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    ESPN.com reporting Carter going to the Nets for Mourning, Eric and Arron Williams.

    Carter to Nets

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    :lol: this has to be the stupidest move the Nets could ever make

    when your in the EASTERN conference, you dont trade a good center for a shooting guard/forward :lol:

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    if it was the mourning of 5 years ago, maybe i'd agree, but he's damaged goods, who can only play 25 minutes a night.

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    Originally posted by OneEyedWonder@Dec 17 2004, 02:53 PM
    if it was the mourning of 5 years ago, maybe i'd agree, but he's damaged goods, who can only play 25 minutes a night.
    he still pulls down 10 boards a game

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    Originally posted by blackout806@Dec 17 2004, 02:45 PM
    :lol: this has to be the stupidest move the Nets could ever make

    when your in the EASTERN conference, you dont trade a good center for a shooting guard/forward :lol:
    Ummm no offense but are you high?

    Alonzo is washed up,Aaron Williman is how old? Eric Wilimas is trash too.

    # thirty yr old for cater? ill take it.

    Im not thrilled about the extra 2 1st round picks.

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    Nets had to make this deal. Their front court is a little weak, but who cares they have three studs now. Don't be surprised if Toronto buys Mourning out and he winds up coming back.

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    Originally posted by Smizzy+Dec 17 2004, 04:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Smizzy &#064; Dec 17 2004, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-blackout806@Dec 17 2004, 02:45 PM
    :lol: this has to be the stupidest move the Nets could ever make

    when your in the EASTERN conference, you dont trade a good center for a shooting guard/forward :lol:
    Ummm no offense but are you high?

    Alonzo is washed up,Aaron Williman is how old? Eric Wilimas is trash too.

    # thirty yr old for cater? ill take it.

    Im not thrilled about the extra 2 1st round picks. [/b][/quote]
    5 players (2 high draft picks) for 1 washed up forward?

    Carter might not even finish the season, he&#39;s in the same boat as Zo except that a good forward is easier to find than a good center

    one draftpick is a top 3, one is at the worst a top 8, you mean to tell me the Nets couldn&#39;t find someone younger who can put up the wopping 15.9 PPG that Vincanity has?


    the Knicks aren&#39;t the only ones in the NY/NJ area who make bonehead trades

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    Originally posted by blackout806@Dec 17 2004, 04:37 PM

    one draftpick is a top 3, one is at the worst a top 8
    Where are you getting that? One of the picks is from Philly and the other is from Denver. I could be wrong though.

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    This is a good move. They got a guy who take take over a game and gave up NOTHING.

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    Originally posted by Chrisrud+Dec 17 2004, 04:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chrisrud @ Dec 17 2004, 04:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-blackout806@Dec 17 2004, 04:37 PM

    one draftpick is a top 3, one is at the worst a top 8
    Where are you getting that? One of the picks is from Philly and the other is from Denver. I could be wrong though. [/b][/quote]
    Steven A Smith on ESPNEWS

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    Originally posted by blackout806+Dec 17 2004, 10:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (blackout806 @ Dec 17 2004, 10:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
    Originally posted by Chrisrud@Dec 17 2004, 04:43 PM
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    @Dec 17 2004, 04:37 PM

    one draftpick is a top 3, one is at the worst a top 8

    Where are you getting that? One of the picks is from Philly and the other is from Denver. I could be wrong though.
    Steven A Smith on ESPNEWS [/b][/quote]
    Smith is a boob. He may be the worst guy on all of TV. The Nets picks from Philly are protected picks. If the 76ers get a top 8 pick the pick goes to Philly and cant be used by the Nets until 2006 in which case it reverts to the Sixers if they finish with a top 5 pick and is then unprotected in 2007 meaning anywhere they can use the pick. However the Nets have no right to choose when to use the pick, meaning if the Sixers were to win the NBA title the Nets would pick last. The Nuggets pick does not kick in until 2006 unless they finish top 5 in the draft. In 2007 it is unprotected except for top 2. The Clippers is protected 1-14 in 2005 and unprotected in 2006. Even if they gave up all three of these picks the odds are the Sixers pick may be between 8-12, the Denver will not be top 20, and the Clippers pick could be anywhere, probably the highest being top 10 unless they do great in the lottery and sneak in a big pick. That is the only pick of the three that is a gamble and Im not sure if the Nets traded that one or not.

    And dont spin the idea that Zo is a good center anymore. Hes a malcontent, like Carter, with all kind of ailments who has basically begged to be traded out of NJ to play for a winner. He expected Jersey to buy out his contract for something like 12 million dollars so he could go play elsewhere. Right now he is out of action with some problems and with his kidney could be gone at any time. He also has an uninsured contract. He shoots about 45%, averaging 10 points and 7 boards a game on a team that has nobody that can score. On a good team Zo is a servicable backup that will probably be a 8 point 6 rebound guy. He still has great presence when it comes to blocking shots. Hes a great fit for a team making a run at the title. Something like a San Antonio or Miami. Hes a terrible fit where he has to be counted on to be a starter and main piece of making the playoffs.

    With Kidd back Zo is also a horrible fit for a team looking to run and the development of Kristic made the A-Train expendable. Carter and Jefferson winging Kidd on the break with Scalabrine posting the (very) small outside threat on the break is far superior to Kidd with Jefferson and Eric Williams with a lumbering Alonzo and Collins trailing.

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    Originally posted by Jason423+Dec 18 2004, 09:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jason423 @ Dec 18 2004, 09:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
    Originally posted by blackout806@Dec 17 2004, 10:19 PM
    Originally posted by Chrisrud@Dec 17 2004, 04:43 PM
    <!--QuoteBegin-blackout806
    @Dec 17 2004, 04:37 PM

    one draftpick is a top 3, one is at the worst a top 8

    Where are you getting that? One of the picks is from Philly and the other is from Denver. I could be wrong though.

    Steven A Smith on ESPNEWS
    Smith is a boob. He may be the worst guy on all of TV. The Nets picks from Philly are protected picks. If the 76ers get a top 8 pick the pick goes to Philly and cant be used by the Nets until 2006 in which case it reverts to the Sixers if they finish with a top 5 pick and is then unprotected in 2007 meaning anywhere they can use the pick. However the Nets have no right to choose when to use the pick, meaning if the Sixers were to win the NBA title the Nets would pick last. The Nuggets pick does not kick in until 2006 unless they finish top 5 in the draft. In 2007 it is unprotected except for top 2. The Clippers is protected 1-14 in 2005 and unprotected in 2006. Even if they gave up all three of these picks the odds are the Sixers pick may be between 8-12, the Denver will not be top 20, and the Clippers pick could be anywhere, probably the highest being top 10 unless they do great in the lottery and sneak in a big pick. That is the only pick of the three that is a gamble and Im not sure if the Nets traded that one or not.

    And dont spin the idea that Zo is a good center anymore. Hes a malcontent, like Carter, with all kind of ailments who has basically begged to be traded out of NJ to play for a winner. He expected Jersey to buy out his contract for something like 12 million dollars so he could go play elsewhere. Right now he is out of action with some problems and with his kidney could be gone at any time. He also has an uninsured contract. He shoots about 45%, averaging 10 points and 7 boards a game on a team that has nobody that can score. On a good team Zo is a servicable backup that will probably be a 8 point 6 rebound guy. He still has great presence when it comes to blocking shots. Hes a great fit for a team making a run at the title. Something like a San Antonio or Miami. Hes a terrible fit where he has to be counted on to be a starter and main piece of making the playoffs.

    With Kidd back Zo is also a horrible fit for a team looking to run and the development of Kristic made the A-Train expendable. Carter and Jefferson winging Kidd on the break with Scalabrine posting the (very) small outside threat on the break is far superior to Kidd with Jefferson and Eric Williams with a lumbering Alonzo and Collins trailing. [/b][/quote]
    those 2 picks were from Denver, in compensation for signing K-Mart

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    Originally posted by blackout806@Dec 18 2004, 01:36 PM

    those 2 picks were from Denver, in compensation for signing K-Mart
    Right meaning one is from Denver and one is traded via Denver through the other teams, all of which are protected from being high picks for the most part.

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    I understand that 1 pick traded was Denver&#39;s own pick, the other was one they acquired from philly. However, I think there is a chance that Philly&#39;s pick may not be used for a coupl e of seasons, and could be at worst a top 10. This is a nice range to draft in.

    But, The Toronto GM is an idiot, as he brought back nothing for his team for Carter, and still has Rose around. He should have either gotten the #1 and Rahim from the Blazers, where Rahim&#39;s contract expires at season&#39;s end, or the Knick deal with Tim Thomas and Penny, where he gets 2 contracts that expire after next season, and saves the remaing money on Rose and Carter&#39;s pacts. Total savings - &#036;60 million.

    Instead, he gets a serviceable Eric Williams, a useless piece in Aaron Williams, and a zero in Mourning. And the 2 picks may not be his for up to 3 more drafts????

    Bottom line - a steal for the Nets. They kept Kidd and Jefferson, and added a useful piece to the offensive puzzle. Sure, they will be hurt on the boards, and in the post. But they are more offensively capable now, and this will mena they are an improved team.

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    Originally posted by mbn007@Dec 20 2004, 01:07 PM
    I understand that 1 pick traded was Denver&#39;s own pick, the other was one they acquired from philly. However, I think there is a chance that Philly&#39;s pick may not be used for a coupl e of seasons, and could be at worst a top 10. This is a nice range to draft in.
    If the NBA Season ended today and the lottery just fell into place the Raptors would get the 11th pick in the draft and the 17th pick in the draft. If the Sixers make the playoffs this year the best the Raptors could do is the 15th pick which would be used in next seasons draft. For Toronto to get a top 10 pick they need Philly to just be on the cusp of the playoffs like they are now and not tank the season to get a high pick and probably win like 38 games. The absolute worst case scenario for Toronto would be if the Sixers go out and win the Atlantic which would probably be at best a number 20 pick which they would have no choice but to take.

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    Originally posted by Jason423+Dec 20 2004, 05:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jason423 @ Dec 20 2004, 05:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-mbn007@Dec 20 2004, 01:07 PM
    I understand that 1 pick traded was Denver&#39;s own pick, the other was one they acquired from philly. However, I think there is a chance that Philly&#39;s pick may not be used for a coupl e of seasons, and could be at worst a top 10. This is a nice range to draft in.
    If the NBA Season ended today and the lottery just fell into place the Raptors would get the 11th pick in the draft and the 17th pick in the draft. If the Sixers make the playoffs this year the best the Raptors could do is the 15th pick which would be used in next seasons draft. For Toronto to get a top 10 pick they need Philly to just be on the cusp of the playoffs like they are now and not tank the season to get a high pick and probably win like 38 games. The absolute worst case scenario for Toronto would be if the Sixers go out and win the Atlantic which would probably be at best a number 20 pick which they would have no choice but to take. [/b][/quote]
    Not really. If Philly misses the playoffs this season ( I think they will finish behind the Knicks and Nets), then they are probably in the lottery. If so, there is a better then even chance that the pick is not one of the top 8, which means that it&#39;s not protected. You have to figure that the following teams will be high lottery picks:

    Atlanta
    Golden State
    Charlotte
    New Orleans
    Bulls
    Bucks.

    That&#39;s 6that will probably be at the bottom of the standings. Teams on the edge include the Portlands, Memphis, Clippers, as well as the Celtics, Raptors, and the pick is likely to be between 9-12.

    So, the Raptors may yet get a nice draft pick out of this. The Nuggets pick should be in the high teens, or very low 20&#39;s. STill, a nice pick, but probably not a superstar.

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