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    But the Dems don't see the connection to security

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    GOP Accused of Padding Intelligence Bill

    Thu Sep 30, 4:17 AM ET Politics - U. S. Congress

    By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON - New immigration barriers and expanded police powers, as well as making more of the public airwaves available for emergency services, are some of the issues trying to find a home in a bill to overhaul U.S. spy agencies.

    With the political pressure of an Election Day coming up, Democrats are complaining that too many items they consider extraneous have gotten tacked onto legislation designed to enact recommendations of the Sept. 11 commission on better fighting terrorism.

    "There are many provisions in this bill that have no relation or tangential relation to the 9/11 commission report," Rep. Jerrold Nadler (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y., said Wednesday. "We should consider them in a bill separate from this."

    The House and Senate are churning their way through separate bills to create a national intelligence director and a national counterterrorism center to address the Sept. 11 commission's complaint that the nation's intelligence agencies didn't work together properly to stop the terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington.

    However, those two ideas that an intelligence director should exist before Election Day and have a counterterrorism center to help fight terrorism are about the only things that the House, Senate and White House agree on so far.

    House Republicans who want the Sept. 11 bill to include other anti-terrorism and immigration enforcement powers produced a 300-plus page package laden with bills they had introduced before the Sept. 11 report came out.

    By doing a large, comprehensive bill that would increase police powers and implement new anti-immigration measures such as denying immigrants certain court appeals and allowing more people to be arrested on accusations of supporting a terrorist group, House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., says they're responding to what the Sept. 11 commission wants: greater security for America.

    If "we don't deal with law enforcement and immigration issues, we basically can peel off the back part of the 9/11 commission recommendation and say that things are fine and we can do business as usual," he said before his committee approved its bill on a nearly partisan vote.

    All the Democrats voted against the bill Wednesday except Rep. Adam Schiff (news, bio, voting record) of California.

    "At the end of the day, we are left with a bill that not only does not implement all of the 9/11 commission's recommendations, but that includes numerous extraneous, unnecessary and controversial provisions," said Rep. John Conyers (news, bio, voting record) of Michigan, the committee's top Democrat.

    The Senate won't accept those items when it comes time to negotiate a final bill, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said. "This is their way of stopping the 9/11 commission's recommendations from being implemented."

    The Senate, meanwhile, is slogging through an estimated 300 amendments to its bill to create the intelligence director, and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota already have agreed to limit any changes to their bill to items directly related to the Sept. 11 report.

    But that also leaves some issues that at first glance still might be considered out of bounds to some people.

    For example, Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., wanted to use the bill to order the Federal Communications Commission (news - web sites) to speed up the planned switch by the nation's television stations to digital broadcasts.

    The Sept. 11 commission had complained that police and rescue units had trouble communicating during the terrorist attacks, and McCain wants first responders to be able to use the analog airwaves that TV stations will be giving up as they change over to digital signals.

    "It is important that we get this spectrum to our public safety and first responders so that they will be able to communicate in case of a disaster or attack," McCain said.

    Senators easily beat back an amendment sponsored by Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., that would give a new national intelligence director control over the military's intelligence agencies, the first salvo in the fight between the intelligence community's supporters and the military's supporters.

    Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio, voting record), R-Maine, chairwoman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee (news - web sites), said lawmakers had agreed to leave the military tactical intelligence agencies under control of the Pentagon (news - web sites). "We do not want to sever the link between these agencies and the secretary of defense," she said.

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    Won't happen Piper. At least not in a meaningful way.

    Republicans are indebted to corporations that lust cheap labor--ie, McCain, Flake, Kolb and Renzi going against 75% of Arizonian's on prop.200*. Meanwhile, slimebag Democraps know that 90% of these impoverished, exploited illegals will vote for their party if there is another amnesty.

    California was once (as recently as the late 1980's) as Republican as Utah or Idaho, until throngs of illegals got amnesty in 1986 and turned the state into a liberal, financially bankrupt cesspool. Obviously, the Democratic elites are more into winning elections, than running California in a intelligent manner :rolleyes:

    There are about 115 great Republicans in congress and about 20 fantastic senators (split between the 2 parties) when it comes to the border issue. They are with the 80% Americans that want this issue dealt with swiftly and illegal immigration stopped. Regretably, the GOP and Democratic heads won't allow this issue to get any traction.

    Deficits, overcrowding, crime, terrorisim, higher taxes....what good comes from this lawlessness?

    Let me leave with a quote from the great Dana Rorbacher (R-CA): [i]This will be the last election that the illegal immigration issue will be ignored. If the Republicans or democrats don't deal with this soon, a 3rd party will![/i]

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    For the first time in a while, I'll throw some slight praise at President George Bush--notice I didn't write El Presidente Jorge Arbusto ;)

    Anyway, [url=][/url] has a feature today showing Bush actually refered to the [b]need for tighter border security[/b] last night in the debate, while Juan Kohn-Kerry just sat back like a fool and stood silent, appearently to impress his racist buddies over at LaRaza and MEChA, who want to "ethnically cleanse" large parts of the western U.S of all Europeans and blacks. These people want to use uncontrolled illegal immigration to eventually wipe out our borders.......:wacko:

    [quote][b]When Jim Lehrer asked Kerry what he would do differently to increase the homeland security of the United States from what Bush is doing, Kerry said, in this order, more cops, fixing subways and tunnels, inspecting cargo ships, stopping tax cuts for the wealthy, protecting chemical plants and chasing down nuclear material in Russia. No mention of borders.

    In his response, Bush spoke first of creating the DHS to protect borders and ports and then of adding more border patrol agents and modernizing the border.[/b][/quote]

    Bush is standing WITH 90% Americans who want tighter border security post 9-11 and over 80% of Americans that want end the problem of illegal immigration.......A little more praise: President Bush is fighting some Republican a$$hole from Idaho named Larry Craig, who is in bed with Kerry/ Edwards and the entire liberal cabal seeking "stealth amnesty" for over 3 million criminals..... [url=][/url]

    Slight praise for Bush....Finally, after months of bashing him on border issues, he deserves some...............Where's [b]Weeb[/b] when we need him :o

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    Chief, the praise is "slight" and guarded. This coming from a registered Republican.

    However, it appears Juan Kohn-Kerry is just too deeply liberal for the American people at this point.

    Democrats got a weak, deafatble incumbent, and what do they do? They continue to cling to the radical, almost communist left of the Nancy Pelosi-Teresa Heinz crowd :rolleyes:

    By the way, Kohn-Kerry looked weird last night.....Is his face Orange? :rolleyes: :unsure: [img][/img]


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