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    Just like after we helped the mujaheen defeat the soviets..we are now doing the same kind of abindoning...







    Report: Afghanistan could implode
    Thursday, July 29, 2004 Posted: 11:27 AM EDT (1527 GMT)



    The report calls on NATO members to fulfill commitment to help the people of Afghanistan.




    LONDON, England (CNN) -- A British parliamentary committee has warned that Afghanistan is likely to "implode, with terrible consequences" unless more troops and resources are sent to calm the country.

    The all-party Foreign Affairs Select Committee, in a report released Thursday, said warlord violence and the struggle between U.S.-led troops and insurgents continues to be a threat to security in Afghanistan.

    The wide-ranging report on the war against terrorism also said raised concerns over the failure of the UK government and its allies to limit the production of opium in Afghanistan.

    "There is a real danger if these resources are not provided soon that Afghanistan -- a fragile state in one of the most sensitive and volatile regions of the world -- could implode, with terrible consequences," the committee says in its report.

    Afghanistan, which is grappling with a growing drug trade and sporadic violence, is a key security concern for the West two years after the coalition toppled the militant Islamic Taliban regime for harboring al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

    There are about 20,000 U.S.-led troops and 6,500 NATO-led peacekeepers in Afghanistan.

    However, warlords have yet to be disarmed and a Taliban and al Qaeda insurgency is persisting in the south and east.

    "We recommend that the government impress upon its NATO allies the need to deliver on their promises to help Afghanistan before it is too late, both for the credibility of the alliance and, more importantly, for the people of Afghanistan."

    The committee, chaired by Labour MP Donald Anderson, also stressed the need to do more to the win the war of drugs.

    "We conclude that there is little, if any, sign of the war on drugs being won, and every indication that the situation is likely to deteriorate, at least in the short term," the report says.

    "We recommend that the government, which is in the lead on the counter-narcotics strategy in Afghanistan, explain in its response to this report exactly how it proposes to meet the targets of reducing opium poppy cultivation by 75 percent by 2008, and eradicating it completely by 2013."

    The report comes one day the international relief group Médecins Sans Frontières said it was pulling out of Afghanistan after 24 years because of security concerns and frustrations with the U.S. military. (Full story)

    MSF -- or Doctors Without Borders -- blamed the Afghan government for failing to catch and prosecute attackers who killed five MSF workers earlier this year.

    The group had about 80 international volunteers and 1,400 Afghan staff working in the country before the June attack.

    Marine Buissonniere, MSF's international secretary, told a news conference Wednesday in Kabul that more than 30 aid workers had been killed since the beginning of the year.

    MSF also blamed the Taliban, who have specifically threatened its aid workers, and the U.S.-backed coalition for the unsettled situation in Afghanistan.

    The coalition has "blurred" the image of aid workers as it attempted to "win hearts and minds," MSF said in a statement.


    Opium poppy cultivation remains high and could grow, says report.
    On Iraq, the committee concluded that Al Qaeda had turned Iraq into a "battleground" with appalling consequences for the country's people.

    The committee said the coalition's failure to establish law and order in parts of the country had, in addition, created a "vacuum" into which criminals and militias had poured.

    The MPs concluded that an insufficient number of foreign troops deployed to Iraq had contributed to the deterioration in security.

    At a news conference, Anderson called for the international community to work together to improve the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan and "to make sure that those who wish to wreck progress do not prevail."

    "It's overwhelmingly important that we work together to make sure that if things can go either way, that they go the right way," he said.

    He warned that the consequences of not ensuring peace and normality in Iraq "may be a failed state and regional instability."

    "No one can pretend that everything in the country is going well," he said.

    Asked whether the Iraq war had increased the threat of terrorism, Anderson replied: "Clearly there are elements of al Qaeda that are there that were not there before."

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    they have spent nothing on rebuilding and all territory outside of the capital is controlled by warlords

    gee no one saw this coming

    it's a third world craphole that people have been bombing non stop for 40 years

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    The Administration screwed the Pooch in Afganistan, failed to get all the terrorists out, failed to help the people, failed to remove the warlords, failed to set up a stable government and failed to get Bin Laden.

    Without a huge amount of effort (not forthcoming it would seem) on the U.S.'s part, Afganistan is going to collapse into a place much worse than before, an Anarchists dream....and a safehouse for terrorists again. All becuase of the "Clear and Present Danger" Iraq supposedly was. Well, it seems that that danger did not exist as we were told, and now we have a failure in Afganistan and a 20 year commitment (at least) to keep Iraq from going the same route. And even now we look at Iran and Syria as future targets of our weapons.......

    Withdrawing most of our forces from Afganistan before our work there was done was an error in judgement and in tactics, and I can only hope we don't end up paying for that mistake. Afganistan should hev been cleared and stabilized and THEN (and only then) we should have moved on to IRAN, not Iraq.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Warfish[/i]@Jul 29 2004, 02:09 PM
    [b] The Administration screwed the Pooch in Afganistan, failed to get all the terrorists out, failed to help the people, failed to remove the warlords, failed to set up a stable government and failed to get Bin Laden.

    Without a huge amount of effort (not forthcoming it would seem) on the U.S.'s part, Afganistan is going to collapse into a place much worse than before, an Anarchists dream....and a safehouse for terrorists again. All becuase of the "Clear and Present Danger" Iraq supposedly was. Well, it seems that that danger did not exist as we were told, and now we have a failure in Afganistan and a 20 year commitment (at least) to keep Iraq from going the same route. And even now we look at Iran and Syria as future targets of our weapons.......

    Withdrawing most of our forces from Afganistan before our work there was done was an error in judgement and in tactics, and I can only hope we don't end up paying for that mistake. Afganistan should hev been cleared and stabilized and THEN (and only then) we should have moved on to IRAN, not Iraq. [/b][/quote]
    I don't disagree.

    Please remember this post next time you or Bitonti call me a mindless shill of the Republican party.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Piper+Jul 29 2004, 02:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Piper @ Jul 29 2004, 02:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Warfish[/i]@Jul 29 2004, 02:09 PM
    [b] The Administration screwed the Pooch in Afganistan, failed to get all the terrorists out, failed to help the people, failed to remove the warlords, failed to set up a stable government and failed to get Bin Laden.

    Without a huge amount of effort (not forthcoming it would seem) on the U.S.&#39;s part, Afganistan is going to collapse into a place much worse than before, an Anarchists dream....and a safehouse for terrorists again. All becuase of the "Clear and Present Danger" Iraq supposedly was. Well, it seems that that danger did not exist as we were told, and now we have a failure in Afganistan and a 20 year commitment (at least) to keep Iraq from going the same route. And even now we look at Iran and Syria as future targets of our weapons.......

    Withdrawing most of our forces from Afganistan before our work there was done was an error in judgement and in tactics, and I can only hope we don&#39;t end up paying for that mistake. Afganistan should hev been cleared and stabilized and THEN (and only then) we should have moved on to IRAN, not Iraq. [/b][/quote]
    I don&#39;t disagree.

    Please remember this post next time you or Bitonti call me a mindless shill of the Republican party. [/b][/quote]
    Actually Piper, you are an "Extreme Rightwing Looney" Shill of the Republican Party :lol: :P :lol:

    I&#39;m just kidding man. :lol: Regardless of our differences of political opinion, as a native Scotsman, born in Falkirk of Scottish and Irish blood, I could NEVER really hate a fellow Piper.

    I mean that, regardless of what I say the next time we disgaree, LOL&#33; :lol: :lol:

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Warfish+Jul 29 2004, 03:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Warfish @ Jul 29 2004, 03:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by -Piper@Jul 29 2004, 02:52 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin--Warfish[/i]@Jul 29 2004, 02:09 PM
    [b] The Administration screwed the Pooch in Afganistan, failed to get all the terrorists out, failed to help the people, failed to remove the warlords, failed to set up a stable government and failed to get Bin Laden.

    Without a huge amount of effort (not forthcoming it would seem) on the U.S.&#39;s part, Afganistan is going to collapse into a place much worse than before, an Anarchists dream....and a safehouse for terrorists again. All becuase of the "Clear and Present Danger" Iraq supposedly was. Well, it seems that that danger did not exist as we were told, and now we have a failure in Afganistan and a 20 year commitment (at least) to keep Iraq from going the same route. And even now we look at Iran and Syria as future targets of our weapons.......

    Withdrawing most of our forces from Afganistan before our work there was done was an error in judgement and in tactics, and I can only hope we don&#39;t end up paying for that mistake. Afganistan should hev been cleared and stabilized and THEN (and only then) we should have moved on to IRAN, not Iraq. [/b][/quote]
    I don&#39;t disagree.

    Please remember this post next time you or Bitonti call me a mindless shill of the Republican party. [/b][/quote]
    Actually Piper, you are an "Extreme Rightwing Looney" Shill of the Republican Party :lol: :P :lol:

    I&#39;m just kidding man. :lol: Regardless of our differences of political opinion, as a native Scotsman, born in Falkirk of Sottish and Irish blood, I could NEVER really hate a fellow Piper.

    I mean that, regardless of what I say the next time we disgaree, LOL&#33; :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
    Fair enough ;)

    And thanks for expanding my title, especially the &#39;extreme&#39; part. :D

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