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    Not looking good for Kerry's camp....

    Being reported by Fox News:

    A US major is to brief reporters at the Pentagon saying that he was tasked with removing explosives from Al Qaqaa and he and his unit removed 200+ tons.



    now all we have to do is wait for Kerry to say the Military lied to the american public :blink:

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    doesn't matter. Kerry will still just say it's Bush's fault. If the Yankees win, it would have been Bush's fault. If aliens invaded, it would be Bush's fault. Pure nonsense.

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    i don't see how this story was important from the outset - will not affect voters either way - i said this before we knew it was false by the way - explosives are not sexy... if it was nerve gas or something then maybe... nukes would be headline news - this explosive thing barely registered on the election seismic meter

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    wasn't a big story??? didn't kerry make a big deal about bush and the military dropping the ball??

    and your looking for nukes?? this stuff can be used to detonate WMD's. look at the big picture.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by OneEyedWonder[/i]@Oct 29 2004, 11:14 AM
    [b] Not looking good for Kerry's camp....

    Being reported by Fox News:

    A US major is to brief reporters at the Pentagon saying that he was tasked with removing explosives from Al Qaqaa and he and his unit removed 200+ tons.



    now all we have to do is wait for Kerry to say the Military lied to the american public :blink: [/b][/quote]
    If this story is true the Kerry camp will be eating some major crow this weekend.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by chiefst2000+Oct 29 2004, 12:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (chiefst2000 @ Oct 29 2004, 12:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-OneEyedWonder[/i]@Oct 29 2004, 11:14 AM
    [b] Not looking good for Kerry&#39;s camp....

    Being reported by Fox News:

    A US major is to brief reporters at the Pentagon saying that he was tasked with removing explosives from Al Qaqaa and he and his unit removed 200+ tons.



    now all we have to do is wait for Kerry to say the Military lied to the american public :blink: [/b][/quote]
    If this story is true the Kerry camp will be eating some major crow this weekend. [/b][/quote]
    Amazing...they just had a major press conference about this at the Pentagon where a soldier who was at Al Qaqaa (he called is LSA Dogwood or something) explained in great detail what went on and how the munitions were secured...yet go to CNN/ABC/MSNBC/CBS news web sites and is anything being reported on this?

    As of 1 minute ago no...why does this not surprise me??

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY+Oct 29 2004, 12:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Come Back to NY @ Oct 29 2004, 12:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by chiefst2000@Oct 29 2004, 12:39 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-OneEyedWonder[/i]@Oct 29 2004, 11:14 AM
    [b] Not looking good for Kerry&#39;s camp....

    Being reported by Fox News:

    A US major is to brief reporters at the Pentagon saying that he was tasked with removing explosives from Al Qaqaa and he and his unit removed 200+ tons.



    now all we have to do is wait for Kerry to say the Military lied to the american public :blink: [/b][/quote]
    If this story is true the Kerry camp will be eating some major crow this weekend. [/b][/quote]
    Amazing...they just had a major press conference about this at the Pentagon where a soldier who was at Al Qaqaa (he called is LSA Dogwood or something) explained in great detail what went on and how the munitions were secured...yet go to CNN/ABC/MSNBC/CBS news web sites and is anything being reported on this?

    As of 1 minute ago no...why does this not surprise me?? [/b][/quote]
    They&#39;ll have to pick up this story on MSM it&#39;s just too big to ignore. It&#39;s been on the front page of the Slimes all week.

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    Perhaps this is the October surprise people were talking about. People thought Renquist&#39;s cancer revelation was the big surprise; this tops is off big time&#33;

    There are two days left...

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by OneEyedWonder[/i]@Oct 29 2004, 12:14 PM
    [b] Not looking good for Kerry&#39;s camp....

    Being reported by Fox News:

    A US major is to brief reporters at the Pentagon saying that he was tasked with removing explosives from Al Qaqaa and he and his unit removed 200+ tons.



    now all we have to do is wait for Kerry to say the Military lied to the american public :blink: [/b][/quote]
    No doubt Kerry will spin this into some sort of conspiracy about Bush "relocating" explosives from somewhere else and claiming these are the "long lost explosives." Just wait. The worst part about it is that a lot of Americans will blindly believe and follow Kerry.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Enrique Pallazzo+Oct 29 2004, 04:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Enrique Pallazzo @ Oct 29 2004, 04:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-OneEyedWonder[/i]@Oct 29 2004, 12:14 PM
    [b] Not looking good for Kerry&#39;s camp....

    Being reported by Fox News:

    A US major is to brief reporters at the Pentagon saying that he was tasked with removing explosives from Al Qaqaa and he and his unit removed 200+ tons.



    now all we have to do is wait for Kerry to say the Military lied to the american public :blink: [/b][/quote]
    No doubt Kerry will spin this into some sort of conspiracy about Bush "relocating" explosives from somewhere else and claiming these are the "long lost explosives." Just wait. The worst part about it is that a lot of Americans will blindly believe and follow Kerry. [/b][/quote]
    Isn&#39;t it kind of odd that it took so long for some facts to come out? I mean the President and Rumsfeld were clueless, and now conveniently they say they did take the weapons?

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    did you ever hear of national security and the fact the government doesn&#39;t and shouldn&#39;t disclose everything it knows??

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15+Oct 29 2004, 03:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Section109Row15 @ Oct 29 2004, 03:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by Enrique Pallazzo@Oct 29 2004, 04:02 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-OneEyedWonder[/i]@Oct 29 2004, 12:14 PM
    [b] Not looking good for Kerry&#39;s camp....

    Being reported by Fox News:

    A US major is to brief reporters at the Pentagon saying that he was tasked with removing explosives from Al Qaqaa and he and his unit removed 200+ tons.



    now all we have to do is wait for Kerry to say the Military lied to the american public :blink: [/b][/quote]
    No doubt Kerry will spin this into some sort of conspiracy about Bush "relocating" explosives from somewhere else and claiming these are the "long lost explosives." Just wait. The worst part about it is that a lot of Americans will blindly believe and follow Kerry. [/b][/quote]
    Isn&#39;t it kind of odd that it took so long for some facts to come out? I mean the President and Rumsfeld were clueless, and now conveniently they say they did take the weapons? [/b][/quote]
    I f they speak too quickly on something... they&#39;re criticized for over reacting.
    If they take too long to respond... they&#39;re criticized for denying it.
    Bush can&#39;t win with the left. It&#39;s just the way it is.

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    [quote][b]I f they speak too quickly on something... they&#39;re criticized for over reacting.
    If they take too long to respond... they&#39;re criticized for denying it.
    Bush can&#39;t win with the left. It&#39;s just the way it is. [/b][/quote]

    They did speak right away. They said they were confident that it was removed prior to the invasion.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Oct 29 2004, 03:02 PM
    [b] [quote][b]I f they speak too quickly on something... they&#39;re criticized for over reacting.
    If they take too long to respond... they&#39;re criticized for denying it.
    Bush can&#39;t win with the left. It&#39;s just the way it is. [/b][/quote]

    They did speak right away. They said they were confident that it was removed prior to the invasion. [/b][/quote]
    link to that quote please

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    [quote][b]link to that quote please [/b][/quote]

    Busy right now, but you seriously didn&#39;t hear them say that?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Oct 29 2004, 03:13 PM
    [b] [quote][b]link to that quote please [/b][/quote]

    Busy right now, but you seriously didn&#39;t hear them say that? [/b][/quote]
    No, they never said that. I know because I was surprised by how PC they were in their responses. The strongest language used was that we dont know if it was ever there. It could have been removed prior. They never said they were confident of anything in regards to the explosives.

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    from the associated press:

    Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and others have advanced the theory that the materials were removed before U.S. forces arrived, saying looting that much material would be impossible by small-scale thieves, and that a large-scale theft would have involved lots of trucks and would have been detected.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by 4th&Long[/i]@Oct 29 2004, 03:52 PM
    [b] from the associated press:

    Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and others have advanced the theory that the materials were removed before U.S. forces arrived, saying looting that much material would be impossible by small-scale thieves, and that a large-scale theft would have involved lots of trucks and would have been detected. [/b][/quote]
    That is 100% true. It would have taken as much as 50 trucks to move that stuff.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by chiefst2000+Oct 29 2004, 03:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (chiefst2000 @ Oct 29 2004, 03:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-4th&Long[/i]@Oct 29 2004, 03:52 PM
    [b] from the associated press:

    Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and others have advanced the theory that the materials were removed before U.S. forces arrived, saying looting that much material would be impossible by small-scale thieves, and that a large-scale theft would have involved lots of trucks and would have been detected. [/b][/quote]
    That is 100% true. It would have taken as much as 50 trucks to move that stuff. [/b][/quote]
    which makes the Slimes theory, that the stuff was taken by insurgents while America was in the country, utterly ridiculous&#33;

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    Here is the full story from AP...nice Sean Hannity style spin happening on this board. Pentagon seeking answers for missing munitions
    Friday, October 29, 2004 Posted: 2:54 PM EDT (1854 GMT)



    WASHINGTON (AP) -- An Army unit removed 250 tons of ammunition from the Al-Qaqaa weapons depot in April 2003 and later destroyed it, the company&#39;s former commander said Friday. A Pentagon spokesman said some was of the same type as the missing explosives that have become a major issue in the presidential campaign.

    [b]But those 250 tons were not located under the seal of the International Atomic Energy Agency -- as the missing high-grade explosives had been -- and Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita could not definitely say whether they were part of the missing 377 tons.[/b]

    Maj. Austin Pearson, speaking at a press conference at the Pentagon, said his team removed 250 tons of TNT, plastic explosives, detonation cords, and white phosphorous rounds on April 13, 2003 -- 10 days after U.S. forces first reached the Al-Qaqaa site.

    [b]"I did not see any IAEA seals at any of the locations we went into. I was not looking for that," Pearson said.[/b]

    Di Rita sought to point to Pearson&#39;s comments as evidence that some RDX, one of the high-energy explosives, might have been removed from the site. RDX is also known as plastic explosive.

    But Di Rita acknowledged: "I can&#39;t say RDX that was on the list of IAEA is what the major pulled out. ... We believe that some of the things they were pulling out of there were RDX."

    [b]Further study was needed, Di Rita said[/b].

    Whether Saddam Hussein&#39;s forces removed the explosives before U.S. forces arrived on April 3, 2003, or whether they fell into the hands of looters and insurgents afterward -- because the site was not guarded by U.S. troops -- has become a key issue in the campaign.

    Pearson&#39;s comments raise further questions about the chain of events surrounding these explosives, the disappearance of which has been repeatedly cited by Democrat John Kerry as evidence of the Bush administration&#39;s poor handling of the war in Iraq.

    Still, 377 tons of explosives amount to a tiny fraction of the weaponry in Iraq. U.S. forces have already destroyed, or have slated to destroyed, more than 400,000 tons of all manner of Iraqi weapons and ammunition. But at least another 250,000 tons from Saddam&#39;s regime remain unaccounted for.

    The window in which the explosives were most likely removed from Al-Qaqaa begins on March 15, 2003 -- five days before the war started -- and ends in late May, when a U.S. weapons inspection team declared the depot stripped and looted.

    Two weeks ago, Iraqi officials told the United Nations&#39; International Atomic Energy Agency that the explosives vanished as a result of "theft and looting ... due to lack of security."

    The explosives were known to be housed in storage bunkers at the sprawling Al-Qaqaa complex and nearby structures. U.N. nuclear inspectors placed fresh seals over the bunker doors in January 2003. The inspectors visited Al-Qaqaa for the last time that March 15 and reported that the seals were not broken; concluding the weapons were still inside at the time.

    A U.S. military reconnaissance image, taken of Al-Qaqaa on March 17, shows two vehicles, presumably Iraqi, outside a bunker at Al-Qaqaa. But Di Rita said that bunker was not known to contain any of the 377 tons, and that the image only shows that there was activity at the depot after U.N. inspectors left.

    Elements of the U.S. 3rd Infantry Division arrived in the area on April 3 en route to Baghdad. They fought a battle with Iraqi forces inside Al-Qaqaa and moved on, leaving a battalion behind to clear out enemy fighters in the area. Troops found other weapons, including artillery shells, on the base, he said. They didn&#39;t specifically search for the 377 tons of high explosives that are missing. On April 6, the battalion left for Baghdad.

    Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and others have advanced the theory that the materials were removed before U.S. forces arrived, saying looting that much material would be impossible by small-scale thieves, and that a large-scale theft would have involved lots of trucks and would have been detected.

    About four days later, another large unit, the 2nd Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division, moved into the area. That unit did not search Al-Qaqaa. A unit spokesman said there was heavy looting in the area at the time.

    On April 13, Pearson&#39;s ordnance-disposal team arrived and took the 250 tons out in a day. That materiel was later destroyed by U.S. forces. His comments may suggest that some of it was still there when U.S. forces arrived.

    [b]On April 18, a Minnesota television crew traveling with the 101st Airborne shot a videotape of troops as they first opened the bunkers at the Al-Qaqaa that shows what appeared to be high explosives still in barrels and bearing the markings of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

    U.S. weapons hunters did not give the area a thorough search until May, when they visited on three occasions, starting May 8. They searched every building on the compound over the course of those three visits, but did not find any material or explosives that had been marked by the IAEA[/b].

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