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    Mussina
    Duque
    Brown
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    If any of these veterans lose, it won't be because of nerves or a lack of confidence ... they'll just get beat

    Vazquez, OTOH, is too soft, lacks in confidence, and is always good for at least one or two killer HR's Per Game

    Regardless of what happens with Brown tomorrow ... it's his first start back from the DL so he has an excuse to fail ... he gets the ball over Vazquez in a NY minute

    Lieber too ... crafty veteran who has the stomach and the guile to be a #4 Guy

    As for Vazquez, it&#39;s off to the pen ... hopefully we can ask him to get a few outs in the 6th or 7th if necessary, without surrendering one of his patented moon shots <_<

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    Why is Torre not giving the ball to Karsay, and hanking it to Nitkowski, Proctor, and Heredia??


    I&#39;d like to see if he has any value for the post season&#33;&#33;

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    Originally posted by JonEJet@Sep 25 2004, 10:58 PM
    Why is Torre not giving the ball to Karsay, and hanking it to Nitkowski, Proctor, and Heredia??


    I&#39;d like to see if he has any value for the post season&#33;&#33;
    Good ? Jon. I think Karsay must be hurting a bit. Because he has only pitched 5 innings since his return. He has obviously been ruled out of the postseason equation. Tanyon has Joe&#39;s confidence at the moment for the role Karsay would have filled.

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    Heredia should just be gone. Does this guy have incriminating photos of someone? There isn&#39;t any explanation for why this guy is still here.

    When Vasquez walked Bellhorn early I wanted to slap him silly. He may have 17 HRs, but in that lineup you have to throw strikes to the few hitters than are relatively less of a threat.

    GJH has it right. El Duque has icewater in his veins, and Brown&#39;s been there.

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    The rotation looked much better when it projected to be: Brown, Moose, Orlando and then the # 4 winner.

    Brown when he is on is the only true ace on the staff. But considering he screwed things up and will only have 2 starts, the 3rd start is the best he can hope for.

    Lieber has been a pleasant surprise lately. He seems to have regained his arm strength and is keeping them in games. Hopefully Brown throws well the next 2 times out, regardless of the outcome.

    Brown has been the key IMO all along. W&#092;out him....it is not good.

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    if there is any God out there, Vasquez wont see the light of day in October (nor the light of stadiums at night)

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    vazquez sucks, he needs to work on his fastball, it rises in the wheelhouse to at least 1 batter every inning.


    pathetic.

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    i just hope we didnt rush Kevin Brown out on the mound too early from his injury

    then again, Kevin Brown with the injury (which makes it hard for him to field with his glove) is still better than a healthy Vasquez, Halsey and Loaiza :blink:

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    Originally posted by Maxman@Sep 25 2004, 10:39 PM


    Brown has been the key IMO all along. W&#092;out him....it is not good.
    You better hope today was not a sign of things to come.

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    Originally posted by ScottishJet+Sep 26 2004, 07:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ScottishJet @ Sep 26 2004, 07:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Maxman@Sep 25 2004, 10:39 PM


    Brown has been the key IMO all along. W&#092;out him....it is not good.
    You better hope today was not a sign of things to come. [/b][/quote]
    yeah but he just got rushed back from an injury, its hard to judge how he&#39;ll do against the Athletics/Twins when they&#39;re lineups cant compare to the Sawx

    ofcourse, when the ALCS rolls around..... :blink:

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    Originally posted by ScottishJet+Sep 26 2004, 08:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ScottishJet @ Sep 26 2004, 08:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Maxman@Sep 25 2004, 10:39 PM


    Brown has been the key IMO all along. W&#092;out him....it is not good.
    You better hope today was not a sign of things to come. [/b][/quote]
    The best has yet to come&#33;

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    Originally posted by Maxman+Sep 25 2004, 09:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Maxman @ Sep 25 2004, 09:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JonEJet@Sep 25 2004, 10:58 PM
    Why is Torre not giving the ball to Karsay, and hanking it to Nitkowski, Proctor, and Heredia??


    I&#39;d like to see if he has any value for the post season&#33;&#33;
    Good ? Jon. I think Karsay must be hurting a bit. Because he has only pitched 5 innings since his return. He has obviously been ruled out of the postseason equation. Tanyon has Joe&#39;s confidence at the moment for the role Karsay would have filled. [/b][/quote]
    Tanyon Sturtze might get the 7th innings of key games in the postseason instead of Quantrill, if Paul keeps on struggling. Sturtze has been real solid since he changed his pitch selection. No more cute stuff, just let &#39;er rip.

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    Originally posted by Maxman+Sep 26 2004, 09:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Maxman @ Sep 26 2004, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
    Originally posted by ScottishJet@Sep 26 2004, 08:53 PM
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    @Sep 25 2004, 10:39 PM


    Brown has been the key IMO all along. W&#092;out him....it is not good.

    You better hope today was not a sign of things to come.
    The best has yet to come&#33; [/b][/quote]
    I need to see more of Brown before passing him off as a waste for the post-season. He should get a start against the Jays this weekend. Hopefully, he goes 6 innings and shows something. Then he can be OK for the post-season.

    Someone mentioned the weaker lineups of the A&#39;s and Twins. True. But the Twins get their hits in bunches, and the A&#39;s may not make it over the Angels/Rangers. Both those teams have much stronger lineups then the A&#39;s.

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    so its decided, in no necessary order (besides #1)

    We put as starters:

    El Duque
    Brown
    *****na
    Leiber

    we put as set-up men in the bullpen:

    Vasquez
    Sturtze

    we send to a German concentration camp, preferably Auswitchz:
    Laoiza
    Halsay
    Contrares (since we&#39;re still paying half of his salary)

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    Originally posted by blackout806@Sep 28 2004, 07:03 PM
    so its decided, in no necessary order (besides #1)

    We put as starters:

    El Duque
    Brown
    *****na
    Leiber

    we put as set-up men in the bullpen:

    Vasquez
    Sturtze

    we send to a German concentration camp, preferably Auswitchz:
    Laoiza
    Halsay
    Contrares (since we&#39;re still paying half of his salary)
    Pretty much agree, except that a miracle might happen, and Halsey may stay as a lefty specialist, if Torre comes to his senses soon enough. Lefties are 3 for 26 (.115 batting average) against him, and 2 of those hits were curtesy of Lofton/Matsui being unable to catch routine pop flies (both from David Ortiz).

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    Originally posted by mbn007+Sep 29 2004, 08:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mbn007 @ Sep 29 2004, 08:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-blackout806@Sep 28 2004, 07:03 PM
    so its decided, in no necessary order (besides #1)

    We put as starters:

    El Duque
    Brown
    *****na
    Leiber

    we put as set-up men in the bullpen:

    Vasquez
    Sturtze

    we send to a German concentration camp, preferably Auswitchz:
    Laoiza
    Halsay
    Contrares (since we&#39;re still paying half of his salary)
    Pretty much agree, except that a miracle might happen, and Halsey may stay as a lefty specialist, if Torre comes to his senses soon enough. Lefties are 3 for 26 (.115 batting average) against him, and 2 of those hits were curtesy of Lofton/Matsui being unable to catch routine pop flies (both from David Ortiz). [/b][/quote]
    Good call. Felix the cat certainly does not qualify as a lefty specialist.

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