet I know kids that will down at least 3 or 4 40's every night, wont smoke pot, and will have a better chance at working for the government than I do.

    What a fkin country <_<

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