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    Will Landmark Suit Force Immigration Reform?

    Thursday, July 22, 2004

    By Matt Hayes

    In a series of sweeps in southern California over the course of a few weeks in June, a dozen agents of the Border Patrol arrested more than 420 illegal aliens and placed them in deportation proceedings.

    Americans enthusiastically supported the sweeps, as any public opinion poll would have predicted, but Rep. Joe Baca (search), D-Calif., and Mexican President Vicente Fox (search) were outraged.

    At a Chicago rally for Mexicans living in the United States — now about 10 percent of his nation’s entire population — Fox promised that his government would not permit violations of the human and labor rights of Mexicans living in the United States. "We will stand beside every Mexican woman and man in this country,” Fox told the crowd. “We will defend them against the raids being carried out in the state of California."

    Baca, a member of the Hispanic caucus, said in a press release, "I am doing everything I can to make sure that sweeps like the ones last week do not happen again. I will not stop until this situation has been resolved."

    During a June 25 meeting with Department of Homeland Security Undersecretary Asa Hutchinson (search), Baca and other members of the Hispanic caucus accused the Border Patrol agents of racial profiling.

    In response to the charges, Hutchinson’s office appeared to collapse. Describing the Border Patrol officers involved in the sweeps as a renegade unit that had taken it upon itself to enforce the law without having first obtained the permission of officials in Washington, the DHS, in an all-too-familiar pattern, ordered the sweeps halted.

    The cease and desist order, in turn, outraged southern Californians, most notably the hosts of the influential Los Angeles talk radio program, the John and Ken Show (search) on KFI.

    After days of being harshly criticized by the program for his decision to end the sweeps, Hutchinson agreed to appear on the show.

    He probably regrets that decision now.

    Host John blasted Hutchinson, repeatedly demanding that the undersecretary say publicly whether the DHS was going to continue the raids or not. When Hutchinson refused to say, the show’s hosts went ballistic.

    Hutchinson was obviously angered by the treatment he received on the John and Ken Show, but Hutchinson and the rest of the administration should remember one thing: The radio show was precisely articulating a feeling of frustration and anger that is shared with the majority of the American people.

    The feeling of anger at having our immigration laws ignored by politicians in Washington and frustration at the feeling of having no place to turn is especially acute in California — home to roughly half of the nation’s population of foreign nationals residing in the United States in defiance of the laws of the American people.

    The local frustration at the status quo makes Los Angeles an especially interesting location for a groundbreaking lawsuit two Los Angeles County taxpayers filed recently in the California Superior Court, Los Angeles.

    The suit, Anderson v. Los Angeles County Department of Health (LADHS), is asking the court to order the county’s public health system to seek reimbursement for services provided at taxpayer expense to the sponsors of legal immigrants who access the health care system.

    In keeping with a centuries-old American tradition to prevent social welfare systems from serving as magnets to immigrants, federal law requires many legal immigrants to have a U.S. sponsor in order to receive admittance to the United States. The sponsor must sign an “affidavit of support,” which is a legally binding contract obligating the sponsor to reimburse public entities for any means-tested public benefit the immigrant may access.

    The Superior Court suit cites a federal law that requires public service providers to seek reimbursement from a sponsor when an immigrant he or she has sponsored uses certain taxpayer-supported services.

    LACDHS provides services to thousands of immigrants at public expense every year, but has never once sought reimbursement from the immigrants’ sponsors as required by federal law. Instead, the LACDHS shift the burden onto county taxpayers.

    The county’s refusal to obey federal immigration law is a perfect example of why Americans are as Angry as the hosts of the John and Ken Show.

    Remarkably, the county intends to fight the taxpayers in the lawsuit.

    As the plaintiffs’ attorney, James Bame of Los Angeles put it, “It’s really amazing that the county, while shutting down clinics meant to help Americans in need, would rather spend taxpayer money to defend an illegal practice that is costing taxpayers millions of dollars per year rather than do what my clients are requesting: simply send a bill to the people who have already agreed to pay it.”

    Justice William Rehnquist once said, “Somewhere out there, beyond the walls of the courthouse, run currents and tides of public opinion, which lap at the courtroom door.”

    Given public opinion in southern California, we’re fast approaching the point at which the tide is not going to be lapping at the courtroom door; we’re looking at a tsunami of public outrage washing away the whole rotten mess.

    Matt Hayes began practicing immigration law shortly after graduating from Pace University School of Law in 1994, representing new immigrants in civil and criminal matters. He is the author of The New Immigration Law and Practice, to be published in October.

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    SHIP EM ALL BACK WHERE THEY BELONG. But be nice and offer them a shot of Tequilla First

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    If you are here [b]illegally[/b], no matter what your color, race, or creed, you have no right to complain when you get rounded up and sent home.

    Imagine that...the border patrol does their job, and they come under fire from politicians. Since when do they need permission from Washington to [b]do their jobs?[/b]

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    Bush is a has-been in California. That state was the Mecca of Republicans for a long, long time, but is now infested with communist hate-groups that demand anarachy. Instead of fighting this outright racisim, the Republicans try "touchy-feely pandering".......Most Americans are unaware of the severity of the problems, because they are too busy worring about their Volvo's or their stock quotes. The tragic part is, these same evil winds are coming their way, and they are too F'ing stupid to realize it :rolleyes:
    [quote][b]At a Chicago rally for Mexicans living in the United States, Fox promised that his government would not permit violations of the human and labor rights of Mexicans living in the United States. "We will stand beside every Mexican woman and man in this country,” Fox told the crowd. “We will defend them against the raids being carried out in the state of California."[/b][/quote]
    So now the President of a spithole nation, which saw many of it's residents cheer for Bin Laden right after 9-11 and routinely spit at our U.S soccer players during matches, is calling the shots in regards to our "domestic policy" :wacko:
    [quote][b]Baca, a member of the Hispanic caucus, said in a press release, "I am doing everything I can to make sure that sweeps like the ones last week do not happen again. I will not stop until this situation has been resolved."[/b][/quote]
    Congressman Baca is a proud member of MEChA--A radical hate group hoping to "ethnically cleanse" the West and Southwest and he will do anything and everything to keep the border open..By the way, EVERY newschannel in the U.S should expose J. Kerry for having "high ranking" MEChA members in his campaign hierarchy--there should pure outrage!!!!

    [url=http://www.americanpatrol.com/MECHA/MEChAindex.html]http://www.americanpatrol.com/MECHA/MEChAindex.html[/url]
    [quote][b]In response to the charges, Hutchinson’s office appeared to collapse. Describing the Border Patrol officers involved in the sweeps as a renegade unit that had taken it upon itself to enforce the law without having first obtained the permission of officials in Washington, the DHS, in an all-too-familiar pattern, ordered the sweeps halted.[/b][/quote]
    The Republican party is filled with with pure cowards, who will not even stand to up to outright hategroups <_<

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    [quote][b]Describing the Border Patrol officers involved in the sweeps as a renegade unit that had taken it upon itself to enforce the law without having first obtained the permission of officials in Washington, the DHS, in an all-too-familiar pattern, ordered the sweeps halted[/b][/quote]

    I&#39;m sorry, but this statement scares me..... :(

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Riggins44[/i]@Jul 22 2004, 11:36 AM
    [b] Bush is a has-been in California. That state was the Mecca of Republicans for a long, long time, but is now infested with communist hate-groups that demand anarachy. Instead of fighting this outright racisim, the Republicans try "touchy-feely pandering"

    Most Americans are unaware of the severity of the problems, because they are too busy worring about their Volvo&#39;s or their stock quotes. The tragic part is, these same evil winds are coming their way, and they are too F&#39;ing stupid to realize it :rolleyes:
    [quote][b]At a Chicago rally for Mexicans living in the United States, Fox promised that his government would not permit violations of the human and labor rights of Mexicans living in the United States. "We will stand beside every Mexican woman and man in this country,” Fox told the crowd. “We will defend them against the raids being carried out in the state of California."[/b][/quote]
    So now the President of a spithole nation, which saw many of it&#39;s residents cheer for Bin Laden right after 9-11 and routinely spit at our U.S soccer players during matches, is calling the shots in regards to our "domestic policy" :wacko:
    [quote][b]Baca, a member of the Hispanic caucus, said in a press release, "I am doing everything I can to make sure that sweeps like the ones last week do not happen again. I will not stop until this situation has been resolved."[/b][/quote]
    Congressman Baca is a proud member of MEChA--A radical hate group hoing to "ethnically cleanse" the West and Southwest and he will do anything and everything to keep the border open..By the way, EVERY newschannel in the U.S should expose J. Kerry for having "high ranking" MEChA members in his campaign hierarchy--there should pure outrage&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

    [url=http://www.americanpatrol.com/MECHA/MEChAindex.html]http://www.americanpatrol.com/MECHA/MEChAindex.html[/url]
    [quote][b]In response to the charges, Hutchinson’s office appeared to collapse. Describing the Border Patrol officers involved in the sweeps as a renegade unit that had taken it upon itself to enforce the law without having first obtained the permission of officials in Washington, the DHS, in an all-too-familiar pattern, ordered the sweeps halted.[/b][/quote]
    The Republican party is filled with with pure cowards, who will not even stand to up to outright hategroups <_< [/b][/quote]
    What politician out there has been touting immigration reform?

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    Irony is, Hutchinson used to be a staunchly anti-illegal immigration....As soon as he hooked up with Karl Rove and company, he&#39;s gone as limp as a noodle on the issue....I wish Bush had appointed a clown like Chris Cannon instead....We could&#39;ve used Asa better in another capacity Angry

    [url=http://grades.betterimmigration.com/retired/testgrades.php3?District=AR03&VIPID=29]http://grades.betterimmigration.com/retire...t=AR03&VIPID=29[/url]

    This is pure and outright anarchy. Plain and simple&#33;&#33;

    I wonder how long it will be, before American can expect other laws to be ignored by the feds?

    Maybe the day will come when illegals will be able to steal from houses and injure others and not worry about being arrested?


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    Chief, there are many. In the Senate, there about 20 or more real good ones (split almost evenly between Dem&#39;s and Rep&#39;s).....Regretably, some of these are "older" men, who are leaving their posts--Zell Miller, Fritz Hollings, ect. Also, there needs to be much more senators joining in.

    In congress, there is a very strong group of 100 (or more) proud American patriots--vast majority Republican.

    If you care about the issue, here&#39;s your site: [url=http://www.teamamericapac.org/]http://www.teamamericapac.org/[/url]

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    If someone breaks into my home, I shouldn&#39;t be forced to feed them and their children indefinitely, nor should I be forced to allow them to remain there or feel guilty about forcing them to leave.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by jets5ever[/i]@Jul 22 2004, 12:52 PM
    [b] If someone breaks into my home, I shouldn&#39;t be forced to feed them and their children indefinitely, nor should I be forced to allow them to remain there or feel guilty about forcing them to leave. [/b][/quote]
    Dude Boozer didn&#39;t break in, he was only "visiting". You weren&#39;t forced to feed him and GMOG, they said they would replace what they ate. You did force them to leave though, for that I think you should feel guilty.

    Why do you have to take these matters public?

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    [b]5E[/b], good point. How did we get to this degree of lawlessness to begin with? And which laws will we be able break in the future?

    This is a much, much deeper and bigger issue than 99 percent of Americans can ever realize, thanks to the media blackout.

    Here&#39;s a little backround on [b]U.S Congressman Joe Baca[/b]--mentioned in the article: [img]http://www.americanpatrol.com/04-FEATURES/040626-BACA-STOP-IA-SWEEPS/JoeBacaCivilWar.gif[/img]

    What is this [b]U.S Congressman[/b] suggesting in public, a race war? This is who Bush and Hutchinson are pandering to?.....A modern day Hitler in the [b]U.S Congress[/b] :wacko:

    [url=http://www.americanpatrol.com/04-FEATURES/040626-BACA-STOP-IA-SWEEPS/040626_Feature.html]http://www.americanpatrol.com/04-FEATURES/...26_Feature.html[/url]


    By the way, if you think MEChA is only out to "get whitey", think again: California&#39;s Lt. Governor (2nd in charge of the state) flat out used the "nigg*r" speaking in front of a group African Americans a few years back and didn&#39;t even apolagize until the media hit him in the face. Matter of fact, he laughed hard at first....He went on to run for Governor :rolleyes:

    Don&#39;t even bother to look up what MEChA thinks about Jews--Let&#39;s just say they are to the "right" of David Duke :blink:

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    Mecha is a hard core racist and anti-semitic group that advocates a return of the Western US and Texas to the Mexican government. You lost a war...live with it.

    what bs&#33;

    LL

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    Not only did they "lose the war", but they willingly SOLD California and other states to the U.S in the Treaty of Gaudalupe-Hidalgo.

    [url=http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/ghtreaty/]http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/ghtreaty/[/url]


    MEChA also dislikes other hispanics that are not of their "Raza" and any Mexican not sympathetic to their cause is a "race traitor".

    What&#39;s really strange, is these U.S Congressman seem bent on turning California and Texas into modern versions of Mexico City? :wacko:

    Here&#39;s a another thing about Mr. Baca: While Mr. Baca openly tells the U.S to not defend it&#39;s border, Mexico&#39;s border with Guatemala is patroled by armed guards.

    Ergo, if your from Guatemala, Ecuador or Chile and try to enter the U.S through Mexico, it&#39;s fair game for Mexican military to shoot at you :huh:

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Riggins44[/i]@Jul 22 2004, 12:05 PM
    [b]If you care about the issue, here&#39;s your site: [url=http://www.teamamericapac.org/]http://www.teamamericapac.org/[/url][/b][/quote]
    [quote][b]Team America will only support candidates who are committed to serious immigration and border security policy reform and are willing to sign the following pledge.

    I _________________, a candidate for Congress of the United States of America, do hereby make all of the following pledges:

    1. I will oppose any sort of amnesty.

    2. I will support a "time out" on immigration until serious reforms can be enacted.

    3. I will support the use of American military forces on the border until the Border Patrol is at full strength.

    4. I will join the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus.[/b][/quote]
    Interesting thoughts....I hope the topic comes up in the Presidential debates to hear what both candidates have to say. Its not just about immigration and jobs, its about National security. We can kill millions of terrorists around the globe, but if they can just walk across the border, how safe are we? Its like King Richard going on the Crusades, and leaving the back door to the castle wide open, and telling the guards not to do anything if the Saracens waltz right in...

    [img]http://www.teamamericapac.org/ta-gp-border01-250.jpg[/img]
    America&#39;s Security Fence?

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    As the Fox article states, Americans are to the boiling point on this issue in some places and aren&#39;t going take it much longer.

    Brooklyn, I wouldn&#39;t expect either candidate to go anywhere near this immigration topic in debates. Americans are solidly against illegal immigration. A Gallup poll, out today, shows Americans in huge numbers want this problem dealt with.

    Only 13 percent of "white American&#39;s" want more immigration. What would startle some, [b]but not me[/b], is ONLY 23 percent of hispanics want MORE immigration and much more than that want less--check the poll link from the Washington Post at [b][url=http://www.Americanpatrol.com]www.Americanpatrol.com[/url][/b]

    The truth is most hispanics here legally are affected by crime, job losses, terror risks and everything else. They don&#39;t ask for this mess, despite the fact that media let&#39;s radical groups like MEChA and LaRaza (both funded by the communist Ford Foundation) give that wrong impression.

    The only Candidate that will even talk candidly about real immigration reform is [b]Ralph Nader[/b]--who acknowledges the problems to wages and the enviornment. Unless he&#39;s in the debates (which is very doubtful), this subject will get no play, except maybe some outright ass kissing of illegals from Bush and Kerry :wub:


    P.S: I&#39;m not sure he&#39;s joined the PAC above, but John Thune of S.Dakota is very likely to defeat liberal, elitist Democrat Tom Daschle for a Senate seat, mainly due to gay marriages and illegal alien amnesties B) :D ;)

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Riggins44[/i]@Jul 22 2004, 06:31 PM
    [b] Only 13 percent of "white American&#39;s" want more immigration. What would startle some, [b]but not me[/b], is ONLY 23 percent of hispanics want MORE immigration and much more than that want less--check the poll link from the Washington Post at [b][url=http://www.Americanpatrol.com]www.Americanpatrol.com[/url][/b]

    The truth is most hispanics here legally are affected by crime, job losses, terror risks and everything else. They don&#39;t ask for this mess, despite the fact that media let&#39;s radical groups like MEChA and LaRaza (both funded by the communist Ford Foundation) give that wrong impression. [/b][/quote]
    That doesnt surprise me in the least to be honest. Unlike some folks would like you to believe, being in favor of stricter immigration legislation or even halting it entirely is hardly a "racist" stance. Most Americans, here legally, regardless of color, race, or creed want some form of reform. (I&#39;d even hazard a guess that more lower- and middle- class voters support reforms than upper-class voters). The numbers dont lie. If only both parties would wake up to that fact and actually represent Americans on this issue.

    Race has nothing to do with it, other than the fact that we border Mexico. It bugs me to no end when folks wave the "racist" flag when you speak out about immigration. If unchecked thousands of illegal caucasian Canadians were flooding across our northern border, Id be just as against it.

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