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    [url=http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=738&e=1&u=/nm/20040907/tc_nm/tech_diebold_dc]http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...tech_diebold_dc[/url]

    Calif. to Sue Diebold Over False Claims

    Tue Sep 7, 6:59 PM ET Add Technology - Reuters to My Yahoo!

    SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California Attorney General Bill Lockyer said on Tuesday he would sue electronic voting machine maker Diebold Inc. (NYSE:DBD - news) on charges it defrauded the state with false claims about its products.

    Secretary of State Kevin Shelley has said Diebold deceived California with aggressive marketing that led to the installation of touch-screen voting systems that were not tested or approved nationally or in California.

    Lockyer's office issued a statement noting he has authority to intervene in and take over false claims cases involving vendors to state.

    "Lockyer determined sufficient evidence existed to go forward with a false claims lawsuit against Diebold," the statement said. The state's top lawyer earlier had dropped a criminal investigation of Diebold.

    Diebold Vice President Thomas Swidarski said in a statement that the company was pleased Lockyer dropped the probe. Despite Lockyer's decision to sue, the company is "confident that the state's decision to intervene will aid in a fair and dispassionate examination of the issues raised in the case," Swidarski said.

    California in April set tough new standards for electronic voting by ordering new security measures for e-voting machines, and California's Secretary of State called for a criminal probe into Diebold, the state's largest e-voting machine supplier.

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    We know, we know, Section. Diebold is part of the VRWC.

    (yawn)

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    Wow, the Dems are making up their exuses early on this election!

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    If Kerry wins, there is nothing wrong with any of the voting machines or vote counts, and no foul play whatsoever. However, since we all know Bush can only win if there is voter fraud, a Bush victory is all the proof anyone ever needs.

    Look at what happened in Florida in 2000. Well, actually, [i]nothing [/i]fraudulent happened, but that won't stop me from being pissed about it since my guy lost! Ah, if only those old, displaced New Yorkers in Palm Beach were smart enough to read the ballot...we could all be basking in the glow of President Gore right about now.

    That's the problem you find when Democrats count on the Stupid People vote. Occasionally, you'll pander to people who are so stupid that they actually work against you, albeit unwittingly. Maybe, instead of actually having to punch a ballot or pull a lever, we can design some sort of system of grunts in which Democrats can simply make an audible sound when they see a photo of John Kerry, and that will be enough to count as a vote...provided they are smart enough to follow instructions to remain silent when a photo of Bush comes along and provided we can prove that their eyes are actually looking at the photo of Kerry and not simply some brightly-colored object during the official grunt. (Chances are the photo of Kerry should be displayed first, since anyone who can't read a ballot isn't likely to be smart enough to remain silent through ANY photos).

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    The DNC will absolutely send lawyers to any close state that Bush takes. Their shameless BS in 2000 will pale in comparison to what they will pull this time around. Mark my words.

    The goal (at the very least) is to de-legitimize Bush as President, and set up a BS rallying cry for '08.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by shakin318[/i]@Sep 8 2004, 09:53 AM
    [b] The DNC will absolutely send lawyers to any close state that Bush takes. Their shameless BS in 2000 will pale in comparison to what they will pull this time around. Mark my words.

    The goal (at the very least) is to de-legitimize Bush as President, and set up a BS rallying cry for '08. [/b][/quote]
    You mean like the lawyers Bush had ready if he had won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote?

    Bush was a CEO (a bad one) dont forget, so his detest over lawyers is quite laugable

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by 4th&Long+Sep 8 2004, 11:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (4th&Long @ Sep 8 2004, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-shakin318[/i]@Sep 8 2004, 09:53 AM
    [b] The DNC will absolutely send lawyers to any close state that Bush takes. Their shameless BS in 2000 will pale in comparison to what they will pull this time around. Mark my words.

    The goal (at the very least) is to de-legitimize Bush as President, and set up a BS rallying cry for &#39;08. [/b][/quote]
    You mean like the lawyers Bush had ready if he had won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote?

    Bush was a CEO (a bad one) dont forget, so his detest over lawyers is quite laugable [/b][/quote]
    What a joke. The only ones I&#39;ve ever heard inferring (and in many cases openly suggesting) that we should eliminate the electoral college are democrats.

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    funny how the same people who are worried about mob mentality / tyranny of the majority and want to push through every freaking measure that defends the right of any minority, even if it numbers one, or of a brainless animal (except for healthy fetuses of course) dont want to accept the concept of the electoral college. Its only been around, oh since 1787 or so.

    it probably would be a great thing if the "red" states seceded and formed their own country. IIRC the democrat states used to be referrred to as the red states but they chafed being too linked with the Commies. That was years ago though when folks like Scoop Jackson were around. The LLLs could have their Socialist Utopia, and the rest of us would have a much stronger country in every way&#33;

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    [quote][b]funny how the same people who are worried about mob mentality / tyranny of the majority and want to push through every freaking measure that defends the right of any minority, even if it numbers one, or of a brainless animal (except for healthy fetuses of course) dont want to accept the concept of the electoral college. Its only been around, oh since 1787 or so.
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    So if a system has been in place for a long time it is infallable and never gets outdated? Should women have the right to vote? Should blacks still be slaves? Should DC be taxed without any representation (sorry I live in DC had to stick that in there.)

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    by that same logic, complete failures and ripoffs like welfare, partial-birth abortion, and affirmative action, and such blatantly unconstitutional bills like McCain-Feingold (Congress shall make no law..etc) should all be struck down.

    Cant help you with the DC thing. DC was intended to be a neutral area that the Northern or Southern states would control. A good summary found here:

    [url=http://www.tinotopia.com/log/archive/2001/01/17/district_of_columbia.htm]http://www.tinotopia.com/log/archive/2001/...of_columbia.htm[/url]

    Congress will not willfully add Democratic votes, not now anyway

    may I suggest you move to a state where you will be represented if thats a problem? MD, or MA or NY might be more to your liking

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    [quote][b]by that same logic, complete failures and ripoffs like welfare, partial-birth abortion, and affirmative action, and such blatantly unconstitutional bills like McCain-Feingold (Congress shall make no law..etc) should all be struck down.

    Cant help you with the DC thing. DC was intended to be a neutral area that the Northern or Southern states would control. A good summary found here:

    [url=http://www.tinotopia.com/log/archive/2001/...of_columbia.htm]http://www.tinotopia.com/log/archive/2001/...of_columbia.htm[/url]

    Congress will not willfully add Democratic votes, not now anyway

    may I suggest you move to a state where you will be represented if thats a problem? MD, or MA or NY might be more to your liking
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    You havn&#39;t responded to my question. You simply added your own proof to my point that just because something has been on the books, doesn&#39;t mean it should never be changed or modified.

    As for the D.C. thing, DC&#39;s boundaries were much smaller at the time. The population was mainly made up of politicians. You are right though as long as Republicans control the House and Senate there is no chance in hell they will extend voting rights to DC which typically votes 89% Democrat and where the Democratic Mayor won the Republican primary as a write-in.

    Everyone should note we no longer have a crackhead, Marion Barry, as mayor. DC is revitalizing at an enormous rate. I&#39;ve only been here for 7 years and the change is astonishing. Its time we had the right to vote.

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