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    [b]Hate 101

    Climate of hate rocks Columbia University [/b]


    Many students say Columbia Prof. Hamid Dabashi, a department chairman, has bullied and threatened them for defending Israel.


    Students Ariel Beery (speaking) and Noah Liben (r.) at press conference after showing of the film 'Columbia Unbecoming.'

    It's a capital of "thuggery" - a "ghastly state of racism and apartheid" - and it "must be dismantled."
    A voice from America's crackpot fringe? Actually, Dabashi is a tenured professor and department chairman at Columbia University. And his views have resonated and been echoed in other areas of the university.

    Columbia is at risk of becoming a poison Ivy, some critics claim, and tensions are high.

    In classrooms, teach-ins, interviews and published works, dozens of academics are said to be promoting an I-hate-Israel agenda, embracing the ugliest of Arab propaganda, and teaching that Zionism is the root of all evil in the Mideast.

    In three weeks of interviews, numerous students told the Daily News they face harassment, threats and ridicule merely for defending the right of Israel to survive.

    And the university itself is holding investigations into the alleged intimidation.

    Dabashi has achieved academic stardom: professor of Iranian studies; chairman of the Middle East and Asian languages and cultures department; past head of a panel that administers Columbia's core curriculum.

    The 53-year-old, Iranian-born scholar has said CNN should be held accountable for "war crimes" for one-sided coverage of Sept. 11, 2001. He doubts the existence of Al Qaeda and questions the role of Osama Bin Laden in the attacks.

    Dabashi did not return calls.

    In September in the Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram, he wrote, "What they call Israel is no mere military state. A subsumed militarism, a systemic mendacity with an ingrained violence constitutional to the very fusion of its fabric, has penetrated the deepest corners of what these people have to call their soul."

    After the showing of a student-made documentary about faculty bias and bullying that targets Jewish students, six or seven swastikas were found carved in a Butler Library bathroom last month.

    Then after a screening of the film, "Columbia Unbecoming," produced by the David Project, a pro-Israel group in Boston, one student denounced another as a "Zionist fascist scum," witnesses said.

    On Oct. 27, Columbia announced it would probe alleged intimidation and improve procedures for students to file grievances.

    "Is the climate hostile to free expression?" asked Alan Brinkley, the university provost. "I don't believe it is, but we're investigating to find out."

    But one student on College Walk described the campus as a "republic of fear." Another branded the Middle East and Asian languages and cultures department the "department of dishonesty."

    A third described how she was once "humiliated in front of an entire class."

    Deena Shanker, a Mideast and Asian studies major, remains an admirer of the department. But she says she will never forget the day she asked Joseph Massad, a professor of modern Arab politics, if Israel gives warnings before bombing certain buildings so residents could flee.

    "Instead of answering my question, Massad exploded," she said. "He told me if I was going to 'deny the atrocities' committed against the Palestinians, I could get out of his class."

    "Professorial power is being abused," said Ariel Beery, a senior who is student president in the School of General Studies, but stresses he's speaking only for himself.

    "Students are being bullied because of their identities, ideologies, religions and national origins," Beery said.

    Added Noah Liben, another senior, "Debate is being stifled. Students are being silenced in their own classrooms."

    Said Brinkley: If a professor taught the "Earth was flat or there was no Holocaust," Columbia might intervene in the classroom. "But we don't tell faculty they can't express strong, or even offensive opinions."

    Yet even some faculty members say they fear social ostracism and career consequences if they're viewed as too pro-Israel, and that many have been cowed or shamed into silence.

    One apparently unafraid is Dan Miron, a professor of Hebrew literature and holder of a prestigious endowed chair.

    He said scores of Jewish students - about one a week - have trooped into his office to complain about bias in the classroom.

    "Students tell me they've been browbeaten, humiliated and treated disrespectfully for daring to challenge the idea that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish nation," he said.

    "They say they've been told Israeli soldiers routinely rape Palestinian women and commit other atrocities, and that Zionism is racism and the root of all evil."

    One yardstick of the anti-Israel sentiment among professors, critics say, is the 106 faculty signatures on a petition last year that called for Columbia to sell its holdings in all firms that conduct business with Israel's military.

    Noting that the divestment campaign compared Israel to South Africa during the apartheid era, Columbia President Lee Bollinger termed it "grotesque and offensive."

    That didn't stop 12 Mideast and Asian studies professors - almost half the department - and 21 anthropology teachers from signing on, a review of the petition shows.

    To identify the Columbia faculty with the most strongly anti-Israel views, The News spoke to numerous teachers and students, including some who took their courses; reviewed interviews and published works, and examined Web sites that report their public speeches and statements, including the online archives of the Columbia Spectator, the student newspaper.

    Their views could be dismissed as academic fodder if they weren't so incendiary.


    Columbia's firebrands

    In the world of Hamid Dabashi, supporters of Israel are "warmongers" and "Gestapo apparatchiks."

    The Jewish homeland is "nothing more than a military base for the rising predatory empire of the United States."


    [b]Nicholas De Genova, who teaches anthropology and Latino studies. The Chronicle of Higher Education calls him "the most hated professor in America."
    At an anti-war teach-in last year, he said he wished for a "million Mogadishus," referring to the slaughter of U.S. troops in Somalia in 1993.

    "U.S. patriotism is inseparable from imperial warfare and white supremacy," he added.

    De Genova has also said, "The heritage of the victims of the Holocaust belongs to the Palestinian people. ... Israel has no claim to the heritage of the Holocaust."

    De Genova didn't return calls.[/b] ([i][I]they should've called me...I would've told 'em everything![/i][I][/I])

    Bruce Robbins, a professor of English and comparative literature.
    In a speech backing divestment, he said, "The Israeli government has no right to the sufferings of the Holocaust."

    Elaborating, Robbins told The News he believes Israel has a right to exist, but he thinks the country has "betrayed the memory of the Holocaust."


    Joseph Massad, who is a tenure-track professor of Arab politics. Students and faculty interviewed by The News consistently claimed that the Jordanian-born Palestinian is the most controversial, and vitriolic, professor on campus.
    "How many Palestinians have you killed?" he allegedly asked one student, Tomy Schoenfeld, an Israeli military veteran, and then refused to answer his questions.

    To Massad, CNN star Wolf Blitzer is "Ze'ev Blitzer," which is the byline Blitzer used in the 1980s, when he wrote for Hebrew papers but hasn't used since.

    Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon can be likened to Nazi Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, he once declared.

    "The Jews are not a nation," he said in one speech. "The Jewish state is a racist state that does not have a right to exist."

    Massad didn't return several calls. On his Web site, he says he's a victim of a "witch hunt" by "pro-Israel groups" and their "propaganda machine."


    George Saliba, a professor of Arabic and Islamic science. His classroom rants against the West are legendary, students have claimed.
    One student says his "Islam & Western Science" class could be called "Why the West is Evil." Another writes that his "Intro to Islamic Civilization" often serves as a forum to "rail against evil America."

    A recent graduate, Lindsay Shrier, said Saliba told her, "You have no claim to the land of Israel ... no voice in this debate. You have green eyes, you're not a true Semite. I have brown eyes, I'm a true Semite."

    Saliba did not return calls.


    Rashid Khalidi, who is the Edward Said professor of Arab studies. He's the academic heir to the late Said, a professor who famously threw a stone from Lebanon at an Israeli guard booth.

    Columbia initially refused to say how the chair was funded. But The United Arab Emirates, which denies the Holocaust on state TV channels, is reported to have provided $200,000.

    When Palestinians in a Ramallah police station lynched two Israeli reservists in 2000 - throwing one body out a window and proudly displaying bloodstained hands - the professor attacked the media, not the killers.

    He complained about "inflammatory headlines" in a Chicago Sun-Times story and called the paper's then-owner, Conrad Black, who also owned the Jerusalem Post, "the most extreme Zionist in public life."

    Reached at Columbia, Khalidi declined to comment on specifics.

    "As somebody who has a body of work, written six books and won many awards, the only fair thing to do is look at the entire body of work, not take quotes out of context," he said.


    Lila Abu-Lughod, a professor of anthropology, romanticizes Birzeit University in the West Bank as a "liberal arts college dedicated to teaching and research in the same spirit as U.S. colleges."
    But it is well-established that Birzeit also is the campus where Hamas openly recruits suicide bombers, stone-throwers and gunmen.

    As in her published works, Abu-Lughod gave a carefully nuanced response when reached Friday by The News:

    "The CIA has historically recruited at Columbia, but that's not the mission of Columbia. The mission of Birzeit is to educate students, and they're working under very difficult circumstances to do that."

    [url=http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/254925p-218295c.html]http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/254...5p-218295c.html[/url]

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    the united states (through the UN) created Israel on what was (at the time) someone else's land. Besides our reliance on Oil, the US unending support of Israel is another large reason why anti-american terrorism exists today. If we didn't use as much oil and didn't create Israel, it is unlikely there would have been a 9-11...

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 21 2004, 10:57 AM
    [b] the united states (through the UN) created Israel on what was (at the time) someone else's land. Besides our reliance on Oil, the US unending support of Israel is another large reason why anti-american terrorism exists today. If we didn't use as much oil and didn't create Israel, it is unlikely there would have been a 9-11... [/b][/quote]
    .......or had bill clinton done what he should've, taken out bin laden during one of the many opportunities that were afforded him in his second term, 9-11 would've never happened...but that was too easy. We are better off turning our backs on one of the leading democracies in the world in order to be accepted by a bunch of militant scuzlims and ungrateful your-a-peons...

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    i don't believe that to be true - taking out Bin Ladin in 2000 doesn't change what his followers do a year later... Clinton didn't create Israel, Clinton didn't make a deal with Ibn Saud in the 1930s - these are the root causes of terrorism... and I have news for you catching and killing Bin Ladin doesn't defeat the entire terrorist network all it really does is make him a martyr for the cause.

    blaming presidents is stupid - i could just as easily blame reagan for training and arming Bin Ladin in the early 80s...

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 21 2004, 11:14 AM
    [b] i don't believe that to be true - taking out Bin Ladin in 2000 doesn't change what his followers do a year later...

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    sure....let's just forget 96-99- brilliant. If you don't think taking obl out prior to 2000, and clinton had many opportunities, would've stopped 9-11, you are fooling yourself.

    Turn on Meet the Press right now. Clinton was afraid to shoot obl in '98 because the shrapnel may have hit a mosque. Another time in '97 they had a chance but clinton didn't want to cause he was with an arab prince.

    "ample opportunities to take out OBL long before 9-11"

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    i dunno how this became a discussion on Clinton's foreign policy (admittedly poor)

    do you really believe that a world without OBL (imagine he was killed/captured in 96) is a world without terrorism?

    this is the problem with the Bush Administration's war on terror in a nutshell - [b]always fight the symptoms never the disease.[/b]

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 21 2004, 10:57 AM
    [b] the united states (through the UN) created Israel on what was (at the time) someone else's land. Besides our reliance on Oil, the US unending support of Israel is another large reason why anti-american terrorism exists today. If we didn't use as much oil and didn't create Israel, it is unlikely there would have been a 9-11... [/b][/quote]
    Blame America first.

    Yawn.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Jet Moses[/i]@Nov 21 2004, 11:54 AM
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    Blame America first.

    Yawn. [/b][/quote]
    i don't blame America im talking about the realities of the situation... no one wants to think about what would make a person want to kill themselves to make a point... rather just drop 500 pound bombs arbitrarily and hope for the best.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti+Nov 21 2004, 11:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (bitonti @ Nov 21 2004, 11:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Jet Moses[/i]@Nov 21 2004, 11:54 AM
    [b]
    Blame America first.

    Yawn. [/b][/quote]
    i don&#39;t blame America im talking about the realities of the situation... no one wants to think about what would make a person want to kill themselves to make a point... rather just drop 500 pound bombs arbitrarily and hope for the best. [/b][/quote]
    Shame on America&#33; Standing in the way of the rest of the world in their attempts to exterminate the entire Jewish race.

    We deserved 9-11. The nerve of us.

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    Moses, last time i checked there wasn&#39;t a star on the flag for Israel.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 21 2004, 12:11 PM
    [b] Moses, last time i checked there wasn&#39;t a star on the flag for Israel. [/b][/quote]
    Uh.. and?

    Do you have a point?

    Here, this will give an idea of just how dysfunctional and unreasonable the arabs are that call themselves "Palestinians"...

    Finally, Yassir Arafat dies, and they have a real chance to make a fresh start. So who&#39;s the peoples favorite to succeed that crook?

    Marwan Barghouti, who is currently serving 5 life sentences for terrorist attacks in the West bank.

    How far up your ass does your head have to be to think that there is any chance that Israel can act in good faith with such maniacs?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 21 2004, 11:51 AM
    [b] i dunno how this became a discussion on Clinton&#39;s foreign policy (admittedly poor)

    [/b][/quote]
    read your own posts....

    [quote][b]do you really believe that a world without OBL (imagine he was killed/captured in 96) is a world without terrorism?[/b][/quote]

    Never impled that...it would&#39;ve been an America without 9-11 and a world with less terrorism.

    [QUOTE]this is the problem with the Bush Administration&#39;s war on terror in a nutshell - [b]always fight the symptoms never the disease.[/b][QUOTE]

    True...he&#39;s not fighting the disease he is killing it.

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    time will only tell and for the sake of the soldiers who have died or suffered life changing wounds i hope you (and Bush) are right...

    Moses what my point is that we have for over 80 years guided the development of the middle east, for better or for worse - every effect has a cause - people what to believe that relevant history started in 1972 with the hostages in Iran but the truth is that the West&#39;s involvement in the ME goes far deeper than that.

    as the Bible says you shall reap what you sew...

    im not condoning terrorism or blaming America - that has to be 100% clear - what i am doing is talking about the root causes of terrorism, something that apparently no one wants to deal with.

    it is my contention that Killing insurgents and occupying cities in Iraq is the metaphorical equivalent to trying to solve a roach problem with your shoes and RAID spray. For every 1 that we see there are 10 waiting behind the walls. We see the real manifestation of this in current affairs - we take one city in Iraq and then another explodes into violence. Infestation can only be dealt with by treating the root causes - so it goes with this war on terror.

    to be completely clear i am not saying that Kerry or Clinton would do/did do a better job than Bush. This is a problem that goes beyond party lines.

    i will say this - since we have destroyed their gov&#39;t, Iraqis cannot govern themselves - it will take decades to rebuild this country and the benefit to our national security is unclear - does getting rid of Saddam help Israel? hell yeah but we aren&#39;t Israel.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 21 2004, 12:46 PM
    [b] time will only tell and for the for over 80 years guided the development of the middle east, for better or for worse - every effect has a cause - people im not condoning terrorism or blaming America - that has to be 100% clear - what i am doing is talking about the root causes to solve a roach problem with your shoes and RAID [/b][/quote]
    [url=http://www.naturallist.com/montreal.htm]http://www.naturallist.com/montreal.htm[/url]

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    I new I would find the original story on this scumbag:

    [b]Professor calls for &#39;million more Mogadishus&#39;

    Controversial comments at antiwar teach-in
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    NEW YORK (CNN) -- Columbia University said an assistant professor who made statements indicating he wanted to see U.S. soldiers killed, evidently to boost antiwar sentiment, was "exercising his right to free speech" and did not represent the university.

    Assistant anthropology professor Nicholas De Genova said at an antiwar teach-in Wednesday night that he would like to see "a million more Mogadishus," according to one of the event&#39;s organizers.

    He was referring to the Somali capital where 18 American soldiers were killed in 1993. The incident, the focus of the book and movie "Black Hawk Down," prompted the withdrawal of U.S. troops from the peacekeeping mission in Somalia.

    De Genova also said that the American flag stands for imperialism and that it is impossible to be a patriotic American without also being an imperialist.

    The university issued a statement saying De Genova "was speaking as an individual at a teach-in. He was exercising his right to free speech. His statement does not in any way represent the views of Columbia University."

    Eric Foner, a history professor at Columbia who helped organize the teach-in, said Genova&#39;s statements were "reprehensible" and represented neither the views of the event&#39;s organizers nor the antiwar movement as a whole.

    Freshman Philip Cartelli, one of the students who attended the teach-in, said there were small cheers after some of De Genova&#39;s controversial remarks. But he added that about half of the students "were rolling their eyes."

    About 3,000 students, faculty and community members passed through the university&#39;s Low Library rotunda to hear roughly 30 professors speak there during the six-hour teach-in, Foner said.

    The next day, Cartelli and a group of approximately students 50 students tried to deliver a letter to Lee C. Bollinger, Columbia&#39;s president, asking him to issue an official statement opposing the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

    The students at that time were denied access to the Low Library building, which houses the offices of the president, but were permitted to later meet with Robert Kasdin, senior vice president at the university.

    [url=http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/03/28/sprj.irq.professor.somalia/]http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/0...fessor.somalia/[/url]

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 21 2004, 10:57 AM
    [b] the united states (through the UN) created Israel on what was (at the time) someone else&#39;s land. Besides our reliance on Oil, the US unending support of Israel is another large reason why anti-american terrorism exists today. If we didn&#39;t use as much oil and didn&#39;t create Israel, it is unlikely there would have been a 9-11... [/b][/quote]
    Well Bit if you want to blame the US for Israel then also Blame the Dam
    Democrats that were in charge at the time 1948 and the Congress that
    was also controlled by the Democrats.. ;)

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