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    More divorce in red states
    Kentucky and Bible Belt among highest of all
    By Pam Belluck
    NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE

    BOSTON - If blue states care less about moral values, why are divorce rates so low in the bluest of the blue states? It's a question that intrigues conservatives, as much as it emboldens liberals.

    As researchers have noted, the areas of the country where divorce rates are highest are also often the areas where many conservative Christians live.

    Kentucky, Mississippi and Arkansas, for example, voted overwhelmingly for constitutional amendments to ban same-sex marriage. But they had three of the highest divorce rates in 2003, according to figures from the Census Bureau and the National Center for Health Statistics.

    The lowest divorce rates are largely in the blue states: the Northeast and the upper Midwest. And the state with the lowest divorce rate was Massachusetts, home to John Kerry, the Kennedys and same-sex marriage.

    In 2003, the rate in Massachusetts was 5.7 divorces per 1,000 married people, compared with 10.8 in Kentucky, 11.1 in Mississippi and 12.7 in Arkansas.

    "Some people are saying, 'The Bible Belt is so pro-marriage, but gee, they have the highest divorce rates in the country,'" said Barbara Dafoe Whitehead, co-director of the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University. "And there's a lot of worry in the red states about the high rate of divorce."

    The Barna Group, a California organization that studies evangelical Christian trends, has produced two studies about divorce that found that born-again Christians were just as likely to divorce as those who are not born-again Christians.

    One of the reports, a survey of 7,043 people in 2001, said that: "Residents of the Northeast and West are commonly noted for their more liberal leanings in politics and lifestyle. However, the region of the nation in which divorce was least likely was the Northeast."

    The other study, published two months ago, said that even though the Northeast probably had a higher rate of couples living together rather than marrying, the divorce rate would be essentially similar even if the cohabiting couples got hitched. And it said that "relatively few divorced Christians experienced their divorce before accepting Christ as their savior."

    George Barna, the head of the organization, said that "a lot of really nice Christian people try to shoot down the research by saying 'Oh, they got divorced and then they became born again.' That's just not true."

    What accounts for the nation's divorce dichotomy is the subject of much speculation.

    Some people, like Bridget Maher, an analyst on marriage and family issues at the conservative Family Research Council, attribute it almost entirely to the religions in the different regions. "The Northeast and Midwest have high populations of Catholics and Lutherans and they have lower divorce rates than other Christians," she said.

    Others, like Patrick F. Fagan, a research fellow at the Heritage Foundation, say it has nothing to do with differences between faiths.

    "People who worship frequently, no matter what their faith, tend to divorce much, much, much less," said Fagan, making an argument that might suggest that Northeasterners are more devout than other people. "All this talk about this faith, that faith, born again, not born again, to me is irrelevant."

    Many experts find the explanation to be more multidimensional, tying high divorce rates to factors like younger age of marriage, less education and lower socioeconomic status.

    "The higher the educational level, higher the occupational level, higher the income, the less likely you are to divorce," said William V. D'Antonio, a sociologist at the Catholic University of America, noting that Massachusetts has the highest rate of high school and college completion. "Kids who drop out of high school and get married very quickly suffer from the strains of not being emotionally mature and not having the income to help weather the difficulties of marriage."

    Whitehead, who lives in Amherst, Mass., said that New England is a region that has "more stability" than other regions. "People stay here, their families stay here, and there's more social and family support for people, a more communal versus individualistic culture in New England compared to the cowboy states."

    She said religion may underscore those regional differences.

    "In states with lots of evangelicals, the more individualistic Protestant religious faiths may actually also encourage more go-it-alone attitudes than communal ones," Whitehead said. And these are also states where the culture encourages sexual abstinence before marriage, she said.

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    WTF do morals have to do with the divorce rate?! Are you now insinuating that divorce is immoral?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Enrique Pallazzo[/i]@Nov 16 2004, 12:34 PM
    [b] WTF do morals have to do with the divorce rate?! Are you now insinuating that divorce is immoral? [/b][/quote]
    According the right-wing Christians it is.

    Doesn't divorce destroy the "sanctity" of marriage more than gay marriage?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15+Nov 16 2004, 12:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Section109Row15 @ Nov 16 2004, 12:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Enrique Pallazzo[/i]@Nov 16 2004, 12:34 PM
    [b] WTF do morals have to do with the divorce rate?&#33; Are you now insinuating that divorce is immoral? [/b][/quote]
    According the right-wing Christians it is.

    Doesn&#39;t divorce destroy the "sanctity" of marriage more than gay marriage? [/b][/quote]
    and what percent of the country do you consider "right wing Christians?"

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Enrique Pallazzo+Nov 16 2004, 10:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Enrique Pallazzo @ Nov 16 2004, 10:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by Section109Row15@Nov 16 2004, 12:40 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-Enrique Pallazzo[/i]@Nov 16 2004, 12:34 PM
    [b] WTF do morals have to do with the divorce rate?&#33; Are you now insinuating that divorce is immoral? [/b][/quote]
    According the right-wing Christians it is.

    Doesn&#39;t divorce destroy the "sanctity" of marriage more than gay marriage? [/b][/quote]
    and what percent of the country do you consider "right wing Christians?" [/b][/quote]
    If your not a militant atheist or a loony lib then according to section your a right wing christian fundamentalist.

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    Get over it already, your side lost. I guess if it makes you feel better and stops you from jumping off of a bridge then go ahead and post this lib crap. Just remember GW is your President for 4 more years.

    How do you like dem apples?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by chiefst2000[/i]@Nov 16 2004, 12:53 PM
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    If your not a militant atheist or a loony lib then according to section your a right wing christian fundamentalist. [/b][/quote]
    Well, that&#39;s SORT of the answer I was expecting. At least I thought the response would be a pretty high percentage anyway.

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    Hey Section. Do you work for a living? Because the amount of time you must spend finding and reading this drek must be staggering.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Piper[/i]@Nov 16 2004, 03:59 PM
    [b] Hey Section. Do you work for a living? Because the amount of time you must spend finding and reading this drek must be staggering. [/b][/quote]
    nah... he&#39;s 10.

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    Your tax dollars are paying me to do nothing. I am a federal contractor.

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    NYT debunked on divorce rates in red states (JUNK SCIENCE&#33;)




    In a recent New York Times Article, Pam Belluck asked the question: "If blue states care less about moral values, why are divorce rates so low in the bluest of the blue states?" Pam&#39;s article went on to cite "divorce rates" from federal data showing that strongly pro-Kerry states have low divorce rates, while pro-Bush bible-belt states have high rates.

    This is a deeply flawed misuse of statistics. The reported "divorce rate" is not the rate per marriage, but the rate per population. When one looks at CDC data, one finds that of the 10 states with the lowest ratio of divorces to marriage, half are blue states, half are red. The same 50-50 split holds true for the worst dozen states.

    There appears to be no meaningful correlation between politics and divorce. Undoubtedly, because Kerry received most of his support from urban areas where young adults tend to defer marriage, many remain unmarried, and where unmarried gays congregate, the use of "divorce rates" per population creates a strong bias. (Would a higher "divorce rate" - per 1000 residents - among gays in San Francisco and Massachusetts have similar importance?)

    The graph below shows the data, with marriage meccas Nevada and Hawaii topping the list with lowest number of divorces per marriage. College havens in New England also are high on the list, perhaps in part due to the number of young adults who live there at the time they get married, but who depart soon after, before potentially divorcing.

    2004 presidential election winner is indicated by color, with a dark color indicating that the wonner took at least 55% of the state&#39;s vote.



    1999 (latest) CDC data, which is incomplete for 4 states (including California) and the District of Columbia.

    Data source:

    [url=http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr48/48_19_3.pdf]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr48/48_19_3.pdf[/url]

    Chart data here:

    [url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1281125/posts?page=13#13]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1...osts?page=13#13[/url]

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