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    My friend sent me this email from a website. I dont know which one. Obviously, it is a liberal one. Sheds some light on the mindset that elected the Yale cowboy.



    "I work at a domestic violence shelter in a rural conservative district in Mich. that is has had its economy gutted by NAFTA and where Christianity dominates the culture.
    Yesterday while reflecting about 4 more years of Bush I was talking with a woman staying in the shelter. I will give her a fake name, lets call her Laura B. Laura is 28, pregnant, (never considered an abortion). She finished highschool and did a year of college before dropping out to have a couple of kids with her military husband. Living in Virginia on base with her autocratic mate (he doesn't allow the boys 3 and 4 to say "yeap" they have to answer "yes sir") drove her crazy and she was hospitalized for suicidal thoughts. Military dude divorced her and has custody.

    She came home to Mom in Mich and ended up at our shelter to try and sort out her life. (Mom has no money either and her own problems.) We, like all secular agencies, have seen a steady erosion of funds.

    Laura B. has found a job working in the kitchen at a local faith based Christian College. She makes $6/hour. She drives a dying Ford Escort wagon pays $2.15/gallon for gas. Her latest crisis is her insurance expired on Oct. 9 (her ex-partner cancelled policy). She needs to come up with $211 to get insurance for one month or face a $1,000 fine if she gets caught driving with no insurance. We have some public transportation, Dial-a Ride, minibus runs between 7 am and 6 p.m., M-F $1.50 one-way. She has to be at work at 6am.

    She has been walking to work lately but it is about 2 miles she is 5 months pregnant, it is dark at 5 am, and winter is coming. Solution? Go begging at the churches who seem to have money for these things. They will give her the money if she attends bible school. So last night she was at bible school until 9 p.m.

    She has never attended our domestic violence support groups as she is too tired at night and goes to bed early but the bible study was not optional.

    She was excited about "God's message" when she came back.

    This week she moves into low income subsidized housing. Her newest crisis is she has found out when the college is closed for the Christmas holiday (one month) she has no employment. She is hoping to find temporary employment as a seasonal retail worker if the Christmas sales are brisk to tide her over. She doesn't know what she will do when the baby is born, hopes she can work up till the last week (she is on her feet all day with this job). She will be eligible for subsidized daycare.

    She voted for Bush because of his "family values.""

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    Hey 4th & Long.....[b]HOW MANY MORE DAYS UNTIL A NEW PRESIDENT???[/b] :P :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol:

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    fags and abortion rights will ruin america!!!

    F-those hard line christians...
    If that offends you move to saudi arabia

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:14 PM
    [b] Hey 4th & Long.....[b]HOW MANY MORE DAYS UNTIL A NEW PRESIDENT???[/b] :P :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
    4 more years until Jeb takes over.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by 4th&Long+Nov 4 2004, 02:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (4th&Long @ Nov 4 2004, 02:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Come Back to NY[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:14 PM
    [b] Hey 4th & Long.....[b]HOW MANY MORE DAYS UNTIL A NEW PRESIDENT???[/b] :P :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
    4 more years until Jeb takes over. [/b][/quote]
    Enjoy it&#33;- [b]LIBERALISM IS DEAD&#33;[/b]

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bman[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:15 PM
    [b] fags and abortion rights will ruin america&#33;&#33;&#33;

    F-those hard line christians...
    If that offends you move to saudi arabia [/b][/quote]
    bman, Afghanistan seems like a good place to hide for 4 years.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY+Nov 4 2004, 02:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Come Back to NY @ Nov 4 2004, 02:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by 4th&Long@Nov 4 2004, 02:16 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-Come Back to NY[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:14 PM
    [b] Hey 4th & Long.....[b]HOW MANY MORE DAYS UNTIL A NEW PRESIDENT???[/b] :P :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
    4 more years until Jeb takes over. [/b][/quote]
    Enjoy it&#33;- [b]LIBERALISM IS DEAD&#33;[/b] [/b][/quote]
    I dont disagree. Reality vs. Jesus, Jesus always wins.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by 4th&Long+Nov 4 2004, 02:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (4th&Long @ Nov 4 2004, 02:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bman[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:15 PM
    [b] fags and abortion rights will ruin america&#33;&#33;&#33;

    F-those hard line christians...
    If that offends you move to saudi arabia [/b][/quote]
    bman, Afghanistan seems like a good place to hide for 4 years. [/b][/quote]
    you two should go together...and take the kennedy&#39;s, kerri&#39;s, dean&#39;s, moore-ons, clinton&#39;s, dixie c*nts and the rest with you...it will benefit us all.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by 4th&Long+Nov 4 2004, 02:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (4th&Long @ Nov 4 2004, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by Come Back to NY@Nov 4 2004, 02:18 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by 4th&Long@Nov 4 2004, 02:16 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-Come Back to NY[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:14 PM
    [b] Hey 4th & Long.....[b]HOW MANY MORE DAYS UNTIL A NEW PRESIDENT???[/b] :P :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
    4 more years until Jeb takes over. [/b][/quote]
    Enjoy it&#33;- [b]LIBERALISM IS DEAD&#33;[/b] [/b][/quote]
    I dont disagree. Reality vs. Jesus, Jesus always wins. [/b][/quote]
    remember; the libs are the idealists...the reality of the siutation matters not to them.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY+Nov 4 2004, 02:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Come Back to NY @ Nov 4 2004, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by 4th&Long@Nov 4 2004, 02:18 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-bman[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:15 PM
    [b] fags and abortion rights will ruin america&#33;&#33;&#33;

    F-those hard line christians...
    If that offends you move to saudi arabia [/b][/quote]
    bman, Afghanistan seems like a good place to hide for 4 years. [/b][/quote]
    you two should go together...and take the kennedy&#39;s, kerri&#39;s, dean&#39;s, moore-ons, clinton&#39;s, dixie c*nts and the rest with you...it will benefit us all. [/b][/quote]
    Can we bring John Stewart and Bill Maher too. I need some comedy. And Howard Stern. I need a laugh right now. Oh wait, 4 more years of the destruction of the English language by the leader of our relgious fanatical country and the free world should give me plenty to laugh about.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by 4th&Long+Nov 4 2004, 02:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (4th&Long @ Nov 4 2004, 02:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by Come Back to NY@Nov 4 2004, 02:20 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by 4th&Long@Nov 4 2004, 02:18 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-bman[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:15 PM
    [b] fags and abortion rights will ruin america&#33;&#33;&#33;

    F-those hard line christians...
    If that offends you move to saudi arabia [/b][/quote]
    bman, Afghanistan seems like a good place to hide for 4 years. [/b][/quote]
    you two should go together...and take the kennedy&#39;s, kerri&#39;s, dean&#39;s, moore-ons, clinton&#39;s, dixie c*nts and the rest with you...it will benefit us all. [/b][/quote]
    Can we bring John Stewart and Bill Maher too. I need some comedy. And Howard Stern. I need a laugh right now. Oh wait, 4 more years of the destruction of the English language by the leader of our relgious fanatical country and the free world should give me plenty to laugh about. [/b][/quote]
    bring &#39;em all...and enjoy counting the days as well as the next four years&#33;

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY+Nov 4 2004, 02:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Come Back to NY @ Nov 4 2004, 02:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by 4th&Long@Nov 4 2004, 02:24 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by Come Back to NY@Nov 4 2004, 02:20 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by 4th&Long@Nov 4 2004, 02:18 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-bman[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:15 PM
    [b] fags and abortion rights will ruin america&#33;&#33;&#33;

    F-those hard line christians...
    If that offends you move to saudi arabia [/b][/quote]
    bman, Afghanistan seems like a good place to hide for 4 years. [/b][/quote]
    you two should go together...and take the kennedy&#39;s, kerri&#39;s, dean&#39;s, moore-ons, clinton&#39;s, dixie c*nts and the rest with you...it will benefit us all. [/b][/quote]
    Can we bring John Stewart and Bill Maher too. I need some comedy. And Howard Stern. I need a laugh right now. Oh wait, 4 more years of the destruction of the English language by the leader of our relgious fanatical country and the free world should give me plenty to laugh about. [/b][/quote]
    bring &#39;em all...and enjoy counting the days as well as the next four years&#33; [/b][/quote]
    The countdown has begun.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by 4th&Long+Nov 4 2004, 02:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (4th&Long @ Nov 4 2004, 02:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by Come Back to NY@Nov 4 2004, 02:26 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by 4th&Long@Nov 4 2004, 02:24 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by Come Back to NY@Nov 4 2004, 02:20 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by 4th&Long@Nov 4 2004, 02:18 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-bman[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:15 PM
    [b] fags and abortion rights will ruin america&#33;&#33;&#33;

    F-those hard line christians...
    If that offends you move to saudi arabia [/b][/quote]
    bman, Afghanistan seems like a good place to hide for 4 years. [/b][/quote]
    you two should go together...and take the kennedy&#39;s, kerri&#39;s, dean&#39;s, moore-ons, clinton&#39;s, dixie c*nts and the rest with you...it will benefit us all. [/b][/quote]
    Can we bring John Stewart and Bill Maher too. I need some comedy. And Howard Stern. I need a laugh right now. Oh wait, 4 more years of the destruction of the English language by the leader of our relgious fanatical country and the free world should give me plenty to laugh about. [/b][/quote]
    bring &#39;em all...and enjoy counting the days as well as the next four years&#33; [/b][/quote]
    The countdown has begun. [/b][/quote]
    and like the most recent count it will all end in bitter dissapointment for the libs and rats in this nation in &#39;08 as they stay on their course of self-destruction&#33;

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    a country full of jesus freaks and rush limbaugh radio is what you want&#33;&#33;
    you can have it&#33;
    NYC is my home..the rest is yours..all those poor bastards who voted for jesus bush hate NYC..Imagine you cut off all of the blue states...America would be a third world nation&#33;...but hey..at least them fags and baby kilers would be gone&#33;

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    4th - are her problems solely the government&#39;s, and by extension, Bush&#39;s fault? Is it the church&#39;s fault? Is she responsible [i]at all[/i] for her current situation? Is adoption not an option for her? Did she not choose to drop out of college and get married? Did she not choose to get a divorce? Aren&#39;t you skeptical a little bit about believing as fact a completely one-sided version of her life&#39;s story? Why did she lose custody?

    This is so pathetic. Honestly. It AMAZES me. Yes, the answer to all of her problems would be to abort, abort, abort. Bush and the evil religions are the only reason why this woman has a rough life. Cry me a river. Aborting the baby would certainly cure her of depression and increase her salary, right? Who is the father of this new baby, the ex or someone else? If someone else, who is he and where is he and why did she get pregnant again so soon after a divroce when she had no means by which to support this child? She gets subsidized housing and daycare, and adoption is an option.


    Felling badly for a woman like this is fine. I do myself. But she needs to look in the f*cking mirror, stop feeling sorry for herself and start taking control of and responsibility for her life. It&#39;s SHE who has brought this upon her, no one else. Not her husband, not the church, not the government. Do you understand that?&#33; She CHOSE to do the things she&#39;s done, no one else has. I am sure it&#39;s rough for her. I feel badly for her. But no one but her and her ALONE can change things.

    This has nothing to do with Bush or the government. We do not exist to subsudize the poor life decisions of every citizen in this country. If she has a serious mental health problem, she can be admitted to an inpatient unit, or, at the very least, an outpatient unit and can go on SSDI or some other disability program. If not, and if she doens&#39;t not suffer from a clinical problem diagnosed on DSM-IV that requires monitoring or pyschotropic medication, she is clearly fit to live independently and is thus reponsible for herself and her actions.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY+Nov 4 2004, 02:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Come Back to NY @ Nov 4 2004, 02:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by 4th&Long@Nov 4 2004, 02:27 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by Come Back to NY@Nov 4 2004, 02:26 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by 4th&Long@Nov 4 2004, 02:24 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by Come Back to NY@Nov 4 2004, 02:20 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by 4th&Long@Nov 4 2004, 02:18 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-bman[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:15 PM
    [b] fags and abortion rights will ruin america&#33;&#33;&#33;

    F-those hard line christians...
    If that offends you move to saudi arabia [/b][/quote]
    bman, Afghanistan seems like a good place to hide for 4 years. [/b][/quote]
    you two should go together...and take the kennedy&#39;s, kerri&#39;s, dean&#39;s, moore-ons, clinton&#39;s, dixie c*nts and the rest with you...it will benefit us all. [/b][/quote]
    Can we bring John Stewart and Bill Maher too. I need some comedy. And Howard Stern. I need a laugh right now. Oh wait, 4 more years of the destruction of the English language by the leader of our relgious fanatical country and the free world should give me plenty to laugh about. [/b][/quote]
    bring &#39;em all...and enjoy counting the days as well as the next four years&#33; [/b][/quote]
    The countdown has begun. [/b][/quote]
    and like the most recent count it will all end in bitter dissapointment for the libs and rats in this nation in &#39;08 as they stay on their course of self-destruction&#33; [/b][/quote]
    I dont disagree with that either.

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    libs are NOT idealists...
    NEO cons are idealists..wolfiwitz himself is the biggest one of em all.."cake walks and flowers for the troops in iraq"&#33;&#33;...
    democracy will flourish all over the ME..arabs will embrace texas capitalism&#33; NOw start bombing&#33;..

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by jets5ever[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:31 PM
    [b] 4th - are her problems solely the government&#39;s, and by extension, Bush&#39;s fault? Is it the church&#39;s fault? Is she responsible [i]at all[/i] for her current situation? Is adoption not an option for her? Did she not choose to drop out of college and get married? Did she not choose to get a divorce? Aren&#39;t you skeptical a little bit about believing as fact a completely one-sided version of her life&#39;s story? Why did she lose custody?

    This is so pathetic. Honestly. It AMAZES me. Yes, the answer to all of her problems would be to abort, abort, abort. Bush and the evil religions are the only reason why this woman has a rough life. Cry me a river. Aborting the baby would certainly cure her of depression and increase her salary, right? Who is the father of this new baby, the ex or someone else? If someone else, who is he and where is he and why did she get pregnant again so soon after a divroce when she had no means by which to support this child? She gets subsidized housing and daycare, and adoption is an option.


    Felling badly for a woman like this is fine. I do myself. But she needs to look in the f*cking mirror, stop feeling sorry for herself and start taking control of and responsibility for her life. It&#39;s SHE who has brought this upon her, no one else. Not her husband, not the church, not the government. Do you understand that?&#33; She CHOSE to do the things she&#39;s done, no one else has. I am sure it&#39;s rough for her. I feel badly for her. But no one but her and her ALONE can change things.

    This has nothing to do with Bush or the government. We do not exist to subsudize the poor life decisions of every citizen in this country. If she has a serious mental health problem, she can be admitted to an inpatient unit, or, at the very least, an outpatient unit and can go on SSDI or some other disability program. If not, and if she doens&#39;t not suffer from a clinical problem diagnosed on DSM-IV that requires monitoring or pyschotropic medication, she is clearly fit to live independently and is thus reponsible for herself and her actions. [/b][/quote]
    Great post 5. You have a great knack for verbalizing the obvious. I&#39;d be surprised if some of the libs here haven&#39;t been 5everiitized after readidng many of your thoughtful posts.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bman[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:31 PM
    [b] a country full of jesus freaks and rush limbaugh radio is what you want&#33;&#33;
    you can have it&#33;
    NYC is my home..the rest is yours..all those poor bastards who voted for jesus bush hate NYC..Imagine you cut off all of the blue states...America would be a third world nation&#33;...but hey..at least them fags and baby kilers would be gone&#33; [/b][/quote]
    the red states are the bread basket of the world dumbass.

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    if we remove the coasts from america, america would become a cesspool....

    one with no creativity..but hey at least no one will complain when they beat up fags and single moms&#33;

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