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    Today's headline of the NJ Star-Ledger blared--Brazen Bloodshed

    On Monday and Tuesday there were something like 10 shootings and 4 homicides as a result, all differnt incidents, no arrests.

    On top of that the police got into a shootout with a few guys and long pursuit, wound up catching all 3, one of whom was shot himself.

    The Director of the PD is quoted as saying the "regular" citizens need not worry as most of the victims are criminal themselves....Can you believe that?

    If you have the time, read the story and let me know what you think about the quotes from the Director and Mayor, they astonished me.

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    [url=http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-19/1103179091113900.xml]http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/b...79091113900.xml[/url]

    maybe this works.

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    What also astonished me was how their family and friends gush over how wonderful they were and trying to get their lives back together. And the mom who says he kept his outside life out of his home life. So stupid they sound.

    Yeah, and as long as you're not a criminal, you're safe in Newark, despite the 80+ homicides this year. If regular cititzens had the same protection as the mayor and PD, then maybe they'd feel better.

    Be careful out there.

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    Newark New Jersey is totally out of control as far as the safety of the ordinary people-I have all the respect for all the cops that have to go out there and put their lives at stake and try to protect citizens.
    Sharpe James is and has been a joke- I also feel sorry for working class people trying to make a decent life for themselves

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    The average resident "bears minimum risk of being the victim of a crime," Ambrose said


    :[img]http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /> :[img]http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /> How the hell can he say that???? The director of the Newark Police Department needs to walk the streets himself in the South and West Wards and see if he just happens to "be in the wrong place at the wrong time"!!!!!! How many "regular" residents of Newark have been shot or hit by a car as a result of these thugs/gang memebers???

    Bro, be careful out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    A Newark cop's son, who was 18 and the back seat passenger of a car, was shot in the head and killed in a random killing. How do you think that cop felt after reading the story?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Stewdawg[/i]@Dec 17 2004, 10:23 AM
    [b] A Newark cop's son, who was 18 and the back seat passenger of a car, was shot in the head and killed in a random killing. How do you think that cop felt after reading the story? [/b][/quote]
    Personally, I think he should beat the sh*t out of Ambrose!!! Just my feeling......

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Stewdawg[/i]@Dec 17 2004, 10:23 AM
    [b] A Newark cop's son, who was 18 and the back seat passenger of a car, was shot in the head and killed in a random killing. How do you think that cop felt after reading the story? [/b][/quote]
    The kid that was shot had a girlfriend...and I work with her mom. By every account the kid was about to go to college...and actually graduated from high school earlier that day :(

    As a Newark resident let me say that what is troubling the city and Essex County in general is the emergence of gangs. 5 years ago it was not around here..just on the west coast. It's even spread to areas of Montclair/Bloomfield etc and the cops are doing nothing about it.

    My cousin is an East Orange police officer and I fear for his life everyday. They actually put out hits on cops :[img]http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /> What the F is wrong with this world when the damn cops are not safe?

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    There was an editiorial piece in saturday ledger where they take mayor and director to task for their comments and also wonder how high the murder rate would be if not for local college hospital, who seem to save even the most critical of patients. Its good reading.

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    Are all you guys in Newark/Essex county? I'm in Kearny (Hudson county).

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    work in Essex, live in Middlesex

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    Today's Ledger reports that the Newark PD will more aggressively investigate non-fatal shootings beginning in the new year, in an effort to stem retaliation shootings and get the bad guys of fthe street.

    Should'nt that have always been the approach??

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    Another killing, shot dead on Christmas morning, 4 others wounded, after several males walk up on a group hanging out in their housing complex and light them up...

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    That's it.

    Newark vs. Detroit in a cage match

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Chase[/i]@Dec 17 2004, 12:47 PM
    [b] What the F is wrong with this world when the damn cops are not safe? [/b][/quote]
    I'll never forget when many years ago a wiseguy told me their gonna be sorry when they break up the mafia, cause what will take the mafia's place is chaos

    J Edgar Hoover believed that as well ... that's why for years he had a hands-off approach to the mafia ... even went so far as to deny the mafia's existance {though he knew that was BS} till he could no-longer get away with it

    Hoover knew there will always be organized crime of some sort ... knew it was impossible to extinguish the concept ... if you look at american history it's true ... first it was the Jews, then it was the Irish, then the Italian mafia had it's reign ... but now the Italian mafia is on it's last legs and you see far more ruthless gangs taking their place, with no rules whatsoever, not even killing cops

    That's what Hoover feared and that's what this wiseguy meant when he told me that years ago

    Look at Columbia cause that's where we're likely heading ... they even assassinate politicians ... but as you all know, the mafia considered cops, judges, politicians, and reporters off-limits

    Oh you had an occassional rogue mobster who killed a cop, but that man was given a death sentence by the mob itself for breaking that rule ... and if they caught him first there was no trial

    But this new breed has no such rules ... it's complete chaos ... anyone is fair game to this new breed

    This is not an apology for the mafia ... just trying to make a deeper point

    Here's one more I'll leave you with .....

    If you lived in a mafia part of town back in the day, and you were just a defenseless old lady, child, or a simple working stiff ... you could walk the streets at nite knowing you lived in the safest part of town imaginable ... the crime rate was probably lower in those areas than anywhere else in the inner-cities ... the street thugs took their business elsewhere, cause if you f**ked with somebody in those neighborhoods that was a DEATH SENTENCE {and the street thugs knew that better than anyone}

    But this new breed terrorizes their own neighborhoods ... no-one is safe ... woman in their neighborhoods even get raped, whereas in those mafia towns to rape a woman would have been punishable by torture ... then, after the torture, they would have chopped you up into little pieces and fed you to the doberman pinchers

    Again, this is no defense for the mafia and nor am I seeking to glorify the mob ... just telling it like it is ... or as they say nowdays, just keepin it real

    Again, this is exactly what Hoover feared ... his detractors like to say he failed to recognize the mafia cause he was clueless, but that it total BS ... nothing got by Hoover ... his failure to recognize the mafia was a concious decision, cause he feared the changing of the guard, and he knew {from history and common sense} that there would be a changing of the guard ... when one form of organized crime exits the stage, another inevitably takes it's place

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    GJH that is an excellent post and one that really opened my eyes.

    Being a young black male of 29 of course I only know about mob activities from what I have seen in movies or through my own reading. However the day to day respect for the "average citizen" by the mafia does not get portrayed in movies as much....the violence is often sensationalized to make money(although it was very prevalent as you pointed out).

    The question to be answered is are we really better off today? I would say no. I did not live in the "John Gotti" era so I may be way off base..yet nowadays it seems nobody is safe. The kids nowadays will kill you for what color your clothes are!!!!! I look as if I'm 22-23, and when I travel to certain areas I have to remember to not wear certain colors. How crazy is that. I have a 6 yr old daughter and work a regular 9-5 so I certainly have no intentions to be into street life. It's really scary because even though I pay alot of money to live where I do (near South Orange/Maplewood) section of NJ you still are never safe.

    It's bad when a once beautiful, upper class city like Montclair has gang shootings now on a daily basis and the cops seem to be more concerned about pulling people over for a non working taillight than policing it's streets. But what can ya do?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Chase[/i]@Dec 28 2004, 08:23 PM
    [b]................and the cops seem to be more concerned about pulling people over for a non working taillight than policing it's streets. But what can ya do?[/b][/quote]
    Chase

    Can I ask you an honest question? You've identified yourself as a black male and since I've read and respected your posts in the past I feel I can get an honest assesment from you.

    We're both the same age, both with a daughter , and both seem to be concerned for our city, our kid and their safety. The only difference between us is I am white and happen to be a police officer for a surburban department 2 miles North of Detroit.

    As you can read in your quote, you can see where this is heading.

    I guess my first question is exactly what do you consider 'policing the streets'? Although it's hard to guage voice inflection on a message board, I assume by your comment regarding pulling people over for a non-working taillight you don't consider that part of the 'policing the streets' concept.

    Here's my opinion on your comment. I can easily sit on my ass for 8 hours in my police car and 'police' the streets. Although it's not very proactive, I'm technically 'policing' the streets and attempting to deter crime through my sheer omnipresence. All I can do it hope that I'm in the right place at the right time. That some criminal preparing to committ a crime sees my presence and reconsiders. Sometimes it works, but most of the time people are still getting their houses broken into, still robbing liquor stores and if I'm lucky that night, I'm hopefully close enough to catch them if the civilian witness can get me a decent suspect description immediately, something that doesn't happen much.

    My other option is policing the streets through proactive 'interdiction'. The best chance I have at stopping a crime before it is committed is to be proactive during my patrol and intercept the criminal before he committs a crime. My best opportunity to intercept a criminal: His/Her Vehicle. The criminal needs to get to where he/she is going one way or another and the personal automobile is their favorite way. A person's car can tell me a million things about them. 1st of all, I run license plates like a mad man, which I'm well within my right to do. If I run a plate and the plate is expired, improper or no record, that sends off warning signs right there. I have enough experience that I can tell something just by the way the car looks, the way the license plate is hanging, the maintenance of the car and yes, sometimes even the occupants inside.

    Example - Last month I spot a White man and white woman in an absolutely beat to s**t ford escort. Tailight out. headlight out and improper license plate. Every single alarm in my head was going off saying something about this car was shady. I pull them over for the numerous traffic violations, well within my right, with the full intention of investigating the occupants and immediately see a wad of Chore Boy on the floor giving me even more reason to suspect crime is afoot in this vehicle. (Chore boy is used to smoke crack) After that it was like dominos falling in place. I see the chore boy and ask if there are drugs in the car and get the standard, "Not that I know of" response which 95% of the time means there is dope inside. Before u know it, everything unravels for the occupants. The driver has no license and a $5000 warrant for dope. Another domino falls. As I'm searching him incident to arrest low and behold guess what I find, 4 packets of Heroin, a loaded syringe of heroin and 2 packets of cocaine. The female passenger, had 38 warrants out of Detroit!! Another domino falls. During the inventory search of the car, I discovered 6 packets of heroin in her purse. I had just caught them on their way to shoot up coming back from buying their dope. In other words, through a burnt out taillight and a bad license plate, I had 2 arrests for 10 packets of heroin, 2 packets of Cocaine and a loaded syringe that they later told me they were going to shoot on the side of the road. People drive cars like that because they spend all their money on dope and can't afford anything else. Some may call it profiling which yes, it was to a degree, I call it good police work. My best arrests have come from using similar methods and have come against both white and black occupants. I could have easily let the car go for the simple traffic violations but I didn't and it paid off. It works and I refused to change my methods. I truly believe that a department that has a reputation for that kind of police work brings a lower crime rate to their city because we all know criminals talk.


    The problem we face with this proactive style of policework is the constant charge of 'racial profiling'. I have no doubt pure racial profiling exists in areas of the country, but in the end, racial profiling of that type is ultimately lazy and pathetic police work. To me, racial profiling is pulling someone over for the SHEER fact that they might be a minority which I will be the first to agree is completely wrong. Pulling someone over just because they are a black guy driving through a white town is ridiculous. Does it happen, I bet. Is it utter and lazy police work, hell yes.

    The problem is however, that when I use my experience, the so called sixth sense that I've developed as 3 1/2 years as a police officer, when I see something that immediately catches my attention (like the example I just used), I have a valid reason for a traffic stop, my gut feeling is screaming 'something is not right here' and it's a black person, I am commonly immediately accused of racial profiling. I immediately get accused of DWB even though I have a valid legal reason for my stop. The fact is that despite the fact that I'm using legal means to make a stop, and most importantly, I'm using the same investigatory means against occupants of all races, I immediately am called a racist and have baseless complaints made against me. Now take that and add the fact that my city is 2 miles from the Detroit border, a city that is over 95% black and unfortunately has one of the highest crime rates for a major American city. You can only imagine that being 2 miles away, some of that spills into my city, a predominantly white suburb yet with an ever increasing minority population. It

    The problem now is that some officers now have gotten to the point where they won't pull a black person over because of the current profiling climate in this country. And therein lies the problem: If for whatever reason, a a majority of the criminal element in a geographical location are black, the law abiding citizens, both black and white, get shafted because they now have a police dept. too afraid to do anything, just like Cincinnati last year. Police officers are an easy target. We're immediately guilty when accusations fly and are the media's favorite ***** boys when ratings are low. A great majority of police officers

    Chase, I welcome and am very curious as to your opinion on this matter, and the opinion of other blacks here for that matter. All I ever get to hear are the Jesse Jackson's and the Al Sharpton's who in my belief need things like that to keep themselves employed. I'm very interested to hear from you and those of who are just like me, raising a family, bringing your kids up correctly and trying to do the right thing in all aspects of life.

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    Great post Guns.

    I'm not a police officer but I can understand the importance of traffic stops...you have to check people out and that example you used was great. I watch "COPS" :) on TV alot so I can see where you are getting at. :D

    My main problem with some police in areas where gang activity is increasing is that they know where this stuff is going on...they know about the drugs..and some seem to not give a rats ass. I know you guys can't always stop a crime beforehand..but when there are known gang areas you hardly ever see police activity, almost as if it's accepted.

    I once asked this kid who may have been all of 19 why he became a blood. I was actually in a grocery store and he was by himself and I had seen this kid before downtown Newark a couple of times. I was very cordial to him and simply asked (hey man why are you doing this?). His response shocked the hell out of me. He told me that it is safer for him to get with the guys that approached him than not to join...because they either assume you will get approached by the Crips or Kings...and he actually said he was scared for his life. He actually is a college student @ Rutgers if you can believe that.

    This is the type of thing that makes me very Angry with the police department, when kids are afraid of the gangs and don't feel safe. However I have met many good police officers through my life, and don't believe in the theory that cops are out to get minorities bs. People see policemen and woman as a seperate entity, when in reality they are human beings like the rest of us. Yes I have been racially profiled, yet the reality is there are racist people in all aspects of life. I don't look at cops as seperate from society, you have good people and bad people. I hate the Al Sharpton's of the world who basically use reverse racism to try to make a point. All white people are not bad and racist, and for that matter Middle Eastern people are not either.

    Cops have impossible jobs at times...if you are late to a crime that has been committed then you in the view of the victim are not doing your job. I can understand that sentiment by the victim in a way...however it's the COMMUNITY as a whole combined with police work that help neutralize and bring stability to an area in my opinion. The police that don't seem to care and are just doing a job need to go, Period. The ones that actually care and hear the communties complaints are the ones that should stay. I know this may not be possible to achieve but it has to start somewhere.

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    Great post and excellent points Chase.

    Just like every job in America, Police Departments have those people who show up to collect a paycheck and could care less about what happens. (Trust me I work with plenty) Honestly though, I think those numbers are low and for the most part, most officers care. I think that at times, this is just a personal opinion though, when some 'areas of town' seem to have been given up on by the PD, the aforementioned fear of being called a profiler or racist plays into some officers fears and they take the easy way out. They stop caring because they'd rather do nothing then risk getting in trouble or losing their jobs. That is an area where both the officer and community have to step up. The officer can't lose sight of his job and the community can't lose sight of supporting their officer.

    You hit the nail on the head though. When it all boils down to it, albeit a corny statement, the community ultimately plays the major role with the PD there to support them. The community are the eyes and ears of the PD when it really comes down to it. Once the people of an area decide to face the demons and clean things up, it's up to the PD to help make it happen. Obviously it's a 2 way street. The community has to feel it has the support of the PD as well.

    Until both sides can trust each other and feel comfortable about each other's support, there will always be an unsettling feeling between the 2, which is sad.


    Thanks for your opinion though Chase, it was an excellent read.

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    I think the relentless attacks on law enforcement over the years, by too many members of the so-called civil rights establishment, has taken it's toll on cops and caused a chilling effect ... to the point they no-longer feel their jobs are safe if they police the heavily populated minority areas in the inner-cities in ways they know to be effective ... and that mentality also increases the cops chances of getting smoked in a confrontation ... so in many ways they now choose to avoid both the dangers and the headaches {who in his right mind wants to wind up on the 6:00 news being called a racist?} .... let's face it, that's the modern day equivilent of wearing the scarlett letter, and thankfully so, but because it carries such an extreme stigma it should absolutely be used with caution and only in the most obvious of cases where racism was clearly a factor ... and that does not mean an occasional shooting of some street thug who was in the act of committing a crime ... it means where there was a clear intent to shoot a minority simply for being a minority, and with no extenuating circumstances whatsoever ... you also need to make allowances for the occasional accidental shooting of an innocent bystander, TRAGIC AS IT IS, cause just like in war there is bound to be colateral damage on occasion ... AGAIN, TRAGIC AS THAT OBVIOUSLY IS

    In other words, it cannot automatically be assumed that a cop is a racist each time a legit accident occurs ... these accidents, tragic as they are, are bound to happen on occasion when one polices the most dangerous areas where shootouts are not exactly rare ... you can teach caution from now until the cows come home, and they do, and they should, as to minimize the tragedies as much as is humanly possible ... but at the end of the day we are never going to totally eliminate them

    When they happen the officer needs to be given the benifit of the doubt ... we cannot automatically brand that man a vicious KILLER/RACIST for the rest of his life ... it's not fair ... if the facts bear that out following an investigation, then he should be prosecuted to the enth degree ... I'm sure any honest cop feels the same, cause these types of THUGS IN UNIFORMS give them all a bad name ... but until the facts bear out such evil intentions, it should never be automatically assumed there was racism at play when a tragic accident occurs ... THIS IS WHAT CAUSES THE CHILLING EFFECT

    And who suffers when that happens?

    Certainly not the street thug ... the street thug celebrates when a cop is taken down ... and he lives for the day when the cops have been demoralized to the point of failing to police his community at all, for fear of the above ... cause only then is the street thug truly free to conduct his reign of terror on those neighborhoods without a genuine fear of being caught ... when the cops stop policing the hoods ALL OUT, then the odds are in the street thugs favor

    So who really gets hurt when this happens?

    The average citizen in those communitites who is just trying to work hard, play by the rules, and raise a family ... my heart literally bleeds for these folks cause they deserve so much better ... they at least deserve to feel safe and to the greatest extent possible, be safe ... it literally breaks my heart that these DECENT HUMAN-BEINGS are made to live in fear

    But I'll tell you folks this much, and from the bottom of my heart ... at some point you will need to speak-up and challenge some of your so-called leaders ... I speak of the demogogues who wish to pit the police against the average minority citizen, and will use the most extreme rethoric to play on your emotions ... cause in the end it is only "YOU" {Joe and Jane Citizen} in those neighborhoods who are the BIG LOSERS in this game

    Not Jessie or Al who live in gated communities ... BUT YOU

    This tactic is making your neighborhoods LESS SAFE and not MORE SAFE in the end ... when they cause a chilling effect amongst the police they are literally endangering the lives of those who need police protection the most {or at least a strong police presense in their hoods}, the decent folks who are surrounded by these ruthless thugs

    How do I know this to be true?

    Cause I was raised in the inner-city {Alphabet City} and I know who suffers the most at the hands of the thugs ... and I know the majority of the folks living in those communities are decent people who play by the rules ... and I know these people deserve so much better in terms of protection ... and it saddens me that a few demogogues have led them so astray, and thus in many ways has left them to the mercy of the MOST MERCILESS

    PS. For the record, Chase is my poster child for the folks who deserve so much better ... obviously a decent father who is simply trying to raise his children in this crazy world ... this man deserves every ounce of our support ... yet sadly it is this man and his family who suffer the most from this little game the demogogues like to play ... and yes, that does break my heart cause I've known a million Chase's

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