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    [quote][b]Powell Defends U.S. Disaster Aid

    Tuesday, December 28, 2004

    WASHINGTON Defending the United States against criticism that it was "stingy" with its humanitarian aid, Secretary of State Colin Powell (search) said Tuesday America "will do more" to help the victims of the tragic tsunamis in Asia and Africa.

    "It will take time to see what the needs of these nations are and how best to help them," Powell said Tuesday on FOX. "This is an unprecedented catastrophe."

    Initially, the U.S. government pledged $15 million and dispatched disaster specialists to help the Asian nations devastated by the catastrophe. Tens of thousands of people have been killed in the tsunamis and earthquake in parts of India, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Maldives and other countries.

    The government said it would give $4 million at first to the Red Cross and related organizations and another $10 million to other disaster relief groups.

    On Monday, President Bush had already sent letters of condolence to several different countries affected by the disaster.

    [u][b]But Jan Egeland (search), the U.N. humanitarian aid chief, has accused America of being cheap with its funding for the catastrophe.

    "It is beyond me why we are so stingy, really," Egeland said at a Monday press conference.[/b][/u]

    Powell made the morning news show rounds Tuesday and said that he regretted Egeland's statements.

    "The United States has given more aid in the last four years than any other nation or combination of nations in the world," Powell told the Associated Press. "This is indeed an international tragedy, and we are going to do everything we can."

    The secretary said that at least 12 Americans have died in the disaster and "hundreds" are unaccounted for.

    Still, Egeland said America should do more.

    "We were more generous when we were less rich," Egeland told reporters Monday. "Even Christmastime should remind many Western countries at least how rich we have become."

    Powell explained Tuesday on FOX News that different countries impacted by the tragedy had different needs according to their economic situations and governments.

    "Some are better able to manage the problem without outside assistance, and other nations are not as equipped to deal with the problem," he told FOX Tuesday. "They will need more assistance.

    "Sri Lanka, for example, will need a lot more help than India, which is a more sophisticated nation, able to manage a great deal of its own relief effort," Powell said.

    Powell made condolence telephone calls and offered American assistance to the foreign ministers of Thailand, the Maldives, Sri Lanka, India, Indonesia and Malaysia.

    From his ranch in Crawford, Texas, on Monday, Bush sent letters of condolence to the leaders of the seven countries wracked by the disaster.

    "This is a terrible tragedy," White House spokesman Trent Duffy said. "There is a significant loss of life. And our thoughts and prayers are with all those who are suffering."

    American ambassadors released $100,000 each to India, Indonesia, the Maldives and Sri Lanka.

    Supplies of shelter, food and water cans on reserve in the Philippines and Dubai will also be distributed, according to Ed Fox, assistant administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development.

    Millions of people who were driven from their homes or hotels will need shelter, food and clothing, he added. The initial $15 million U.S. contribution was issued while surveys were conducted, Fox said.

    The Australian government pledged about $7.6 million in immediate aid.

    A spokesman at U.S. Pacific Command in Hawaii said Monday that in addition to three Navy P-3 Orion surveillance planes sent to Thailand, the military also is loading five or six Air Force C-130 cargo planes with tents, clothing, food and other humanitarian items for delivery to Thailand.

    Pacific Command spokesman Lt. Col. William Bigelow said he wasn't authorized to identify the three countries, but other government officials said they were Sri Lanka, Indonesia and Thailand.

    Pacific Command also is assembling small assessment teams that will be dispatched to three countries in the region to assess how U.S. military resources can best be applied in those countries.

    The U.S. Navy said it sent three P-3 surveillance aircraft from Kadena air base on the Japanese island of Okinawa to Utaphao, Thailand, to conduct survey operations, and possibly help with search-and-rescue efforts.

    The Navy said it had no reports of damage to any of its ships or bases in the region.

    And James D. Wolfensohn, president of the World Bank, said bank teams were discussing potential assistance with the governments of the countries that suffered losses.

    On Sunday, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, Rodrigo de Rato, said the Fund "stands ready to do its part to assist these nations with appropriate support in their time of need."

    Powell encouraged donations, and suggested checking the State Department Web site for ways to help.

    "We have to make sure we send people what they really need and not just flood them with things they don't need," said Powell[/b][/quote]

    And Egeland also made comments, reported widely on radio today, that "if only the U.S. had higher taxes, we wouldn;t be so stingy when it came to helping out other nations".

    This is dispicable, plain and simple. The evil, corrupt and self-serving United Nations does not deserve a penny of U.S. support, and should be removed from our shores. Everything they touch, they fail at or corrupt or worse.

    .....and they have the gaul to make such comments about us, the most generous nation in the history of Mankind? The nation that ALWAYS rises to help out the less fortunate, the victims of tragedy, in our world?

    The same U.N. that has ignored numerous horrid acts of genocide over the past decade, has failed in every humanitarian effort they have launched, the same U.N. trying to control the world with their socialist adgenda, their love of dictators and scoundrels and their embracing of corruption and evil??

    Instead of doing what they should be right now, which is helping the poor victims of this horrible event, the U.N. thinks the best course is to attack the U.S. for it's stingyness......

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    I don't recall a massive UN led, international coalition to help Florida during 4 hurricanes.

    I don't recall a massive UN led, international coalition during the SF Earthquake, massive California brushfires, massive mississippi valley flooding and every other massive natural disaster over the past 20 years.

    F The UN. They are useless. It's time we pull out of the UN once and for all.

    Kick their asses out, raze the site, and build the new Jets stadium there.

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    It is not the US governments place, or any governments place to give money to other countries!! IF anything, it should be left up to the citizens of a country to donate money. The fact that some one would call even a $1 donation to another country is obsurd!! Having highrt taxes?? Give me a f'in break! This pisses me off!! Call me what you will but as a country, it is NOT our place to bail the world out. That is not the design nor function of government!

    This is so offensive, I can not even articulate it properly!

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    God forbid the UN might donate some of the money it skimmed off the Iraqi oil deal....

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    His comments were posted last night as was his e-mail address (egeland@un.org ). Sooooo I sent 'ol Jan the following e-mail entitled "America Stingy?":

    [quote][b]Hey Jan...maybe you can go take a collection from the corrupt UN and the dirtbags skimming money off the food-for-oil program which deprived many in Iraq of basic human services.....or maybe you can ask muslim countries to ante up and help their brothers in need...or maybe you can tell those cheap bastards in Europe to give their due.....until then shut up![/b][/quote]


    (The reason for the Europe comment was the EU proudly stated they were donating $4-mill).

    To his credit he replied with the following:

    [quote][b]I never called US stingy. I asked the rich world to give more than their present 0,2 percent of national income to foreign assistance. Cnn misquoted me and have since corrected this.
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    Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld[/b][/quote]


    First I laughed as he sent it from his blackberry and me, coming from a "rich nation" cannot afford a blackberry (probably can but just don't want one).

    I then sent him a copy of his statement from above and asked how exactly he was misquoted...have not heard back and doubt I will.

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    More evidence, as if we needed it, that the UN should be evicted from their HQ in NYC and told to f__k off. UN bureaucrat Jan "I like it up the a$$" Egeland has accused the US of being stingy in aid to the Asian countries hit by the Tsunami. Never mind the fact that the US has already given more than the rest of the world combined. It's the UN's job to criticize the US for each and every crisis on earth even if they had nothing to do with it. It won't be long before some fringe scientist postulates a study through the UN that says Halliburton was behind the Tsunami or maybe SUV's, which of course lays the blame squarely where it belongs, on Republicans.

    Keep in mind that these countries that were hit by the Tsunami are largely Muslim, which means that they are at least implicitly hostile to us. We give because we are a compassionate, civilized Christian nation. Also keep in mind that most of these nations are barbaric and corrupt to the core. Significant chunks of this money will never get to the people that need it most. The oil rich Muslim nations will give their usual double doughnut to any aid effort that does not involve killing innocent Christians and Jews. As for Jan "I like it up the a$$" Egeland, he's from Norway. Where would the world be without the international leadership of the Norwegians? Think about what you life would be like without Norway? Exactly. It would be no different unless you specialized in teaching history courses dealing with the most barbaric people known to recent man, the Vikings.

    I have a recurring dream where I turn on the TV and the president gets on CNN worldwide to announce that the US is officially closing it's wallet to any nation that is ungrateful for our benevolence, in other words all nations. The President would then announce that all foreigners will be shot on sight after which the borders would be sealed and the rest of the world can go f__k itself.

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    I thought it was common knowledge that 99.99999% of these post-disaster relief organization were absolute shams. Good for the US for holding back a bit and not throwing money into the ****ter again in the name of looking like everybody's big brother. It's just too bad for Bush that he can't figure out how to get a tidal wave into Iraq without corrupting the oil deposits. :lol:

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    What kills me is that they don't appear to consider the cost of the support personnel and military that we provide to all these countries in crisis. Who pays these people... oh yeah the Cheap Americans.

    Hell, I read that there are 6 ships headed to the area for command/control support. Does any one have a clue what it costs to operate just one of these ships a day?

    We will be well into a $billion in aid as a country by the end of January. Watch.

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    Don't forget that two summers ago 15,000 elderly French citizens died alone in their non-air conditioned, government-subsidized apartments during a heat wave, totally ignored by their children, who couldn't be bothered to come back from the beaches during their vacations, and that the government itself responded too late to ensure that hospitals were adequately staffed (doctors and nurses take vacations in August) which created a morbidly awful scene of elderly people dying in hospitals that were understaffed.

    This kind of big-government, inefficient, beauracratic sloth has actual human costs, beyond the higher taxes, retarded economic growth, and high unemployment. The UN is corrupt and inefficient partly due to human weakness, but a lot of it is the sheer size of the organization, and the many different consituencies that make it up, all having different agendas. The US Government and the UN are not monoliths, working in concert all the time. They are each essentially a composite of many different "offices" or departments, all with an ostensibly synergistic goal, but basically, each department has a large staff, office buildings, costs, salaries, margins, and other real-life business-oriented things to consider that factor into their work and rhetoric, etc. All of them exist mainly to further their own existence, because they are part of the establishment. And so they whine about needing more money, or they pay for "studies" that reach conclusions that are likely used to pressure politicians into giving them more money. When threatened with cuts of layoffs, they whine about the need for higher taxes or cleaner water or any other self-righteous cause, or comission another "study" by some loosely-affiliated "think tank." But it's all a grab-bag...all of it, and YOU and I pay for their malfeascence, sloth, ineptitude, inefficiency and graft.

    I knew someone would blame Bush for this, I friggin knew it. "If only we had higher taxes..." what a joke. We give more in international aid than the rest of the world combined, and that is just the public sector. Our private charitable giving exceeds even that lofty amount. People want us to be the Benevolent Superpower, and like it that they essentially have a rich set of parents to go to when times get tough, only to turn around the rest of the time and lament our power when we use to further our own interests and gain cheap, domestic political fortune by reflexively spouting tired anti-American cliches, never stopping to think about the fact that it is our free markets, our corporations, our economic freedom of choice, and yes, our strong religious background that all combines to give us superb economic growth, which creates the wealth necessary to fund all of the giving that our faithful citizens engage in every year - dwarfing the contributions of the very people who so easily dismiss us as war-mongers or god-heads.

    I am sick and tired of it, I really am.

    Good post Fisher.

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    As I'm watching the news last night (ABC) they had the audacity to compare the 35M the US has so far given to the 11B we used to aid Fla hurricane victims. There is no doubt we should do whatever we can to help these people, but so far the US aid makes up over 1/3 of all the aid and I'm sure we're not done yet and thats only the govt aid. I would bet my bottom dollar that most private aid will come from the US as well. And perhaps the aid which went to Fla was due to the fact that we dont receive aid from other countries, therefore we must rely on our own. GEEZ!

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by sect112row36[/i]@Dec 29 2004, 09:09 AM
    [b] As I'm watching the news last night (ABC) they had the audacity to compare the 35M the US has so far given to the 11B we used to aid Fla hurricane victims. There is no doubt we should do whatever we can to help these people, but so far the US aid makes up over 1/3 of all the aid and I'm sure we're not done yet and thats only the govt aid. I would bet my bottom dollar that most private aid will come from the US as well. And perhaps the aid which went to Fla was due to the fact that we dont receive aid from other countries, therefore we must rely on our own. GEEZ! [/b][/quote]
    The US Government exists TO SERVE ITS CITIZENS! Of course if we have money for aid it should help OUR CITIZENS THE MOST, ITS THEIR FRIGGIN MONEY! God, I can't stand this agenda driven BS!

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    Not sure what everyone is getting upset about.

    The Mighty EU has donated a whopping 4M, $136,000 of that coming from France. :blink:

    Another occasion to say "f**k Europe"

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by The Gun Of Bavaria[/i]@Dec 29 2004, 01:56 PM
    [b] Not sure what everyone is getting upset about.

    The Mighty EU has donated a whopping 4M, $136,000 of that coming from France. :blink:

    Another occasion to say "f**k Europe" [/b][/quote]
    F*ck the Frogs!!!!

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by The Gun Of Bavaria[/i]@Dec 29 2004, 12:56 PM
    [b] Not sure what everyone is getting upset about.

    The Mighty EU has donated a whopping 4M, $136,000 of that coming from France. :blink:

    Another occasion to say "f**k Europe" [/b][/quote]
    One more reason to hate most of Europe.....

    CNN just listed the leading donar countries and what they have pledged.

    Of course America is leading the pack @$35-mill. Japan, Australia and England have all pledged significant amounts as you'd expect.

    The top muslim country? Saudi's at $10-mill.

    The top non-England EU country??? Germany @ a whopping $2.7 mill.

    No other muslim nation of european nation was on the list...the frogs?? nowhere to be found.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY+Dec 29 2004, 04:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Come Back to NY @ Dec 29 2004, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-The Gun Of Bavaria[/i]@Dec 29 2004, 12:56 PM
    [b] Not sure what everyone is getting upset about.

    The Mighty EU has donated a whopping 4M, &#036;136,000 of that coming from France. :blink:

    Another occasion to say "f**k Europe" [/b][/quote]
    One more reason to hate most of Europe.....

    CNN just listed the leading donar countries and what they have pledged.

    Of course America is leading the pack @&#036;35-mill. Japan, Australia and England have all pledged significant amounts as you&#39;d expect.

    The top muslim country? Saudi&#39;s at &#036;10-mill.

    The top non-England EU country??? Germany @ a whopping &#036;2.7 mill.

    No other muslim nation of european nation was on the list...the frogs?? nowhere to be found. [/b][/quote]
    could you post a link?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by sect112row36+Dec 29 2004, 04:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (sect112row36 @ Dec 29 2004, 04:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by Come Back to NY@Dec 29 2004, 04:12 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-The Gun Of Bavaria[/i]@Dec 29 2004, 12:56 PM
    [b] Not sure what everyone is getting upset about.

    The Mighty EU has donated a whopping 4M, &#036;136,000 of that coming from France. :blink:

    Another occasion to say "f**k Europe" [/b][/quote]
    One more reason to hate most of Europe.....

    CNN just listed the leading donar countries and what they have pledged.

    Of course America is leading the pack @&#036;35-mill. Japan, Australia and England have all pledged significant amounts as you&#39;d expect.

    The top muslim country? Saudi&#39;s at &#036;10-mill.

    The top non-England EU country??? Germany @ a whopping &#036;2.7 mill.

    No other muslim nation of european nation was on the list...the frogs?? nowhere to be found. [/b][/quote]
    could you post a link? [/b][/quote]
    I saw it on their cable news station about two minutes before my post....had I read it I would&#39;ve put the link or if I see it posted I&#39;ll link.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY+Dec 29 2004, 09:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Come Back to NY &#064; Dec 29 2004, 09:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by sect112row36@Dec 29 2004, 04:48 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by Come Back to NY@Dec 29 2004, 04:12 PM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-The Gun Of Bavaria[/i]@Dec 29 2004, 12:56 PM
    [b] Not sure what everyone is getting upset about.

    The Mighty EU has donated a whopping 4M, &#036;136,000 of that coming from France. :blink:

    Another occasion to say "f**k Europe" [/b][/quote]
    One more reason to hate most of Europe.....

    CNN just listed the leading donar countries and what they have pledged.

    Of course America is leading the pack @&#036;35-mill. Japan, Australia and England have all pledged significant amounts as you&#39;d expect.

    The top muslim country? Saudi&#39;s at &#036;10-mill.

    The top non-England EU country??? Germany @ a whopping &#036;2.7 mill.

    No other muslim nation of european nation was on the list...the frogs?? nowhere to be found. [/b][/quote]
    could you post a link? [/b][/quote]
    I saw it on their cable news station about two minutes before my post....had I read it I would&#39;ve put the link or if I see it posted I&#39;ll link. [/b][/quote]
    Found this for you: [url=http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/110433536336.htm]http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/1...10433536336.htm[/url]

    In some cases you will have to do the math yourself but the multiplying factors are on the bottom of the page.

    New liberal, er socialist goverment of Spain- &#036;730K

    The frogs.....a paltry &#036;73K&#33;

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