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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY+Nov 3 2004, 09:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Come Back to NY &#064; Nov 3 2004, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ScottishJet[/i]@Nov 3 2004, 09:17 PM
    [b] Ignore world opinion of the United States at your peril.*



    * see reasons behind September 11th 2001 attacks. [/b][/quote]
    let me guess..you&#39;re another scum your-a-peon who believes America got what it had coming to it on 9-11?

    Ef-off skirt boy&#33; [/b][/quote]
    Wrong. Very wrong. I lost 2 close friends in the attacks.

    EDIT: Brian Sweeney was on Flight 175. His brother, John, worked in the UMass Geoscience dept. I was closer to John and although he is still alive he simply has not been the same since the loss of his brother and that is why I say I lost 2 friends. I honestly don&#39;t care if you regard me as &#39;scum&#39; as your vile and putrid posts paint you in a more evil light. Away and lie in yer own pish.

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    CBTNY is such a little punk, when is next little protest so I can take your gay ass sign and make you cry?

    Get over yourself you loser.

    Your the Raider fans of politics....

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by ShadeTree#55[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 09:20 AM
    [b] CBTNY is such a little punk, when is next little protest so I can take your gay ass sign and make you cry?

    Get over yourself you loser.

    Your the Raider fans of politics.... [/b][/quote]
    The next time I am at a protest I will give you notice well in advance...bet on it internet tough guy&#33;

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    Don&#39;t worry I am no scared college professer, you phone call tough guy.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by ScottishJet[/i]@Nov 3 2004, 09:17 PM
    [b] Ignore world opinion of the United States at your peril.*



    * see reasons behind September 11th 2001 attacks. [/b][/quote]
    As a Scott you should know better then to preach appeasement. You are a Nevill Chamberlain. Try to be a bit more Churchill next time.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by chiefst2000+Nov 4 2004, 10:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (chiefst2000 @ Nov 4 2004, 10:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ScottishJet[/i]@Nov 3 2004, 09:17 PM
    [b] Ignore world opinion of the United States at your peril.*



    * see reasons behind September 11th 2001 attacks. [/b][/quote]
    As a Scott you should know better then to preach appeasement. You are a Nevill Chamberlain. Try to be a bit more Churchill next time. [/b][/quote]
    It&#39;s Scot, not Scott. Try to be a bit more educated next time.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by ScottishJet+Nov 4 2004, 11:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (ScottishJet @ Nov 4 2004, 11:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by chiefst2000@Nov 4 2004, 10:49 AM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-ScottishJet[/i]@Nov 3 2004, 09:17 PM
    [b] Ignore world opinion of the United States at your peril.*



    * see reasons behind September 11th 2001 attacks. [/b][/quote]
    As a Scott you should know better then to preach appeasement. You are a Nevill Chamberlain. Try to be a bit more Churchill next time. [/b][/quote]
    It&#39;s Scot, not Scott. Try to be a bit more educated next time. [/b][/quote]
    Just writing it like its written in your Tag

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by ScottishJet[/i]@Nov 3 2004, 10:17 PM
    [b] Ignore world opinion of the United States at your peril.*



    * see reasons behind September 11th 2001 attacks. [/b][/quote]
    One has nothing to do with the other. September 11th happened because we&#39;re not Muslim... there was no other reason.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Enrique Pallazzo+Nov 4 2004, 11:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Enrique Pallazzo @ Nov 4 2004, 11:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ScottishJet[/i]@Nov 3 2004, 10:17 PM
    [b] Ignore world opinion of the United States at your peril.*



    * see reasons behind September 11th 2001 attacks. [/b][/quote]
    One has nothing to do with the other. September 11th happened because we&#39;re not Muslim... there was no other reason. [/b][/quote]
    the fact that we exploit the people of the middle east for their oil has nothing to do with it? the creation of Israel?

    oh yeah it&#39;s because people are crazy... yeah right.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by ScottishJet[/i]@Nov 3 2004, 09:17 PM
    [b] Ignore world opinion of the United States at your peril.*



    * see reasons behind September 11th 2001 attacks. [/b][/quote]
    Is this a personal threat, or are you Osama&#39;s *****?

    As a &#39;Scot&#39;, you got some set of stones coming onto a NY based website with that s**t. And losing a friend doesn&#39;t qualify you jack s**t around here, &#39;cause some of us lost more than a passing acquaintance or two. It will be a cold day in hell when I troll around sites in other countries forecasting terror in their lands, that&#39;s one thing I know.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by chiefst2000+Nov 4 2004, 11:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (chiefst2000 @ Nov 4 2004, 11:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by ScottishJet@Nov 4 2004, 11:10 AM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by chiefst2000@Nov 4 2004, 10:49 AM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-ScottishJet[/i]@Nov 3 2004, 09:17 PM
    [b] Ignore world opinion of the United States at your peril.*



    * see reasons behind September 11th 2001 attacks. [/b][/quote]
    As a Scott you should know better then to preach appeasement. You are a Nevill Chamberlain. Try to be a bit more Churchill next time. [/b][/quote]
    It&#39;s Scot, not Scott. Try to be a bit more educated next time. [/b][/quote]
    Just writing it like its written in your Tag [/b][/quote]
    Yeah it&#39;s funny that the English language works that way. But as you are American I can understand your mistake.

    ;)

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    You just don&#39;t get it, it is not a threat, it is a fact according to the 9/11 commission. We need to have a better pulse on the world to better protect ourselves.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by ShadeTree#55[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 10:00 AM
    [b] Don&#39;t worry I am no scared college professer, you phone call tough guy. [/b][/quote]
    And as with him, I will give you the opportunity to follow up in person...and I&#39;m sure you&#39;ll be a no-show as he was.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by sackdance+Nov 4 2004, 11:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (sackdance @ Nov 4 2004, 11:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ScottishJet[/i]@Nov 3 2004, 09:17 PM
    [b] Ignore world opinion of the United States at your peril.*



    * see reasons behind September 11th 2001 attacks. [/b][/quote]
    Is this a personal threat, or are you Osama&#39;s *****?

    As a &#39;Scot&#39;, you got some set of stones coming onto a NY based website with that s**t. And losing a friend doesn&#39;t qualify you jack s**t around here, &#39;cause some of us lost more than a passing acquaintance or two. It will be a cold day in hell when I troll around sites in other countries forecasting terror in their lands, that&#39;s one thing I know. [/b][/quote]
    Hey tough guy, simmer down. I merely asked this question as a lot of people were saying &#39;why us" after that horrible day. A lot of it had to do with the way America, and Americans, were perceived by certain people around the world. Now after an election were the same guy who invaded Iraq has been re-elected, i thought it very valid to ask a question what would the people around the world think about this. My question had no malice to it. There are too many people who see hate and negatives in anything. It&#39;s very obvious that you cannot discuss anything in the forum without it being taken as an &#39;attack&#39; to America.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by ScottishJet+Nov 4 2004, 11:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (ScottishJet @ Nov 4 2004, 11:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by sackdance@Nov 4 2004, 11:45 AM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-ScottishJet[/i]@Nov 3 2004, 09:17 PM
    [b] Ignore world opinion of the United States at your peril.*



    * see reasons behind September 11th 2001 attacks. [/b][/quote]
    Is this a personal threat, or are you Osama&#39;s *****?

    As a &#39;Scot&#39;, you got some set of stones coming onto a NY based website with that s**t. And losing a friend doesn&#39;t qualify you jack s**t around here, &#39;cause some of us lost more than a passing acquaintance or two. It will be a cold day in hell when I troll around sites in other countries forecasting terror in their lands, that&#39;s one thing I know. [/b][/quote]
    Hey tough guy, simmer down. I merely asked this question as a lot of people were saying &#39;why us" after that horrible day. A lot of it had to do with the way America, and Americans, were perceived by certain people around the world. Now after an election were the same guy who invaded Iraq has been re-elected, i thought it very valid to ask a question what would the people around the world think about this. My question had no malice to it. There are too many people who see hate and negatives in anything. It&#39;s very obvious that you cannot discuss anything in the forum without it being taken as an &#39;attack&#39; to America. [/b][/quote]
    It is an affront to blame Americans for 9/11. Connect the dots for a change and try to blame all those who did it and their benefactors, for a change

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by flushingjet+Nov 4 2004, 11:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (flushingjet @ Nov 4 2004, 11:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by ScottishJet@Nov 4 2004, 11:53 AM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by sackdance@Nov 4 2004, 11:45 AM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-ScottishJet[/i]@Nov 3 2004, 09:17 PM
    [b] Ignore world opinion of the United States at your peril.*



    * see reasons behind September 11th 2001 attacks. [/b][/quote]
    Is this a personal threat, or are you Osama&#39;s *****?

    As a &#39;Scot&#39;, you got some set of stones coming onto a NY based website with that s**t. And losing a friend doesn&#39;t qualify you jack s**t around here, &#39;cause some of us lost more than a passing acquaintance or two. It will be a cold day in hell when I troll around sites in other countries forecasting terror in their lands, that&#39;s one thing I know. [/b][/quote]
    Hey tough guy, simmer down. I merely asked this question as a lot of people were saying &#39;why us" after that horrible day. A lot of it had to do with the way America, and Americans, were perceived by certain people around the world. Now after an election were the same guy who invaded Iraq has been re-elected, i thought it very valid to ask a question what would the people around the world think about this. My question had no malice to it. There are too many people who see hate and negatives in anything. It&#39;s very obvious that you cannot discuss anything in the forum without it being taken as an &#39;attack&#39; to America. [/b][/quote]
    It is an affront to blame Americans for 9/11. Connect the dots for a change and try to blame all those who did it and their benefactors, for a change [/b][/quote]
    I didn&#39;t blame America. I merely pointed out that a lot of people are surprised as to how their country is perceived across the globe. It is critical to know how you are seen in others eyes, particularly if you are an American travelling abroad. Now the Scots love Americans, they truly do. I used to live about 30 miles from a US Naval base and they were always warmly received. However, there are many cultures and races out there that have differing opinions. As it turned out, the way America was seen in the eyes by some led them to plan an evil attack on this country. This in turn caused many to ask, "why&#33;?". I&#39;m now merely saying that i think it would be interesting to gauge world opinion on a street level to see how US sentiment is around the world. Just because I&#39;m from Europe doesn&#39;t make me anti-American, and I&#39;m insulted to be blasted so quickly in this forum as all i have ever posted was to generate discussion, not a volley of insults.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by ScottishJet+Nov 4 2004, 12:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (ScottishJet @ Nov 4 2004, 12:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by flushingjet@Nov 4 2004, 11:58 AM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by ScottishJet@Nov 4 2004, 11:53 AM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by sackdance@Nov 4 2004, 11:45 AM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-ScottishJet[/i]@Nov 3 2004, 09:17 PM
    [b] Ignore world opinion of the United States at your peril.*



    * see reasons behind September 11th 2001 attacks. [/b][/quote]
    Is this a personal threat, or are you Osama&#39;s *****?

    As a &#39;Scot&#39;, you got some set of stones coming onto a NY based website with that s**t. And losing a friend doesn&#39;t qualify you jack s**t around here, &#39;cause some of us lost more than a passing acquaintance or two. It will be a cold day in hell when I troll around sites in other countries forecasting terror in their lands, that&#39;s one thing I know. [/b][/quote]
    Hey tough guy, simmer down. I merely asked this question as a lot of people were saying &#39;why us" after that horrible day. A lot of it had to do with the way America, and Americans, were perceived by certain people around the world. Now after an election were the same guy who invaded Iraq has been re-elected, i thought it very valid to ask a question what would the people around the world think about this. My question had no malice to it. There are too many people who see hate and negatives in anything. It&#39;s very obvious that you cannot discuss anything in the forum without it being taken as an &#39;attack&#39; to America. [/b][/quote]
    It is an affront to blame Americans for 9/11. Connect the dots for a change and try to blame all those who did it and their benefactors, for a change [/b][/quote]
    I didn&#39;t blame America. I merely pointed out that a lot of people are surprised as to how their country is perceived across the globe. It is critical to know how you are seen in others eyes, particularly if you are an American travelling abroad. Now the Scots love Americans, they truly do. I used to live about 30 miles from a US Naval base and they were always warmly received. However, there are many cultures and races out there that have differing opinions. As it turned out, the way America was seen in the eyes by some led them to plan an evil attack on this country. This in turn caused many to ask, "why&#33;?". I&#39;m now merely saying that i think it would be interesting to gauge world opinion on a street level to see how US sentiment is around the world. Just because I&#39;m from Europe doesn&#39;t make me anti-American, and I&#39;m insulted to be blasted so quickly in this forum as all i have ever posted was to generate discussion, not a volley of insults. [/b][/quote]
    Your points are fruitless and baseless...


    I guess we can say the Spainards ignored world opinon as well right?

    Ditto for the residents of Bali??

    Same thing for Beslan??

    The lessons of 9-11 is simple; stamp out the fire before it errupts into a volcano...had our one time feeble leader jimmy carter had the male genitals to go in an level Tehran in 1980 it would&#39;ve sent the right message....the lessons of 9-11 can be sought out from what carter didn&#39;t do, and more importantly what europe continues to do.....appease terror and you will ultimately be its&#39; victim&#33;

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by ScottishJet+Nov 4 2004, 12:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (ScottishJet @ Nov 4 2004, 12:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by flushingjet@Nov 4 2004, 11:58 AM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by ScottishJet@Nov 4 2004, 11:53 AM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by sackdance@Nov 4 2004, 11:45 AM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-ScottishJet[/i]@Nov 3 2004, 09:17 PM
    [b] Ignore world opinion of the United States at your peril.*



    * see reasons behind September 11th 2001 attacks. [/b][/quote]
    Is this a personal threat, or are you Osama&#39;s *****?

    As a &#39;Scot&#39;, you got some set of stones coming onto a NY based website with that s**t. And losing a friend doesn&#39;t qualify you jack s**t around here, &#39;cause some of us lost more than a passing acquaintance or two. It will be a cold day in hell when I troll around sites in other countries forecasting terror in their lands, that&#39;s one thing I know. [/b][/quote]
    Hey tough guy, simmer down. I merely asked this question as a lot of people were saying &#39;why us" after that horrible day. A lot of it had to do with the way America, and Americans, were perceived by certain people around the world. Now after an election were the same guy who invaded Iraq has been re-elected, i thought it very valid to ask a question what would the people around the world think about this. My question had no malice to it. There are too many people who see hate and negatives in anything. It&#39;s very obvious that you cannot discuss anything in the forum without it being taken as an &#39;attack&#39; to America. [/b][/quote]
    It is an affront to blame Americans for 9/11. Connect the dots for a change and try to blame all those who did it and their benefactors, for a change [/b][/quote]
    I didn&#39;t blame America. I merely pointed out that a lot of people are surprised as to how their country is perceived across the globe. It is critical to know how you are seen in others eyes, particularly if you are an American travelling abroad. Now the Scots love Americans, they truly do. I used to live about 30 miles from a US Naval base and they were always warmly received. However, there are many cultures and races out there that have differing opinions. As it turned out, the way America was seen in the eyes by some led them to plan an evil attack on this country. This in turn caused many to ask, "why&#33;?". I&#39;m now merely saying that i think it would be interesting to gauge world opinion on a street level to see how US sentiment is around the world. Just because I&#39;m from Europe doesn&#39;t make me anti-American, and I&#39;m insulted to be blasted so quickly in this forum as all i have ever posted was to generate discussion, not a volley of insults. [/b][/quote]
    Its all good scottsman. People around here get sensitive around these subjects. The difference between Americans and Spainiards (europeans) for example is that when we are attacked we unite against that enemy. When Spain (europeans) were attacked they immediately appeased the enemy. Neville Chamberlain had the opportunity to confront Hitler before his power had fully grown. Instead he chose to appease. We all know how that worked out. Thats why I always find it disturbing when I see that Brits (or Scots) preach apeasment. Tony Blair gets it.

    Didn&#39;t you learn the lessons of WW2? When we Americans see how Europe has become a continent of weak apeasment liberals we find it disturbing. We wonder why you never seem to learn the lessons of history. Maybe, Scott, you could provide us with some insight in this matter.

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    Here is more world perspective:

    [url=http://www.theage.com.au/news/Opinion/Watch-for-the-return-of-US-diplomacy/2004/11/03/1099362220960.html]Watch for the return of US diplomacy[/url]

    [quote][b][b]Get set for some subtle but far-reaching changes to the way the White House deals with the world, writes Gregory Hywood.[/b]

    Diplomacy was not a word often heard in the White House over the past four years. But it is about to make a comeback.

    If George Bush gets a second term, he will maintain the hallmarks of his first - a single focus on terrorism and the hard decisions taken to back this up. He could claim vindication of his commitment to decisive unilateralism.

    But given the potential of a quagmire in Iraq, there would be subtle changes in approach that could have far-reaching consequences for America&#39;s handling of international relations.

    The US has to succeed in Iraq and the Middle East - it is the battleground on which America has to fight terrorism. But Bush has found success on Arab soil impossible to achieve on such a narrow base of international support.

    The next Administration will reflect that reality and in stage two of the war on terror is likely to set about broadening its alliance structures.

    Under the intense pressure of the September 11 attacks, America became more absolutist in outlook, led by a President of that instinct. It was the correct call at the time, maintaining the nation&#39;s focus and morale. But it has left the US more isolated and defensive than it need be, and with a reputation for arrogance.

    America is at war internally over emblematic social issues: abortion, stem cell research, gay marriage. The economy is a mixed bag. US manufacturing continues to slide. The stockmarket is lagging. Rising oil prices are causing alarm.

    But in a broader sense, America has been bitterly divided over what it stands for, how it should pursue its role as superpower. Should it stand alone or put some trust in others and share the load?

    This was the defining message of the two candidates. Bush said: "Trust me. You know what I stand for." Kerry said: "I will work with others." Americans opted - in the popular vote at least - for the more decisive approach.

    But the Bush stance is more rhetorical than real. Having seen American casualties soar in Iraq and its troops make little headway, the White House knows it has to forge broader support behind its anti-terrorist strategy.

    The history books of the future will write of the last century and an indeterminate period beyond as the time of the American Empire. It is not an empire in a traditional sense of invading, inhabiting and materially exploiting. Instead, as a dominant power, America chose to secure its interests by imposing, aggressively sometimes, but most times benignly, its democratic values. The strategy is straightforward: define the nature of a society and you can be certain that your interests will usually coincide. It has been a remarkably successful approach - Japan, Germany, the Soviet Union were reshaped as the result of US reaction to their aggression. And for all nations, American democracy remains the benchmark.

    The unique nature of American hegemony has been its willingness to build a framework of alliances despite its recognised ability to act unilaterally.

    Its failures usually come when it does not build broad enough legitimacy for extremely complex undertakings.

    Vietnam is the primary example of the dangers in acting virtually alone. Iraq remains another.

    It is not that the decision to invade was wrong. It was justified by Saddam Hussein rejecting 16 UN resolutions relating to weapons inspections. The notion that a long-term peace solution in the Middle East was impossible with Saddam at the helm in Iraq was also well based. And while pre-emption may appear radical, within the niceties of the UN, it remains a reasonable course of action for any nation under attack.

    But the Bush Administration needed luck and perfect management to pull off its unilateral Iraqi strategy. It had neither. Its base of international support has been too narrow to withstand its inability to sustain control of Iraq. And without such control its broader Middle East strategy was a non-starter.

    That is why over the next four years the emerging feature of a returned Bush Administration would be greater focus on international engagement. The Economist magazine this week pertinently outlined two challenges - apart from combating terrorism - for the next US Administration: applying some discipline to economic management and building bridges within the country over divisive issues of social policy.

    These are all global issues. Even the social issues qualify, because American trends inevitably permeate through all societies, including this one. The rise of abortion as an issue in Australia can be directly related to its ever-present centrality among American conservatives. But it is difficult to see social cohesion improve in the US while the Republican social policy agenda is shaped by its fundamentalist Christian wing.

    The economic challenge is straightforward: wind back the &#036;US500 billion annual budget deficit before it wreaks havoc. The US economy makes up 25 per cent of the global economy, and severe fiscal imbalance in America has international consequences.

    Any reputation the Republicans had for fiscal rectitude has evaporated; they have not merely cut taxes in response to the 2001 recession but spent big. Without serious pruning or a major upturn in growth, there remains a serious prospect of higher interest rates, fading growth and loss of investor confidence.

    A new Bush Administration would do well to go beyond its ideological instincts on this issue as well.

    Gregory Hywood is a former editor-in-chief of The Age.[/b][/quote]

    I don&#39;t think a lot of you understand how American Policy & Culture affects the rest of the World.

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