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    i'm just dying to know what that is, what do you all think? it might be a legit security thing, i guess, but wouldn't he disclose that? do you think we'll ever know?

    [quote][i]Originally posted by salon.com[/i]@ Oct 29, 2004
    [b][SIZE=3][b]NASA photo analyst: Bush wore a device during debate[/SIZE]
    Physicist says imaging techniques prove the president's bulge was not caused by wrinkled clothing.[/b]

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    [i] By Kevin Berger[/i]

    Oct. 29, 2004 George W. Bush tried to laugh off the bulge. "I don't know what that is," he said on "Good Morning America" on Wednesday, referring to the infamous protrusion beneath his jacket during the presidential debates. "I'm embarrassed to say it's a poorly tailored shirt."

    Dr. Robert M. Nelson, however, was not laughing. He knew the president was not telling the truth. And Nelson is neither conspiracy theorist nor midnight blogger. He's a senior research scientist for NASA and for Caltech's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and an international authority on image analysis. Currently he's engrossed in analyzing digital photos of Saturn's moon Titan, determining its shape, whether it contains craters or canyons.

    For the past week, while at home, using his own computers, and off the clock at Caltech and NASA, Nelson has been analyzing images of the president's back during the debates. A professional physicist and photo analyst for more than 30 years, he speaks earnestly and thoughtfully about his subject. "I am willing to stake my scientific reputation to the statement that Bush was wearing something under his jacket during the debate," he says. "This is not about a bad suit. And there's no way the bulge can be described as a wrinkled shirt."

    Nelson and a scientific colleague produced the photos from a videotape, recorded by the colleague, who has chosen to remain anonymous, of the first debate. The images provide the most vivid details yet of the bulge beneath the president's suit. Amateurs have certainly had their turn at examining the bulge, but no professional with a résumé as impressive as Nelson's has ventured into public with an informed opinion. In fact, no one to date has enhanced photos of Bush's jacket to this degree of precision, and revealed what appears to be some kind of mechanical device with a wire snaking up the president's shoulder toward his neck and down his back to his waist.

    Nelson stresses that he's not certain what lies beneath the president's jacket. He offers, though, "that it could be some type of electronic device -- it's consistent with the appearance of an electronic device worn in that manner." The image of lines coursing up and down the president's back, Nelson adds, is "consistent with a wire or a tube."

    Nelson used the computer software program Photoshop to enhance the texture in Bush's jacket. The process in no way alters the image but sharpens its edges and accents the creases and wrinkles. You've seen the process performed a hundred times on "CSI": pixelated images are magnified to reveal a clear definition of their shape.

    Bruce Hapke, professor emeritus of planetary science in the department of geology and planetary science at the University of Pittsburgh, reviewed the Bush images employed by Nelson, whom he calls "a very highly respected scientist in his field." Hapke says Nelson's process of analyzing the images are the "exact same methods we use to analyze images taken by spacecraft of planetary surfaces. It does not introduce any artifacts into the picture in any way."

    How can Nelson be certain there's some kind of mechanical device beneath Bush's jacket? It's all about light and shadows, he says. The angles at which the light in the studio hit Bush's jacket expose contours that fit no one's picture of human anatomy and wrinkled shirts. And Nelson compared the images to anatomy texts. He also experimented with wrinkling shirts in various configurations, wore them under his jacket under his bathroom light, and couldn't produce anything close to the Bush bulge.

    In the enhanced photo of the first debate, Nelson says, look at the horizontal white line in middle of the president's back. You'll see a shadow. "That's telling me there's definitely a bulge," he says. "In fact, it's how we measure the depths of the craters on the moon or on Mars. We look at the angle of the light and the length of shadow they leave. In this case, that's clearly a crater that's under the horizontal line -- it's clearly a rim of a bulge protruding upward, one due to forces pushing it up from beneath."

    Hapke, too, agrees that the bulge is neither anatomy nor a wrinkled shirt. "I would think it's very hard to avoid the conclusion that there's something underneath his jacket," he says. "It would certainly be consistent with some kind of radio receiver and a wire."

    Nelson admits that he's a Democrat and plans to vote for John Kerry. But he takes umbrage at being accused of partisanship. "Everyone wants to think my colleague and I are just a bunch of dope-crazed ravaged Democrats who are looking to insult the president at the last minute," he says. "And that's not what this is about. This is scientific analysis. If the bulge were on Bill Clinton's back and he was lying about it, I'd have to say the same thing."

    "Look, he says, "I'm putting myself at risk for exposing this. But this is too important. It's not about my reputation. If they force me into an early retirement, it'll be worth it if the public knows about this. It's outrageous statements that I read that the president is wearing nothing under there. There's clearly something there."[/b][/quote]

    [url=http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/29/bulge/]Link Here[/url]

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    [img]http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/29/bulge/story.jpg[/img]


    Wow. :o

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    I got this from the New York Times:

    [url=http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/politics/61660]http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/politics/61660[/url]

    :lol:

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    great post - we all knew bush was a meat puppet but now there's actual proof.

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    Yeah, he needed to be coached to say "It's hard work" ten times in a row. OK. Hey, here's an idea-

    Why don't you 3 wisemen throw a hubcab up in the sky and take pictures? You can tell everybody you saw a flying saucer.

    [img]http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/parodies/no_effin_way.jpg[/img]

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Tom The Nader Fan™[/i]@Oct 30 2004, 07:39 PM
    [b] Yeah, he needed to be coached to say "It's hard work" ten times in a row. OK. Hey, here's an idea-

    Why don't you 3 wisemen throw a hubcab up in the sky and take pictures? You can tell everybody you saw a flying saucer.

    [img]http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/parodies/no_effin_way.jpg[/img] [/b][/quote]
    :huh:


    It isn't a ''liberal plot'' dude, there was a freaking radio in Bush's ear during a presidential debate. Don't you find SOMETHING wrong with that? Sheesh!

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    First off, if he had a radio in his [u][b]ear[/b][/u], don't you think someone would have caught that a) prior to going on stage B) on stage by the mod or Kerry c) in a photo.

    If they went out of their way to use such a sophisticated device that it could not be seen in his friggin' ear, do you think they would have been so stupid to use such a bulky receiver in such a poorly hidden spot in a position where cameras could catch it?

    C'mon you retards will buy into any little conspiracy you can find. It's getting really old with the childish, outrageous little theories your tiny little minds find amusing.

    Grow up already. This isn't kidergarten around here.

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    so what do you think it was? any ideas? do you think it really was bad tailoring?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by isired[/i]@Oct 30 2004, 10:02 PM
    [b] so what do you think it was? any ideas? do you think it really was bad tailoring? [/b][/quote]
    Its a friggin wrinkle. Nothing more.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Jetsfan80[/i]@Oct 30 2004, 04:05 PM
    [b] [img]http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/29/bulge/story.jpg[/img]


    Wow. :o [/b][/quote]
    That is NOT a ''friggin wrinkle''.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Jetsfan80+Oct 30 2004, 10:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Jetsfan80 @ Oct 30 2004, 10:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Jetsfan80[/i]@Oct 30 2004, 04:05 PM
    [b] [img]http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/29/bulge/story.jpg[/img]


    Wow. :o [/b][/quote]
    That is NOT a &#39;&#39;friggin wrinkle&#39;&#39;. [/b][/quote]
    Sure, OK... be sure to put your tin foil hat on before you go to bed.

    Oh yes it&#39;s a friggin&#39; wrinkle. It&#39;s quite obvious you never wore a suit.

    It&#39;s common practice to those of us that make presentations to have shirts under the jacket "fitted" or pulled back and pinned to keep a crisp flat front.

    This explanation is 1000x more likely than your "he was wired" dream.


    Besides, if he was wired, do you really think he would have performed as poorly as he did?

    Dream on.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by JetFanTransplant[/i]@Oct 30 2004, 11:15 PM
    [b]Sure, OK... be sure to put your tin foil hat on before you go to bed.

    Oh yes it&#39;s a friggin&#39; wrinkle. It&#39;s quite obvious you never wore a suit.

    It&#39;s common practice to those of us that make presentations to have shirts under the jacket "fitted" or pulled back and pinned to keep a crisp flat front.

    This explanation is 1000x more likely than your "he was wired" dream.


    Besides, if he was wired, do you really think he would have performed as poorly as he did?

    Dream on. [/b][/quote]
    dude, i&#39;m in advertising, i&#39;ve seen models pinned, clamped, stitched, you name it. if you saw the back of 9 out of 10 fashion shots, you&#39;d be amazed. you&#39;re kidding yourself if you think that&#39;s a straight-shirt pinning. something that simple, when done professionally, is invisible from all angles. they use endless pins and tape them flat. if there was that much fabric, they&#39;d tailor it on his way to the podium, and it certainly wouldn&#39;t happen again. and again.

    if it was, wouldn&#39;t he say it? bad tailoring is not shirt-pinninng, is it?

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    Ok guy, you go on with your bad self. You keep up your childish conspiracy theories.

    Whatever caused the friggin&#39; wrinkle is irrelavent. It is not a "wire" not a receiver, not an ear piece, nothing of the sort that would have been used to "feed" debate relavant information.

    You can&#39;t tell me that of the hundreds of people in the audience, the gobs of security personnel, the lawyers in attendence to make sure the debates were fair, the moderator and Kerry himself would not have been able to figure out there was a feed coming to this guy? Give me a break.

    You need to find yourself another place to try and garner a vote for your guy. How about enlightening us about one of his miraculous plans for America?

    How about coming up with something POSITIVE that your guy has done in the last 20 years in congress?

    How about telling us why YOUR guy SHOULD get elected.

    If you are in advertising, you have to be old enough to realize just how immature and childish your tired little theory is. UGH... If I wasn&#39;t bored out of my skull tonight, I wouldn&#39;t even be wasting my time&#33;

    I guess you won&#39;t believe anything I type anyway... I am sure snopes.com will debunk it in a couple of weeks anyway. :rolleyes:

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by JetFanTransplant[/i]@Oct 30 2004, 11:37 PM
    [b] Ok guy, you go on with your bad self. You keep up your childish conspiracy theories.

    Whatever caused the friggin&#39; wrinkle is irrelavent. It is not a "wire" not a receiver, not an ear piece, nothing of the sort that would have been used to "feed" debate relavant information.

    You can&#39;t tell me that of the hundreds of people in the audience, the gobs of security personnel, the lawyers in attendence to make sure the debates were fair, the moderator and Kerry himself would not have been able to figure out there was a feed coming to this guy? Give me a break.

    You need to find yourself another place to try and garner a vote for your guy. How about enlightening us about one of his miraculous plans for America?

    How about coming up with something POSITIVE that your guy has done in the last 20 years in congress?

    How about telling us why YOUR guy SHOULD get elected.

    If you are in advertising, you have to be old enough to realize just how immature and childish your tired little theory is. UGH... If I wasn&#39;t bored out of my skull tonight, I wouldn&#39;t even be wasting my time&#33;

    I guess you won&#39;t believe anything I type anyway... I am sure snopes.com will debunk it in a couple of weeks anyway. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
    who&#39;s my guy? i&#39;m just curious about that wrinkle. as a bit of a techie, i kind of want it to be something cool and devious. you must be bored and tired, i didn&#39;t really put up a theory, and i&#39;m not even politicizing the &#39;wrinkle&#39; - as you said, bush did poorly in the debates, what would it matter if he was being fed lines? it probably would on;ly have confused him. i actually don&#39;t believe they would ever take that risk, it would just be TOO arrogant.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by JetFanTransplant[/i]@Oct 30 2004, 10:37 PM
    [b] Ok guy, you go on with your bad self. You keep up your childish conspiracy theories.

    Whatever caused the friggin&#39; wrinkle is irrelavent. It is not a "wire" not a receiver, not an ear piece, nothing of the sort that would have been used to "feed" debate relavant information.

    You can&#39;t tell me that of the hundreds of people in the audience, the gobs of security personnel, the lawyers in attendence to make sure the debates were fair, the moderator and Kerry himself would not have been able to figure out there was a feed coming to this guy? Give me a break.

    You need to find yourself another place to try and garner a vote for your guy. How about enlightening us about one of his miraculous plans for America?

    How about coming up with something POSITIVE that your guy has done in the last 20 years in congress?

    How about telling us why YOUR guy SHOULD get elected.

    If you are in advertising, you have to be old enough to realize just how immature and childish your tired little theory is. UGH... If I wasn&#39;t bored out of my skull tonight, I wouldn&#39;t even be wasting my time&#33;

    I guess you won&#39;t believe anything I type anyway... I am sure snopes.com will debunk it in a couple of weeks anyway. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
    Molodramatic Over-reaction, thy name is JetsFanTransplant, LOL&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol:

    Give it rest man. :rolleyes: The idea that a Politican would use technology to help him in a debate (and get away with it) is not so drasticly impossible so as to warrant the hilarious over-reation of this post.

    While I agree that it very likely was nothing, the implication that it could be something isn&#39;t the horrible violation you are trying to make it out to be.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Warfish+Oct 31 2004, 12:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Warfish @ Oct 31 2004, 12:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JetFanTransplant[/i]@Oct 30 2004, 10:37 PM
    [b] Ok guy, you go on with your bad self. You keep up your childish conspiracy theories.

    Whatever caused the friggin&#39; wrinkle is irrelavent. It is not a "wire" not a receiver, not an ear piece, nothing of the sort that would have been used to "feed" debate relavant information.

    You can&#39;t tell me that of the hundreds of people in the audience, the gobs of security personnel, the lawyers in attendence to make sure the debates were fair, the moderator and Kerry himself would not have been able to figure out there was a feed coming to this guy? Give me a break.

    You need to find yourself another place to try and garner a vote for your guy. How about enlightening us about one of his miraculous plans for America?

    How about coming up with something POSITIVE that your guy has done in the last 20 years in congress?

    How about telling us why YOUR guy SHOULD get elected.

    If you are in advertising, you have to be old enough to realize just how immature and childish your tired little theory is. UGH... If I wasn&#39;t bored out of my skull tonight, I wouldn&#39;t even be wasting my time&#33;

    I guess you won&#39;t believe anything I type anyway... I am sure snopes.com will debunk it in a couple of weeks anyway. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
    Molodramatic Over-reaction, thy name is JetsFanTransplant, LOL&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol:

    Give it rest man. :rolleyes: The idea that a Politican would use technology to help him in a debate (and get away with it) is not so drasticly impossible so as to warrant the hilarious over-reation of this post.

    While I agree that it very likely was nothing, the implication that it could be something isn&#39;t the horrible violation you are trying to make it out to be. [/b][/quote]
    To Quote Regan, "Well, there he goes again."


    What I posted was spot-on and irrefutable. :)

    Yeah, it was one of those nights. Bored outta my skull, preggo wife being hormonal and Mich Lite running out...

    Apologies if I got mouthy... just tired of the BS conspiracy theories. I mean c&#39;mon... as Freud would say, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... well sometimes a wrinkle is just a wrinkle.

    Until you show me an undoctored photo with a bud in his ear, you&#39;ve got make believe that Mr. Rogers wouldn&#39;t even play.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by JetFanTransplant+Oct 31 2004, 07:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (JetFanTransplant @ Oct 31 2004, 07:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Warfish[/i]@Oct 31 2004, 12:02 AM
    [b]
    Molodramatic Over-reaction, thy name is JetsFanTransplant, LOL&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
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    He didn&#39;t overreact a wink, and given this silly topic and fruity language it evoked from you, he&#39;s quite the gentleman to offer an apology of sorts.

    More importantly, he notes the absurd lengths people will go to attack Bush while ignoring Kerry&#39;s lack of distinction - anywhere.

    I don&#39;t think he&#39;s a war hero. That&#39;s my opinion, bolstered by his miraculous medal accumulation rate, his quick out to parlay his military "career" into a platform that demoralized his comrades left behind in Vietnam. Would a guy like Kerry game the system? Examine his two selections in wives and tell me if you see a pattern.

    The above is opinion, but the Senate? He hasn&#39;t done jack s**t. That&#39;s fact.

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    If Bush was wired, it was a secret service wire. Standard operating procedure. So I guess some secret service lug who&#39;s previous employment was standing at parade rest in front of the american embassy in spain was coaching Bush on what to say. "Duh, yeah boss, now say &#39;it&#39;s hard work&#39; ten times in a row".

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    that&#39;s what i figured, too, only i think bush or someone in his camp would have floated that possibility if it was true. actually, i think it would have made a better explanation than &#39;a wrinkle&#39;, even if it wasn&#39;t true.

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