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    This isn't a lockout. This is a joke.

    How do you resolve anything when both sides don't negotiate??

    F Bettman. F Goodenow F the NHL

    I live in what could arguably be called the STRONGEST NHL city in the US. It's hard to say that Detroit could beat Toronto or Montreal, but I can confidently say that Detroit has the strongest fan base and fan support of any American team in the NHL. (We are after all Hockeytown if you haven't heard )

    But guess what. No one here cares anymore!! The majority opinion here is F 'em, let 'em all rot, I can live without the NHL this year. Detroit,MI,USA and no one could care less if they see the Wings on the ice this year. Apathy has taken over.

    It's sad. And what's sadder, I could care less too.



    Wednesday, October 27, 2004

    No plans made to meet in future

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    Associated Press

    NEW YORK -- Negotiators for the NHL and its players' union discussed various topics in their first face-to-face meeting in over a month, but the league's labor problems were not the focus of the talks.

    Ted Saskin, the senior director of the players association, was in New York on other business Tuesday and got together with Bill Daly -- the NHL's chief legal officer.

    The sides had not met in person since the last negotiating session on Sept. 9, one week before the NHL imposed a lockout following the expiration of the collective bargaining agreement.

    "I know they were in the same place, but it was more of a conversation as opposed to a negotiation," NHL spokesman Frank Brown said Wednesday, the 42nd day of the lockout.

    Daly and Saskin talked about last month's World Cup of Hockey tournament, a joint venture between the league and the players association, and other issues. The ongoing labor dispute was also discussed but just in a passing fashion.

    No negotiating took place and no plans were made to meet in the future.

    NHLPA spokesman Jonathan Weatherdon also said Tuesday's meeting was not a negotiating session and that no future labor talks were set up.

    The NHL regular season was due to begin Oct. 13, but games are being canceled by teams on a 45-day rolling basis.

    During the last negotiating session in Toronto, the NHLPA proposed a luxury-tax based system that was rejected by the league. The NHL wants a system that guarantees "cost certainty" which the players association says is akin to a salary cap -- a solution it refuses to accept.

    Player representatives from all 30 clubs will meet with union leadership in Toronto on Tuesday to get an update on the lockout that shows no sign of ending.

    There is no hope of games being played before December, and even the most optimistic observers say there won't be any NHL hockey until the new year.

    It is then that the league and the players association will face a deadline: make a deal, or try again in the fall to save the 2005-06 season.

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    Guns I read about this and could not believe it- they got together and did not discuss the hockey impasse. These guys show no common sense- the fans and media are not even paying attention that there is no hockey.
    I will watch college hockey to get my hockey fix. I will follow the goaltender Rangers drafted in the first round. My nephew just started Boston College-and college hockey is real big in that area. At least those kids care about playing.

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    Originally posted by faba@Oct 29 2004, 09:32 AM
    Guns I read about this and could not believe it- they got together and did not discuss the hockey impasse. These guys show no common sense- the fans and media are not even paying attention that there is no hockey.
    I will watch college hockey to get my hockey fix. I will follow the goaltender Rangers drafted in the first round. My nephew just started Boston College-and college hockey is real big in that area. At least those kids care about playing.
    Agreed. I watched UMICH and Ferris ST tonight in a CCHA match.

    If only my Northern Michigan Wildcats would get their crap together.


    I agree with you. F em all. I'll watch college

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    Originally posted by The Gun Of Bavaria@Oct 29 2004, 01:01 PM
    This isn't a lockout. This is a joke.

    How do you resolve anything when both sides don't negotiate??

    F Bettman. F Goodenow F the NHL

    I live in what could arguably be called the STRONGEST NHL city in the US. It's hard to say that Detroit could beat Toronto or Montreal, but I can confidently say that Detroit has the strongest fan base and fan support of any American team in the NHL. (We are after all Hockeytown if you haven't heard )

    But guess what. No one here cares anymore!! The majority opinion here is F 'em, let 'em all rot, I can live without the NHL this year. Detroit,MI,USA and no one could care less if they see the Wings on the ice this year. Apathy has taken over.

    It's sad. And what's sadder, I could care less too.



    Wednesday, October 27, 2004

    No plans made to meet in future

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    Associated Press

    NEW YORK -- Negotiators for the NHL and its players' union discussed various topics in their first face-to-face meeting in over a month, but the league's labor problems were not the focus of the talks.

    Ted Saskin, the senior director of the players association, was in New York on other business Tuesday and got together with Bill Daly -- the NHL's chief legal officer.

    The sides had not met in person since the last negotiating session on Sept. 9, one week before the NHL imposed a lockout following the expiration of the collective bargaining agreement.

    "I know they were in the same place, but it was more of a conversation as opposed to a negotiation," NHL spokesman Frank Brown said Wednesday, the 42nd day of the lockout.

    Daly and Saskin talked about last month's World Cup of Hockey tournament, a joint venture between the league and the players association, and other issues. The ongoing labor dispute was also discussed but just in a passing fashion.

    No negotiating took place and no plans were made to meet in the future.

    NHLPA spokesman Jonathan Weatherdon also said Tuesday's meeting was not a negotiating session and that no future labor talks were set up.

    The NHL regular season was due to begin Oct. 13, but games are being canceled by teams on a 45-day rolling basis.

    During the last negotiating session in Toronto, the NHLPA proposed a luxury-tax based system that was rejected by the league. The NHL wants a system that guarantees "cost certainty" which the players association says is akin to a salary cap -- a solution it refuses to accept.

    Player representatives from all 30 clubs will meet with union leadership in Toronto on Tuesday to get an update on the lockout that shows no sign of ending.

    There is no hope of games being played before December, and even the most optimistic observers say there won't be any NHL hockey until the new year.

    It is then that the league and the players association will face a deadline: make a deal, or try again in the fall to save the 2005-06 season.
    The NHL is seriously f'ing up.

    You hit the nail on the head. No one cares. NFL and college football is underway and we just got done with another great MLB playoffs.

    I bet you could take a poll in NHL towns and most people would not even know they are on strike.

    I used to love the Bruins until I came to realize Jeremy Jacobs is the absolute worst owner in sports. I have probably watched more UNH Wildcats tournament hockey over the last few years then the Bruins.

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    As a rabid, insane Whalers fan, I've been on strike since April of 1997...My theory was always Betteman didn't like hockey and could care less about the fans...He treats the sport as a business--plain and simple.........I hate that jerk... Angry

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    To show you how effed up the NHL is, Hartford was a small but supportive and very affluent market. UConn basketball-selling to the same market-is arguably the most successfully-run NCAA basketball team in America. Heck, for many games, the Whalers and Huskies both used the Civic Center. Granted, the Civic Center is short of state of the art, but it could be. In fact, had the Whalers reached out to youth hockey and people who would be inclined to abandon the Rangers and Bruins and incorporated the support of the 2 Indian casinos, you have the makings of a great business plan. And instead, they move the team down South to a market that is so Nascar/college basketball/NFL crazy that there's no place for hockey, and no youth programs at all. And then they wonder, why even after a Finals berth, that team is a disaster. The Devils-in a smiliar situation(bewteen big markets, affluent neighborhood)-have thrived. If b-schools were looking for an example of why the NHL is a financial mess, Hartford would be Exhibit A. Why was moving them to Carolina not only allowed, but encouraged?

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    Bugg, here's all folks need to know about the Whalers (proven Bettman is a total ass):

    1) In their final 3 seasons in CT, the Whalers played to over 95% capacity and never made the playoffs.

    2) In the spring of 1986, when the Whale defeated Quebec for their first (and only) playoff series win, the team got a hero's parade downtown--even after losing the semi's to Montreal in 7 games :blink:

    Bettman whole tact is to get "geographic diversity", in an effort to appease the networks. Thing is, no one cares about hockey in too many of these markets. I thought the NHL needed to add cities like San Jose, Tampa, Dallas, Denver and Atlanta because of the size of the markets....but did they go too far in adding small market teams in places like Carolina, Phoenix, Columbus and Nashville? How about Miami or Anaheim? Could you think of 2 worse markets for hockey today than Anaheim and Miami, where english is a 2nd language?

    I knew the Whalers were toast in the spring of 1995. That year, Bettman worked like a bastard to send the New Jersey Devils to Nashville. He even had one of his former NBA buddies set to buy the team...Thing is, the Devils won it all, meaning Bettman HAD to back away from that plan---eventually he took the Whalers, Winnepeg and Quebec (hockey's never been the same) and moved them away.

    I think the Whalers saga is important to this strike/work stoppage. Why? I believe in the Whalers situation, Bettman showed he had zero cares for hockey's true fans. To him it was just business. Nothing more; nothing less....Hence this travesty continues!

    BTY, the 1980's were a "bizzaro" time in CT sports: The media fawned all over the Whalers (who at the time made more money than Montreal and was pumping out future NHL stars like crazy-Leetch, Roenick, ect..) and largely saw UConn sports as a joke...Wow, did that change...and hockey, your correct, took a huge step backwards.

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    Sorry to keep chipping in the Vancouver perspective, but here I go again.

    Now that baseball is over, the timing is right to get going on this.
    And seriously.

    Canadian fans and sports shows are somewhat "lost", now that the world series is over.
    Basketball is not huge here, so the opportunity for hockey is NOW!!!!!!

    I think most fans, at least here, would forgive and forget if they act fast and get playing.

    Doug S.

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    On the NHL | Esche slams NHL chief

    By Tim Panaccio, Inquirer Staff Writer

    On a day when the NHL player representatives and their alternates met in Toronto to discuss issues, Flyers representative Robert Esche called NHL commissioner Gary Bettman "a madman."


    Esche made his comments after the reps' meeting.
    "We're talking to a madman," Esche told Toronto television station Sportsnet. "A guy who has no rhyme or reason. Personally, I don't even think he is a fan of the game.
    "I think there are a lot of great owners out there, but there is a madman leading them down the wrong path. And unfortunately, we have no control over what is going on right now."

    Esche has it right -this guy came from basketball and business background. The owners put a person in charge that has no clue about hockey. At least my nephew's school Boston College hockey team is ranked number 1 in college polls right now.

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    Originally posted by faba@Nov 3 2004, 01:33 PM
    On the NHL | Esche slams NHL chief

    By Tim Panaccio, Inquirer Staff Writer

    On a day when the NHL player representatives and their alternates met in Toronto to discuss issues, Flyers representative Robert Esche called NHL commissioner Gary Bettman "a madman."


    Esche made his comments after the reps' meeting.
    "We're talking to a madman," Esche told Toronto television station Sportsnet. "A guy who has no rhyme or reason. Personally, I don't even think he is a fan of the game.
    "I think there are a lot of great owners out there, but there is a madman leading them down the wrong path. And unfortunately, we have no control over what is going on right now."

    Esche has it right -this guy came from basketball and business background. The owners put a person in charge that has no clue about hockey. At least my nephew's school Boston College hockey team is ranked number 1 in college polls right now.
    I'll agree with that one.

    Bettman is an absolute TOOL and I think he has NO interest for the game.

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