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    Wow, that's all I can say. Hope you liberals watched that.

    He just stuck a stake in the heart of the Dims.

    One of the greatest speeches I've ever heard.

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    I love the guy, see him on Fox News Channel a lot....

    He's awesome..... Hell of a speech.......

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    I am almost finished reading his book and it is awesome. For those of you who liked his speech, I would without a doubt recommend reading that book

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    The reaming he gave Chrissy Matthews on MSNBC is going to get a lot of attention. Told Matthews at points that he should shut up and let him aswer his questions, reminded Matthews of his obnoxious badgering of Michelle Malkin, called him a Dem shill and said he wished it was olden times so he could challenge Mattews to a duel.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Bugg[/i]@Sep 1 2004, 10:48 PM
    [b] The reaming he gave Chrissy Matthews on MSNBC is going to get a lot of attention. Told Matthews at points that he should shut up and let him aswer his questions, reminded Matthews of his obnoxious badgering of Michelle Malkin, called him a Dem shill and said he wished it was olden times so he could challenge Mattews to a duel. [/b][/quote]
    What was funny was CNN and Matthews tried to challenge what Miller said...Zel then pulled out four pages of information and said, "I knew you'd come at me with DNC talking points and here are the facts."

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    Chris Matthews is a jerk . He was his usual self tonight. Glad Zel Miller held his ground.

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    Zell is a Democrat I'd vote for!! He's right about his Party! It has been
    Taken over by the Loonies..Alot of the Spitting,baby burning chanters
    are now in Politics!! I agree one of the best speeches I've ever heard
    also!! And the interview with Chris Matthews was priceless!! :lol:

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    My respect for this man was high before this. After his speech and after watching him take matthews to the wood shed, I believe he is my new political idol.


    [quote][b]Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, [b]today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator[/b].

    And nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators.

    Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for the freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier. And, our soldiers don't just give freedom abroad, they preserve it for us here at home.

    For it has been said so truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.

    [b]It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest.[/b]

    It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, who gives that protester the freedom to abuse and burn that flag.

    No one should dare to even think about being the Commander in Chief of this country if he doesn't believe with all his heart that our soldiers are liberators abroad and defenders of freedom at home...[/b][/quote]

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    I'm not going to get into what I think of Miller or his speech. What I don't understand is why doesn't he just officially change to the Republican Party? He has sided with conservatives his entire senetorial career. Parties change over time, if the Republican Party is more inline with his beliefs then just switch.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Sep 2 2004, 08:57 AM
    [b] I'm not going to get into what I think of Miller or his speech. What I don't understand is why doesn't he just officially change to the Republican Party? He has sided with conservatives his entire senetorial career. Parties change over time, if the Republican Party is more inline with his beliefs then just switch. [/b][/quote]
    The man was the Keynote for Bill Clinton in 1992. He is a conservative Democrat. I suppose the Dims have no room in their party for opposing positions. This is a stark contrast to the Repblicans whose stars include such social liberals as Guiliani and Schwartzeneger.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Sep 2 2004, 07:57 AM
    [b] I'm not going to get into what I think of Miller or his speech. What I don't understand is why doesn't he just officially change to the Republican Party? He has sided with conservatives his entire senetorial career. Parties change over time, if the Republican Party is more inline with his beliefs then just switch. [/b][/quote]
    The man is a very strong believer in the Democratic party. His whole family were Dems and he has grown up a Dem. He is still hoping that the Democratic party goes back to their former ideals, but I really doubt that is going to happen.

    In short: Its a matter of principle.

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    I know you watched it, but it's fun to relive the badass attack of zell...

    "No one should dare to even think about being the commander in chief of this country if he doesn't believe with all his heart that our soldiers are liberators abroad and defenders of freedom at home," he said, adding that Democrats "don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy."

    "Like you, I ask which leader it is today that has the vision, the willpower and, yes, the backbone to best protect my family? The clear answer to that question has placed me in this hall with you tonight. For my family is more important than my party."

    While young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrat's manic obsession to bring down our commander-in-chief," Miller said during his keynote address

    This is a man who wants to be the commander in chief of our U.S. armed forces? U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?"

    and the kicker -

    No pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry."

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    In case anyone missed the speech last night, here is the text.


    Text of speech by Democratic Sen. Zell Miller

    Since I last stood in this spot, a whole new generation of the Miller Family
    has been born: Four great grandchildren.

    Along with all the other members of our close-knit family, they are my and
    Shirley's most precious possessions.

    And I know that's how you feel about your family also. Like you, I think of
    their future, the promises and the perils they will face.

    Like you, I believe that the next four years will determine what kind of
    world they will grow up in.

    And like you, I ask which leader is it today that has the vision, the
    willpower and, yes, the backbone to best protect my family?

    The clear answer to that question has placed me in this hall with you
    tonight. For my family is more important than my party.

    There is but one man to whom I am willing to entrust their future and that
    man's name is George Bush.

    In the summer of 1940, I was an 8-year-old boy living in a remote little
    Appalachian valley. Our country was not yet at war, but even we children
    knew that there were some crazy men across the ocean who would kill us if
    they could.

    President Roosevelt, in his speech that summer, told America "all private
    plans, all private lives, have been in a sense repealed by an overriding
    public danger."

    In 1940, Wendell Wilkie was the Republican nominee.

    And there is no better example of someone repealing their "private plans"
    than this good man. He gave Roosevelt the critical support he needed for a
    peacetime draft, an unpopular idea at the time.

    And he made it clear that he would rather lose the election than make
    national security a partisan campaign issue.

    Shortly before Wilkie died, he told a friend, that if he could write his own
    epitaph and had to choose between "here lies a president" or "here lies one
    who contributed to saving freedom," he would prefer the latter.

    Where are such statesmen today?

    Where is the bipartisanship in this country when we need it most?

    Now, while young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq , our nation is
    being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrat's manic obsession
    to bring down our Commander in Chief.

    What has happened to the party I've spent my life working in?

    I can remember when Democrats believed that it was the duty of America to
    fight for freedom over tyranny.

    It was Democratic President Harry Truman who pushed the Red Army out of
    Iran, who came to the aid of Greece when Communists threatened to overthrow
    it, who stared down the Soviet blockade of West Berlin by flying in supplies
    and saving the city.

    Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats and
    Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter. But not
    today.

    Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's
    Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator.

    And nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American troops
    occupiers rather than liberators.

    Tell that to the one-half of Europe that was freed because Franklin
    Roosevelt led an army of liberators, not occupiers.

    Tell that to the lower half of the Korean Peninsula that is free because
    Dwight Eisenhower commanded an army of liberators, not occupiers.

    Tell that to the half a billion men, women and children who are free today
    from the Baltics to the Crimea, from Poland to Siberia, because Ronald
    Reagan rebuilt a military of liberators, not occupiers.

    Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for the
    freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier. And, our
    soldiers don't just give freedom abroad, they preserve it for us here at
    home.

    For it has been said so truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter,
    who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet,
    who has given us freedom of speech.

    It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to
    protest.

    It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose
    coffin is draped by the flag, who gives that protester the freedom to abuse
    and burn that flag.

    No one should dare to even think about being the Commander in Chief of this
    country if he doesn't believe with all his heart that our soldiers are
    liberators abroad and defenders of freedom at home.

    But don't waste your breath telling that to the leaders of my party today.
    In their warped way of thinking America is the problem, not the solution.

    They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which
    America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy.

    It is not their patriotism - it is their judgment that has been so sorely
    lacking. They claimed Carter's pacifism would lead to peace.

    They were wrong.

    They claimed Reagan's defense buildup would lead to war.

    They were wrong.

    And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
    Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.

    Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won the
    Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.

    Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to shut
    down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security but
    Americans need to know the facts.

    The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the bombs
    in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.

    The B-2 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered air strikes against
    the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hussein's command post in Iraq.

    The F-14A Tomcats, that Senator Kerry opposed, shot down Khadifi's Libyan
    MIGs over the Gulf of Sidra. The modernized F-14D, that Senator Kerry
    opposed, delivered missile strikes against Tora Bora.

    The Apache helicopter, that Senator Kerry opposed, took out those Republican
    Guard tanks in Kuwait in the Gulf War The F-15 Eagles, that Senator Kerry
    opposed, flew cover over our Nation's Capital and this very city after 9/11.


    I could go on and on and on: against the Patriot Missile that shot down
    Saddam Hussein's scud missiles over Israel; against the Aegis air-defense
    cruiser; against the Strategic Defense Initiative; against the Trident
    missile; against, against, against.

    This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of our U.S. Armed
    Forces?

    U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?

    Twenty years of votes can tell you much more about a man than twenty weeks
    of campaign rhetoric.

    Campaign talk tells people who you want them to think you are. How you vote
    tells people who you really are deep inside.

    Senator Kerry has made it clear that he would use military force only if
    approved by the United Nations
    Kerry would let Paris decide when America needs defending.

    I want Bush to decide.

    John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our
    national security.

    That's the most dangerous outsourcing of all. This politician wants to be
    leader of the free world.

    Free for how long?

    For more than 20 years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and
    security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any
    other national figure.

    As a war protester, Kerry blamed our military.

    As a Senator, he voted to weaken our military. And nothing shows that more
    sadly and more clearly than his vote this year to deny protective armor for
    our troops in harms way, far away.

    George Bush understands that we need new strategies to meet new threats.

    John Kerry wants to re-fight yesterday's war. George Bush believes we have
    to fight today's war and be ready for tomorrow's challenges. George Bush is
    committed to providing the kind of forces it takes to root out terrorists.

    No matter what spider hole they may hide in or what rock they crawl under.

    George Bush wants to grab terrorists by the throat and not let them go to
    get a better grip.

    From John Kerry, they get a "yes-no-maybe" bowl of mush that can only
    encourage our enemies and confuse our friends.

    I first got to know George Bush when we served as governors together. I
    admire this man. I am moved by the respect he shows the first lady, his
    unabashed love for his parents and his daughters, and the fact that he is
    unashamed of his belief that God is not indifferent to America.

    I can identify with someone who has lived that line in "Amazing Grace," "Was
    blind, but now I see," and I like the fact that he's the same man on
    Saturday night that he is on Sunday morning.

    He is not a slick talker but he is a straight shooter and, where I come
    from, deeds mean a lot more than words.

    I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home, a
    God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.

    The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family.

    This election will change forever the course of history, and that's not any
    history. It's our family's history.

    The only question is how. The answer lies with each of us. And, like many
    generations before us, we've got some hard choosing to do.

    Right now the world just cannot afford an indecisive America. Fainthearted
    self-indulgence will put at risk all we care about in this world.

    In this hour of danger our President has had the courage to stand up. And
    this Democrat is proud to stand up with him.

    Thank you.

    God Bless this great country and God Bless George W. Bush.

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    Yup. You guys ate it up, as expected.


    Here's another take on that speech---

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    Opposing Bush becomes unpatriotic.
    By William Saletan
    Updated Thursday, Sept. 2, 2004, at 1:16 AM PT


    The 2004 election is becoming a referendum on your right to hold the president accountable.

    That's the upshot of tonight's speeches by Vice President Dick Cheney and Zell Miller, the Republican National Convention's keynote speaker.

    The case against President Bush is simple. He sold us his tax cuts as a boon for the economy, but more than three years later, he has driven the economy into the ground. He sold us a war in Iraq as a necessity to protect the United States against weapons of mass destruction, but after spending $200 billion and nearly 1,000 American lives, and after searching the country for more than a year, we've found no such weapons.

    Tonight the Republicans had a chance to explain why they shouldn't be fired for these apparent screw-ups. Here's what Cheney said about the economic situation: "People are returning to work. Mortgage rates are low, and home ownership in this country is at an all-time high. The Bush tax cuts are working." But mortgage rates were low before Bush took office. Home ownership was already at an all-time high. And more than a million more people had jobs than have them today.

    "In Iraq, we dealt with a gathering threat," Cheney said. What about the urgent, nukes-any-day threat to the United States that supposedly warranted our expense of so much blood and treasure? Cheney was silent.

    "A senator can be wrong for 20 years without consequence to the nation," said Cheney. "But a president always casts the deciding vote." What America needs in this time of peril, he argued, is "a president we can count on to get it right."

    You can't make the case against Bush more plainly than that.

    If the convention speeches are any guide, Republicans have run out of excuses for blowing the economy, blowing the surplus, and blowing our military resources and moral capital in the wrong country. So they're going after the patriotism of their opponents. Here's what the convention keynoter, Miller, said tonight about Democrats and those who criticize the way President Bush has launched and conducted the Iraq war:

    While young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrats' manic obsession to bring down our Commander-in-Chief.

    Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator.

    In [Democratic leaders'] warped way of thinking, America is the problem, not the solution. They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself.

    Kerry would let Paris decide when America needs defending. I want Bush to decide.

    Every one of these charges is demonstrably false. When Bush addressed Congress after 9/11, Democrats embraced and applauded him. In the Afghan war, they gave him everything he asked for. Most Democratic senators, including John Kerry and John Edwards, voted to give him the authority to use force in Iraq. During and after the war, they praised Iraq's liberation. Kerry has never said that any other country should decide when the United States is entitled to defend itself.

    But the important thing isn't the falsity of the charges, which Republicans continue to repeat despite press reports debunking them. The important thing is that the GOP is trying to quash criticism of the president simply because it's criticism of the president. The election is becoming a referendum on democracy.

    In a democracy, the commander in chief works for you. You hire him when you elect him. You watch him do the job. If he makes good decisions and serves your interests, you rehire him. If he doesn't, you fire him by voting for his opponent in the next election.

    Not every country works this way. In some countries, the commander in chief builds a propaganda apparatus that equates him with the military and the nation. If you object that he's making bad decisions and disserving the national interest, you're accused of weakening the nation, undermining its security, sabotaging the commander in chief, and serving a foreign power—the very charges Miller leveled tonight against Bush's critics.

    Are you prepared to become one of those countries?

    When patriotism is impugned, the facts go out the window. You're not allowed to point out that Bush shifted the rationale for the Iraq war further and further from U.S. national security—from complicity in 9/11 to weapons of mass destruction to building democracy to relieving Iraqis of their dictator—without explaining why American troops and taxpayers should bear the burden. You're not allowed to point out that the longer a liberator stays, the more he looks like an occupier. You're not allowed to propose that the enormous postwar expenses Bush failed to budget for be covered by repealing his tax cuts for the wealthy instead of further indebting every American child.

    If you dare to say these things, you're accused—as Kerry now stands accused by Cheney and Miller—of defaming America and refusing "to support American troops in combat." You're contrasted to a president who "is unashamed of his belief that God is not indifferent to America." You're derided, in Cheney's words, for trying to show al-Qaida "our softer side." Your Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts are no match for the vice president's five draft deferments.

    In his remarks, Miller praised Wendell Wilkie, the 1940 Republican presidential nominee, who "made it clear that he would rather lose the election than make national security a partisan campaign issue." But there are three ways to make national security a campaign issue. One is to argue the facts of a particular question, as Kerry has done in Iraq. The second is to sweep aside all factual questions, as Cheney and Miller did tonight, with a categorical charge that the other party is indifferent or hostile to the country's safety. The third is to create a handy political fight, as Republicans did two years ago on the question of labor rights in the Department of Homeland Security, and frame it falsely as a national security issue in order to win an election.

    So now you have two reasons to show up at the polls in November. One is to stop Bush from screwing up economic and foreign policy more than he already has. The other is to remind him and his propagandists that even after 9/11, you still have that right.

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    [quote][b]The man was the Keynote for Bill Clinton in 1992. He is a conservative Democrat. I suppose the Dims have no room in their party for opposing positions. This is a stark contrast to the Repblicans whose stars include such social liberals as Guiliani and Schwartzeneger. [/b][/quote]

    The Democrats have no room in their party for a Republican. That is correct. If Miller were a Democrat he would be working within the party not speaking as the keynote speaker of the Republican convention.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by chiefst2000+Sep 2 2004, 09:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (chiefst2000 @ Sep 2 2004, 09:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Section109Row15[/i]@Sep 2 2004, 08:57 AM
    [b] I&#39;m not going to get into what I think of Miller or his speech. What I don&#39;t understand is why doesn&#39;t he just officially change to the Republican Party? He has sided with conservatives his entire senetorial career. Parties change over time, if the Republican Party is more inline with his beliefs then just switch. [/b][/quote]
    The man was the Keynote for Bill Clinton in 1992. He is a conservative Democrat. I suppose the Dims have no room in their party for opposing positions. This is a stark contrast to the Repblicans whose stars include such social liberals as Guiliani and Schwartzeneger. [/b][/quote]
    So so true...as posted [url=http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28420&st=0&#entry425510]yesterday[/url] the "party of inclusion" is totally hypocritical and intolerant...if you don&#39;t think like us, talk like us and act like us you are not one of us and not invited.

    As I&#39;ve stated numerous times it&#39;s party before country with the libs.

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    This guy is more of a maniac robot than Ross Perot&#33;

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by dcronin[/i]@Sep 2 2004, 10:24 AM
    [b] Yup. You guys ate it up, as expected.
    [/b][/quote]

    Opposing GW is not unpatriotic -- and no one said it was except you liberals. Getting off topic and changing the subject as usual&#33;

    Opposing the defense of our country shows poor judgement. Zell Miller proved that kerry is committed to one thing, john kerry&#39;s election. The defense of America, be damned unless it&#39;s for a photo op.

    You all wanted off the vietnam subject. You wanted a debate about the issues.

    Zell Miller just lifted the rock.

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    [quote][b]So so true...as posted yesterday the "party of inclusion" is totally hypocritical and intolerant...if you don&#39;t think like us, talk like us and act like us you are not one of us and not invited.

    As I&#39;ve stated numerous times it&#39;s party before country with the libs. [/b][/quote]

    No its that the Democrats show their true face. They don&#39;t have speakers on the fringe of thier party at the conventions. The Republicans have opened their arms to more moderates because they had to. The base of religious nuts, wealthy people, and racists was dwindling. But make no mistake about it, just because they have put forth a moderate face does not mean the tenant of their party have or will change anytime soon.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Sep 2 2004, 12:24 PM
    [b] [quote][b]So so true...as posted yesterday the "party of inclusion" is totally hypocritical and intolerant...if you don&#39;t think like us, talk like us and act like us you are not one of us and not invited.

    As I&#39;ve stated numerous times it&#39;s party before country with the libs. [/b][/quote]

    No its that the Democrats show their true face. They don&#39;t have speakers on the fringe of thier party at the conventions. The Republicans have opened their arms to more moderates because they had to. The base of religious nuts, wealthy people, and racists was dwindling. But make no mistake about it, just because they have put forth a moderate face does not mean the tenant of their party have or will change anytime soon. [/b][/quote]
    As opposed to the rats who are nothing more then fringe-leftist lunatics who close the party out to competing thoughts/ideas?

    Make no mistake about it...if the rats continue the way they are going they will soon be extinct. They have already lost the south and the tide is moving towards the west.

    Soon, cities like Chicago, NYC and Boston will be the only liberal towns in the nation.

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