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    I realize my post came across as probably more harsh than I meant it to be. I am not without compassion. I did social work for a year right after college, working with mental health patients. I understand their problems, some of which are beyond their control. Truly sick people need help. I acknolwedge that. Maybe this woman has been battered and that wasn't clear in 4th's post. That is tough.

    But still, people are ultimately responsible for their lot in ife, assuming that they have the capacity to function at a normal level of aptitude. This woman has made poor life decisions. "Tough love" while difficult, is likely what she needs. She needs to understand that it is HER who got her in this mess, and HER who is going to get her our of it. Projecting one's problems onto others (gov't, Bush, religion, ex-husband, etc) does nothing except perpetuate the defeatist, victimization spiral that she is in right now. There is no magical gov't program that is going to make her happy and successful. That comes from within, after hard work and perseverence. There are no short cuts and no free lunches.

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    i do not think anyone would disagree with you..
    it's also a shame that if you vote democrat you are viewed as a commie welfare advocate!



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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bman[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:51 PM
    [b] i do not think anyone would disagree with you..
    it's also a shame that if you vote democrat you are viewed as a commie welfare advocate!



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    f-the hard line christians.. [/b][/quote]
    bman, c'mon...I don't view democrats that way....

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by chiefst2000[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:37 PM
    [b] Great post 5. You have a great knack for verbalizing the obvious. I'd be surprised if some of the libs here haven't been 5everiitized after readidng many of your thoughtful posts. [/b][/quote]
    DITTO

    Screw Rush Limbaugh, I am a Dittohead for J5-Ever

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Green Jets & Ham+Nov 4 2004, 02:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Green Jets & Ham @ Nov 4 2004, 02:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-chiefst2000[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:37 PM
    [b] Great post 5. You have a great knack for verbalizing the obvious. I&#39;d be surprised if some of the libs here haven&#39;t been 5everiitized after readidng many of your thoughtful posts. [/b][/quote]
    DITTO

    Screw Rush Limbaugh, I am a Dittohead for J5-Ever [/b][/quote]
    100% Agreed. Best Poster in the Political Forum, bar none.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bman[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 03:31 PM
    [b] a country full of jesus freaks and rush limbaugh radio is what you want&#33;&#33;
    you can have it&#33;
    NYC is my home..the rest is yours..all those poor bastards who voted for jesus bush hate NYC..Imagine you cut off all of the blue states...America would be a third world nation&#33;...but hey..at least them fags and baby kilers would be gone&#33; [/b][/quote]
    Once again you seem to think that people that voted with their morals in mind were all Christians. Things changed after 9/11. Wake up.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Warfish+Nov 4 2004, 03:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Warfish @ Nov 4 2004, 03:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by Green Jets & Ham@Nov 4 2004, 02:57 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-chiefst2000[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:37 PM
    [b] Great post 5. You have a great knack for verbalizing the obvious. I&#39;d be surprised if some of the libs here haven&#39;t been 5everiitized after readidng many of your thoughtful posts. [/b][/quote]
    DITTO

    Screw Rush Limbaugh, I am a Dittohead for J5-Ever [/b][/quote]
    100% Agreed. Best Poster in the Political Forum, bar none. [/b][/quote]
    Now he&#39;s blushing

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by chiefst2000+Nov 4 2004, 03:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (chiefst2000 @ Nov 4 2004, 03:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by Warfish@Nov 4 2004, 03:02 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by Green Jets & Ham@Nov 4 2004, 02:57 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-chiefst2000[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:37 PM
    [b] Great post 5. You have a great knack for verbalizing the obvious. I&#39;d be surprised if some of the libs here haven&#39;t been 5everiitized after readidng many of your thoughtful posts. [/b][/quote]
    DITTO

    Screw Rush Limbaugh, I am a Dittohead for J5-Ever [/b][/quote]
    100% Agreed. Best Poster in the Political Forum, bar none. [/b][/quote]
    Now he&#39;s blushing [/b][/quote]
    Well, I have to admit the truth Chiefs, don&#39;t I? George GETS IT. There is really no other way to put it (and I am one who often finds himself on the OTHER end of George&#39;s insightful postings).

    He also is one who actully gets where I come from 99% of the time. I like that.

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    George gets it..
    george from beatown..
    not george from crawford

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Warfish+Nov 4 2004, 03:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Warfish @ Nov 4 2004, 03:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by chiefst2000@Nov 4 2004, 03:07 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by Warfish@Nov 4 2004, 03:02 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by Green Jets & Ham@Nov 4 2004, 02:57 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-chiefst2000[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:37 PM
    [b] Great post 5. You have a great knack for verbalizing the obvious. I&#39;d be surprised if some of the libs here haven&#39;t been 5everiitized after readidng many of your thoughtful posts. [/b][/quote]
    DITTO

    Screw Rush Limbaugh, I am a Dittohead for J5-Ever [/b][/quote]
    100% Agreed. Best Poster in the Political Forum, bar none. [/b][/quote]
    Now he&#39;s blushing [/b][/quote]
    Well, I have to admit the truth Chiefs, don&#39;t I? George GETS IT. There is really no other way to put it (and I am one who often finds himself on the OTHER end of George&#39;s insightful postings).

    He also is one who actully gets where I come from 99% of the time. I like that. [/b][/quote]
    The guy does have a type of patience for the kooks and loons that I certainly don&#39;t.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by chiefst2000[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 03:21 PM
    [b]
    The guy does have a type of patience for the kooks and loons that I certainly don&#39;t. [/b][/quote]
    Jeez Chiefs, if I didn;t know you better, I might think you were referring to ME&#33;&#33;&#33; :blink: :P

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    this is humorous...
    (did I offend anyone there)

    F the -------------------

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Warfish+Nov 4 2004, 03:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Warfish @ Nov 4 2004, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-chiefst2000[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 03:21 PM
    [b]
    The guy does have a type of patience for the kooks and loons that I certainly don&#39;t. [/b][/quote]
    Jeez Chiefs, if I didn;t know you better, I might think you were referring to ME&#33;&#33;&#33; :blink: :P [/b][/quote]
    I don&#39;t think your a kook or a loon. Your an instigator, a devils advocate, and a moral relativist :P that said I think your a good guy and I&#39;d gladly have a beer and watch a game with ya.

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    Thanks for the kind words guys, but don&#39;t get all McGreevied-out on me now&#33;


    However, I want to clear up a key minconception:

    I may have settled down in Beantown with the wife, but I am not from here...no way, no how. I&#39;m from the greatest place on earth - NEW JERSEY&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;



    JER-SEY&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

    If you ain&#39;t from NJ, you won&#39;t understand. The Garden State rocks&#33;

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    where in Jersey?
    (did that offend anyone)

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bman[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 02:49 PM
    [b] where in Jersey?
    (did that offend anyone) [/b][/quote]
    Already reported it to the mods ;)

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bman[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 03:49 PM
    [b] where in Jersey?
    (did that offend anyone) [/b][/quote]
    Mountain Lakes. It&#39;s in Morris County, next to Boonton, Parsippany and within shouting distance of Morristown and Dover.

    Willowbrook Mall in the house&#33;

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    northern Jersey for me..

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bman[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 04:18 PM
    [b] northern Jersey for me.. [/b][/quote]
    I grew up in Monmouth County, Hazlet to be exact. Monmouth County voted for Bush higher than any other county in NJ. Now I live near Princeton in Mercer Cty, the county which voted highest for Kerry in NJ.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by jets5ever+Nov 4 2004, 04:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (jets5ever &#064; Nov 4 2004, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bman[/i]@Nov 4 2004, 03:49 PM
    [b] where in Jersey?
    (did that offend anyone) [/b][/quote]
    Mountain Lakes. It&#39;s in Morris County, next to Boonton, Parsippany and within shouting distance of Morristown and Dover.

    Willowbrook Mall in the house&#33; [/b][/quote]
    Little known fact, Morris county was one of the few Red counties in NJ. Thought you&#39;d enjoy that&#33;

    Oh, and I live in Essex now. Born and raised in Brooklyn.

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