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    This is what all you kerry supporters dream about, I guess.

    [u]POLL RESULTS (KERRY-BUSH)[/u]
    Norway: 74%-7%
    Germany: 74%-10%
    [b]France: 64%-5% [/b]
    Italy: 58%-14%
    Spain: 45%-7%
    UK: 47%-16%
    Canada: 61%-16%
    [b]Mexico: 38%-18%[/b] <--- this one&#39;s for you Riggins
    Brazil: 57%-14%
    [b]China: 52%-12%[/b]
    Japan: 43%-32%
    Indonesia: 57%-34%
    India: 34%-33%
    Philippines: 32%-57%
    Nigeria: 33%-27%
    Poland: 26%-31%
    Thailand: 30%-33%

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    You should have highlighted the fact that only 3 countries favor Bush. India is split evenly, wonder if that has anything to do with many of our jobs being shipped over there?

    POLL RESULTS (KERRY-BUSH)
    Norway: 74%-7%
    Germany: 74%-10%
    France: 64%-5%
    Italy: 58%-14%
    Spain: 45%-7%
    UK: 47%-16%
    Canada: 61%-16%
    Mexico: 38%-18%
    Brazil: 57%-14%
    China: 52%-12%
    Japan: 43%-32%
    Indonesia: 57%-34%
    India: 34%-33%
    [b]Philippines: 32%-57%[/b]
    Nigeria: 33%-27%
    [b]Poland: 26%-31%[/b]
    [b]Thailand: 30%-33%[/b]

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Sep 9 2004, 11:37 AM
    [b] You should have highlighted the fact that only 3 countries favor Bush. India is split evenly, wonder if that has anything to do with many of our jobs being shipped over there?

    POLL RESULTS (KERRY-BUSH)
    Norway: 74%-7%
    Germany: 74%-10%
    France: 64%-5%
    Italy: 58%-14%
    Spain: 45%-7%
    UK: 47%-16%
    Canada: 61%-16%
    Mexico: 38%-18%
    Brazil: 57%-14%
    China: 52%-12%
    Japan: 43%-32%
    Indonesia: 57%-34%
    India: 34%-33%
    [b]Philippines: 32%-57%[/b]
    Nigeria: 33%-27%
    [b]Poland: 26%-31%[/b]
    [b]Thailand: 30%-33%[/b] [/b][/quote]
    I agree. Also, I am at a loss as to why this post is a knock against Kerry. Do we not want other nations to respect our President?

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    According to Weeb, every country (except for Phillipenes, India, and the Polocks) is wrong, and the people in Texas are right. Cause will all know middle America has the monopoly on perspective and intelligent thinking. :D

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    I love French food and Chinese women..
    I knew those countries were on to something.

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    [quote][b]I agree. Also, I am at a loss as to why this post is a knock against Kerry. Do we not want other nations to respect our President?
    [/b][/quote]

    Do any conservatives want to support Weebs assertion that this is a reason not to vote for Kerry?

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    International opinion should never have any impact on a domestic election. These people and their governments do [u]not [/u]have our interests at heart, period. End of discussion. This poll is neither a negative nor a positive for Kerry or Bush.

    Respect is not tantamount to &#39;approval.&#39; In fact, respect is often awarded to those we probably dislike, perhaps even intensely. It is also quite possible to "approve" of someone while not respecting them.

    Nations HAVE to respect whoever the US President is, because of our country&#39;s dominant position in the world. Their "approval" is simply an ephemeral emotion that has no bearing on anything, or, at least, shouldn&#39;t to rational people who understand the dangers of factoring in international polling when determining who to vote for. Do you guys honestly think a single member of any of these other countries gives two sh*ts about what Americans think of their candidates? I don&#39;t either....

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by jets5ever[/i]@Sep 9 2004, 02:13 PM
    [b] International opinion should never have any impact on a domestic election. These people and their governments do [u]not [/u]have our interests at heart, period. End of discussion. This poll is neither a negative nor a positive for Kerry or Bush.

    Respect is not tantamount to &#39;approval.&#39; In fact, respect is often awarded to those we probably dislike, perhaps even intensely. It is also quite possible to "approve" of someone while not respecting them.

    Nations HAVE to respect whoever the US President is, because of our country&#39;s dominant position in the world. Their "approval" is simply an ephemeral emotion that has no bearing on anything, or, at least, shouldn&#39;t to rational people who understand the dangers of factoring in international polling when determining who to vote for. Do you guys honestly think a single member of any of these other countries gives two sh*ts about what Americans think of their candidates? I don&#39;t either.... [/b][/quote]
    I dont disagree with this. It does not matter to me if Kerry&#39;s approval rating in Norway is higher than Bush&#39;s. I do think what Section pointed is interesting.

    My knock against this is the post itself. It was meant as a knock against Kerry which I dont understand.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by 4th&Long+Sep 9 2004, 01:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (4th&Long @ Sep 9 2004, 01:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Section109Row15[/i]@Sep 9 2004, 11:37 AM
    [b] You should have highlighted the fact that only 3 countries favor Bush. India is split evenly, wonder if that has anything to do with many of our jobs being shipped over there?

    POLL RESULTS (KERRY-BUSH)
    Norway: 74%-7%
    Germany: 74%-10%
    France: 64%-5%
    Italy: 58%-14%
    Spain: 45%-7%
    UK: 47%-16%
    Canada: 61%-16%
    Mexico: 38%-18%
    Brazil: 57%-14%
    China: 52%-12%
    Japan: 43%-32%
    Indonesia: 57%-34%
    India: 34%-33%
    [b]Philippines: 32%-57%[/b]
    Nigeria: 33%-27%
    [b]Poland: 26%-31%[/b]
    [b]Thailand: 30%-33%[/b] [/b][/quote]
    I agree. Also, I am at a loss as to why this post is a knock against Kerry. Do we not want other nations to respect our President? [/b][/quote]
    Obviously you don&#39;t pay attention: as with his proclomation of service in Vietnam, which is now coming around to bite him in the ass, wasn&#39;t it kerri who publicly proclaimed that, "several foriegn leaders came up to me and said- you&#39;ve got to win this thing...we&#39;ve got to get Bush out of there" ????

    Of course kerri would not mention any names when questioned....

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY+Sep 9 2004, 02:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Come Back to NY @ Sep 9 2004, 02:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by 4th&Long@Sep 9 2004, 01:33 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-Section109Row15[/i]@Sep 9 2004, 11:37 AM
    [b] You should have highlighted the fact that only 3 countries favor Bush. India is split evenly, wonder if that has anything to do with many of our jobs being shipped over there?

    POLL RESULTS (KERRY-BUSH)
    Norway: 74%-7%
    Germany: 74%-10%
    France: 64%-5%
    Italy: 58%-14%
    Spain: 45%-7%
    UK: 47%-16%
    Canada: 61%-16%
    Mexico: 38%-18%
    Brazil: 57%-14%
    China: 52%-12%
    Japan: 43%-32%
    Indonesia: 57%-34%
    India: 34%-33%
    [b]Philippines: 32%-57%[/b]
    Nigeria: 33%-27%
    [b]Poland: 26%-31%[/b]
    [b]Thailand: 30%-33%[/b] [/b][/quote]
    I agree. Also, I am at a loss as to why this post is a knock against Kerry. Do we not want other nations to respect our President? [/b][/quote]
    Obviously you don&#39;t pay attention: as with his proclomation of service in Vietnam, which is now coming around to bite him in the ass, wasn&#39;t it kerri who publicly proclaimed that, "several foriegn leaders came up to me and said- you&#39;ve got to win this thing...we&#39;ve got to get Bush out of there" ????

    Of course kerri would not mention any names when questioned.... [/b][/quote]
    I forgot that even electing Kerry means armageddon for this country. I will keep that in mind.

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    [quote][b]Obviously you don&#39;t pay attention: as with his proclomation of service in Vietnam, which is now coming around to bite him in the ass, wasn&#39;t it kerri who publicly proclaimed that, "several foriegn leaders came up to me and said- you&#39;ve got to win this thing...we&#39;ve got to get Bush out of there" ????

    Of course kerri would not mention any names when questioned....
    [/b][/quote]

    Based on those poll numbers it doesn&#39;t look like he has to name any names. Is there any reason to doubt what he said when the majority of the world wants Bush gone?

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    It only matters if Allawi likes bush :P

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    Weeb likes to stir the soup, that&#39;s all the post means.

    Indians have seen their standard of living rise in direct proportion to the fact that they have opened up their economy and are now more of a market economy than they have ever been before. Countries do not continue to trade unless they both benefit from that trade. If the cost of captial is lowered, prices get lowered, and real wages go up. People assume (wrongly) that there is a finite number of jobs to be had, and that any "outsourced" must come in as a loss to others. But new industries are always sprouting up. Our workers need to be flexible. If you&#39;ve only bothered to learn one trade or skill, that is YOUR fault and you cannot expect nor demand that the world or government act in such a way as to ensure that that skill will provide gainful employment at a high wage.

    A long time ago, people moved into cities, and factories and machines displaved weavers and individual seamstresses. Many people lost their jobs during this industrialization period, but the [i]real[/i] price of clothing dropped dramatically and aggregate production increased a hundredfold and the country (and economy) as a whole was better off for it, even though this needed transition involved very real short term pain for those whose skill sets had not evolved in proportion with the changing times. Railroads meant that local businessmen now faced competition from farther away, but prices all went down because of the increased competition, and everyone was better off on the whole, even though many good, hard-working people were simply driven out of business due to economies of scale and mass production. 50 years ago, IT jobs didn&#39;t even really exist and we certainly didn&#39;t anticipate that they&#39;d be outsourced at any time. Technological innovation and increased competition from overseas as the globe essentially shirnks is both a challenge and an opportunity for Americans. We have a much bigger market in which to participate, but the downside is that we now have more competitors on the production side, including employment. There is no such thing as a free lunch and there are always going to be trade-offs. If we restrict "outsourcing" our prices will go up, or companies will simply move to other countries that are not so protectionist, meaning that we&#39;ll lose jobs and tax revenues anyway. If we stop ttrading with other countries, they will stop trading with us, and Toyota plants in Detroit will shut down, and we&#39;ll lose jobs and tax revenue, etc. We need to concentrate on educating our population, so that we can remain as competitive as we always have been, and to remain on the leading edge of technological innovation.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Sep 9 2004, 02:27 PM
    [b] [quote][b]Obviously you don&#39;t pay attention: as with his proclomation of service in Vietnam, which is now coming around to bite him in the ass, wasn&#39;t it kerri who publicly proclaimed that, "several foriegn leaders came up to me and said- you&#39;ve got to win this thing...we&#39;ve got to get Bush out of there" ????

    Of course kerri would not mention any names when questioned....
    [/b][/quote]

    Based on those poll numbers it doesn&#39;t look like he has to name any names. Is there any reason to doubt what he said when the majority of the world wants Bush gone? [/b][/quote]
    he can say whatever he likes...he&#39;s a lib and has first ammendment rights (unlike those with opposiing views)...but like everything else he says then tries to use on the campaign stump it blew up in his face.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY[/i]@Sep 9 2004, 02:32 PM
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    he can say whatever he likes...he&#39;s a lib and has first ammendment rights (unlike those with opposiing views)...but like everything else he says then tries to use on the campaign stump it blew up in his face. [/b][/quote]
    Hey CBTNY, I can admit that Kerry has flaws. Do you disagree with Bush on anything?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by 4th&Long+Sep 9 2004, 02:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (4th&Long @ Sep 9 2004, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Come Back to NY[/i]@Sep 9 2004, 02:32 PM
    [b]
    he can say whatever he likes...he&#39;s a lib and has first ammendment rights (unlike those with opposiing views)...but like everything else he says then tries to use on the campaign stump it blew up in his face. [/b][/quote]
    Hey CBTNY, I can admit that Kerry has flaws. Do you disagree with Bush on anything? [/b][/quote]
    plenty....

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    5Ever: Just for You.

    ""being able to purchase groceries 20 percent cheaper at Wal-Mart does not necessarily make up for the wage losses."


    [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/09/business/worldbusiness/09outsource.html?pagewanted=1]http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/09/business...ml?pagewanted=1[/url]

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Sep 9 2004, 01:34 PM
    [b] Cause will all know middle America has the monopoly on perspective and intelligent thinking. :D [/b][/quote]
    Maybe, maybe not.

    One thing we are sure of, is that you definitely don&#39;t have the monopoly on perspective and intelligent thinking.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by jets5ever[/i]@Sep 9 2004, 02:13 PM
    [b] International opinion should never have any impact on a domestic election. These people and their governments do [u]not [/u]have our interests at heart, period. End of discussion. This poll is neither a negative nor a positive for Kerry or Bush.

    Respect is not tantamount to &#39;approval.&#39; In fact, respect is often awarded to those we probably dislike, perhaps even intensely. It is also quite possible to "approve" of someone while not respecting them.

    Nations HAVE to respect whoever the US President is, because of our country&#39;s dominant position in the world. Their "approval" is simply an ephemeral emotion that has no bearing on anything, or, at least, shouldn&#39;t to rational people who understand the dangers of factoring in international polling when determining who to vote for. Do you guys honestly think a single member of any of these other countries gives two sh*ts about what Americans think of their candidates? I don&#39;t either.... [/b][/quote]
    Damn good post Jets5. Damn good&#33; :D

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    Just goes to show, how elitist LLLs here are about life in the big city. For your information, Middle America , which is OUR country, is a lot more decent in every way than just about any of these

    Norway: monocultural anti-Semites.
    Germany: do I have to say anything
    France: ditto
    Italy: ally, but 1/2 socialist
    Spain: cobardes
    UK: 3/4 socialist but dependable ally. blair is a great guy
    Canada: govt run by Eastern elites but the West is pro-US.
    Mexico: ingrates AND leetches.
    Brazil: anus of the world
    China: Commies
    Japan: usually try to avoid aggression to save face but realize KIM jung Mentally Ill is a threat
    Indonesia: Islamic fanatics-see "Year of Living Dangerously"
    India: Islamic threat too close to home
    Philippines: dump them, keep the women (but only if you have &#036; to burn)
    Nigeria: Islamic but not 100% nuts-yet
    Poland: now theres a sensible country
    Thailand: need I say why Bangkok is named so appropriatelty

    in short, who gives a flying f**k off a dead dogs c**k. why is everyone who is not trying to kill us trying to come over here?

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