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    Scarborough Country had guests discussing whether the tsunami was god's anger or revenge-- punishment for sins. Seems some of the religious right and Muslims believe this. The atheist on the show (Ellen Johnson) said how can a loving god allow this to happen or not help, answer being there is no god...it is all on us to help each other and also ridiculous to say that it is punishment for sin. Rabbi Shmuley Boteach seemed to be saying that god made it happen or didn't help and we should "challenge" god; god shouldn't punish innocents.

    Pat Robertson said it was just a natural disaster. Another interesting thing he said...that he is hearing stories from the Muslim world of people who are dreaming about a man in white talking about salvation and he is interpreting this as Jesus coming to Muslims and that there will be some conversions to Christianity.

    What say you?

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    Oh Please.

    I guess in their conversations with God, they couldnt use their power of persuasion to calm him down.

    Tsunami was result of plate tectonics.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by R. Tyme[/i]@Jan 6 2005, 03:56 AM
    [b] What say you? [/b][/quote]
    I say watch closely to see if these types of disasters continue

    Wars and rumors of war ... disease and pestilence ... famine .. natural disaters ... etc.

    Look for an increased vibe of evil you can sense {as in a large scale rejection of the old paradigm built on faith and adherance to GOD's word, replaced by the new paradigm of humanism, hedonism, and nihilism}

    Look for families to be divided on this question {old paradigm verses new} such as families had never been divided before ... ... on an increasingly noticable scale

    Look for the mocking of GOD to increase and not decrease. Look for it to become more belligerent and defiant {even hostile or worse}, especially amongst the powerful, while at the same time others clinging to GOD like they had never done before {or an increased number of conversions}

    Look for great miracles to occur in the church as in biblical times as well ... dreams and visions are also a precursor ... but in the last days, prior to the tribulation, GOD will pour out his spirit into the whole world so that no man can deny he was warned ... for this I would watch communist nations like China for example, as we've already witnessed the falling of the iron curtain {and freedom of worship begin to blossom} in eastern europe and the baltics ... though in nations like China you may witness a defiance of the state as the people worship in spite of the penalties they may face

    When you see all of these things occuring simultaniously, and noticably increasing, the end of the age is near ... no man knows the day or the hour, but the end of the age is near ... many will be decieved in those days ... I can only caution you {my dear friend} not to be one of them

    Believe it or not I have never reflected on these things in my life as I have since 9/11 ... that event marked a turning point for me ... I began to reflect more and more ... prior to that I was what one would have termed a "casual catholic" ... I believed in GOD and his son Jesus Christ, but that's pretty much where it ended ... never really gave it much thought beyond that ... it is only since 9/11 that I began to reflect on much of what I had learned as a child, passages in scripture and what have you, and began to see a world forming around me with which I was familiar

    Anyway, that's what I say ... for whatever it's worth

    PS. All of this strife in the holy land {i.e. middle east} is eerily biblical

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    The Apocalypse.

    Whenever there is political unrest or natural disasters, the big ending is brought up historically. The more things change, the more they stay the same?

    The religious will say the end is near due to our 'sins'

    The atheists will say we brought about our own ending.

    The environmentalists will say we ignored warnings.

    Who are today's prophets?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by R. Tyme[/i]@Jan 6 2005, 11:16 AM
    [b] Who are today's prophets? [/b][/quote]
    [i]The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls ... tenament halls ... they stir the sound, of silence[/i]

    :D

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Green Jets & Ham+Jan 6 2005, 11:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Green Jets & Ham @ Jan 6 2005, 11:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-R. Tyme[/i]@Jan 6 2005, 11:16 AM
    [b] Who are today&#39;s prophets? [/b][/quote]
    [i]The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls ... tenament halls ... they stir the sound, of silence[/i]

    :D [/b][/quote]
    famous wall graffiti writing:

    [color=purple][i]"God is dead" - Nietzsche
    "Nietzsche is dead" - God[/i][/color]

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by R. Tyme+Jan 6 2005, 12:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (R. Tyme &#064; Jan 6 2005, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by Green Jets & Ham@Jan 6 2005, 11:52 AM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-R. Tyme[/i]@Jan 6 2005, 11:16 AM
    [b] Who are today&#39;s prophets? [/b][/quote]
    [i]The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls ... tenament halls ... they stir the sound, of silence[/i]

    :D [/b][/quote]
    famous wall graffiti writing:

    [color=purple][i]"God is dead" - Nietzsche
    "Nietzsche is dead" - God[/i][/color] [/b][/quote]
    I like that&#33;&#33; :lol:

    Hey, did you catch that video I left you in the other thread ... Chef of the future

    Anything to make my girl happy ;)

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Green Jets & Ham+Jan 6 2005, 12:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Green Jets & Ham @ Jan 6 2005, 12:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by R. Tyme@Jan 6 2005, 12:33 PM
    [b] [quote]Originally posted by Green Jets & Ham@Jan 6 2005, 11:52 AM
    [b] <!--QuoteBegin-R. Tyme[/i]@Jan 6 2005, 11:16 AM
    [b] Who are today&#39;s prophets? [/b][/quote]
    [i]The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls ... tenament halls ... they stir the sound, of silence[/i]

    :D [/b][/quote]
    famous wall graffiti writing:

    [color=purple][i]"God is dead" - Nietzsche
    "Nietzsche is dead" - God[/i][/color] [/b][/quote]
    I like that&#33;&#33; :lol:

    Hey, did you catch that video I left you in the other thread ... Chef of the future

    Anything to make my girl happy ;) [/b][/quote]
    Yes&#33; hamana...hamana :lol: Thanks&#33;

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by R. Tyme+Jan 6 2005, 12:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (R. Tyme @ Jan 6 2005, 12:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Green Jets & Ham[/i]@Jan 6 2005, 12:37 PM
    [b]Hey, did you catch that video I left you in the other thread ... Chef of the future

    Anything to make my girl happy ;) [/b][/quote]
    Yes&#33; hamana...hamana :lol: Thanks&#33; [/b][/quote]
    Zip Zip

    Zip Zip

    He&#39;s Zipping, the modern way :lol:

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    [b]Palestinian Friday Sermon by Sheik Mudeiris: The Tsunami is Allah&#39;s Revenge at Bangkok Corruption [/b]

    The following are excerpts from a Friday mosque sermon aired on Palestinian Authority TV by Sheik Ibrahim Mudeiris, which was recorded and translated by the MEMRI TV Monitor Project:

    " What happened there, in South-East Asia … we ask God to have mercy upon all the martyrs - for he who dies by drowning is a martyr. We ask God to have mercy upon all the Muslims who died there. Allah willing, they are martyrs. But, don&#39;t you think that the wrath of the earth and the wrath of the sea should make us reflect? Tens of thousands dead, and many predict that the number will be in the hundreds of thousands. We ask God for forgiveness. When oppression and corruption increase, the law of equilibrium applies. I can see in your eyes that you are wondering what the &#39;universal law of equilibrium&#39; is. This law is a divine law. If people are remiss in implementing God&#39;s law and in being zealous and vengeful for His sake, Allah sets his soldiers in action to take revenge.

    "The oppression and corruption caused by America and the Jews have increased. Have you heard of these beaches that are called &#39;tourists&#39; paradise?&#39; You have all probably heard of Bangkok. We read about it, and knew it as the center of corruption on the face of this earth. Over there, there are Zionist and American investments. Over there they bring Muslims and others to prostitution. Over there, there are beaches, which they dubbed &#39;tourists&#39; paradise,&#39; while only a few meters away, the locals live in hell on earth. They cannot make ends meet, while a few meters away there is a paradise, &#39;tourists&#39; paradise.&#39;

    "Do you want the earth to turn a blind eye to the corrupt oppressors? Do you want the sea… Do you want the sea to lower its waves in the face of corruption that it sees with its own eyes?&#33; No, the zero hour has come." [1]

    [b]Advisor to Saudi Arabia&#39;s Justice Minister: The Nations were Destroyed for Lying, Sinning, and being Infidels [/b]

    Ibrahim Al-Bashar, an advisor to Saudi Arabia&#39;s Justice Minister, argued on the Saudi Arabian/UAE Al-Majd TV channel that the sins of the affected countries caused the tsunami:

    "Whoever reads the Koran, given by the Maker of the World, can see how these nations were destroyed. There is one reason: they lied, they sinned, and [they] were infidels. Whoever studies the Koran can see this is the result…

    "Some intellectuals, philosophers, and journalists - may Allah show them the straight path – say this is the wrath of nature. Whoever is Angry must have a soul and a brain in order to act out his anger. Does the earth have a brain and a body with a soul? They talk about the wrath of nature, or else they claim that what happened was due to a fissure in the depths of the earth, which the earth&#39;s crust could not bear. They connect cosmic matters.

    "But who is the one that cracked it, split it, and commanded it to quake?&#33; Why don&#39;t we ask that question? Who is the one that sent the wind? Who sent the floods? But they tell you that it was due to the ebb and tide, and that the barometric depressions are to blame. Who commanded them to do so?

    "These countries, in which these things occurred – don&#39;t they refrain from adopting Allah&#39;s law, which is a form of heresy? Man-made laws have been chosen over Allah&#39;s law, which has been deemed unsuitable to judge people?&#33; Whoever does not act according to Allah&#39;s law is a heretic, that&#39;s what Allah said in the Koran. Don&#39;t these countries have witchcraft, sorcery, deceitfulness, and abomination?" [2]

    [b]Saudi Professor Sheikh Fawzan Al-Fawzan: Allah Punishes for Homosexuality and Fornication at Christmas [/b]

    The following are excerpts from an interview on Saudi/UAE&#39;s Al-Majd TV with Sheikh Fawzan Al-Fawzan, a professor at the Al-Imam University, which was recorded and translated by the MEMRI TV Monitor Project:

    "These great tragedies and collective punishments that are wiping out villages, towns, cities, and even entire countries, are Allah&#39;s punishments of the people of these countries, even if they are Muslims.

    "Some of our forefathers said that if there is usury and fornication in a certain village, Allah permits its destruction. We know that at these resorts, which unfortunately exist in Islamic and other countries in South Asia, and especially at Christmas, fornication and sexual perversion of all kinds are rampant. The fact that it happened at this particular time is a sign from Allah. It happened at Christmas, when fornicators and corrupt people from all over the world come to commit fornication and sexual perversion. That&#39;s when this tragedy took place, striking them all and destroyed everything. It turned the land into wasteland, where only the cries of the ravens are heard. I say this is a great sign and punishment on which Muslims should reflect.

    "All that&#39;s left for us to do is to ask for forgiveness. We must atone for our sins, and for the acts of the stupid people among us and improve our condition. We must fight fornication, homosexuality, usury, fight the corruption on the face of the earth, and the disregard of the lives of protected people." [3]

    [b]Saudi Cleric Muhammad Al-Munajjid: Allah Finished Off the Richter Scale in Revenge of Infidel Criminals [/b]

    The following are excerpts from an interview on Saudi/UAE&#39;s Al-Majd TV with Saudi cleric Muhammad Al-Munajjid, which was recorded and translated by the MEMRI TV Monitor Project:

    "The problem is that the [Christian] holidays are accompanied by forbidden things, by immorality, abomination, adultery, alcohol, drunken dancing, and … and revelry. A belly dancer costs 2500 pounds per minute and a singer costs 50,000 pounds per hour, and they hop from one hotel to another from night to dawn. Then he spends the entire night defying Allah.

    "Haven&#39;t they learned the lesson from what Allah wreaked upon the coast of Asia, during the celebration of these forbidden? At the height of immorality, Allah took vengeance on these criminals.

    "Those celebrating spent what they call &#39;New Year&#39;s Eve&#39; in vacation resorts, pubs, and hotels. Allah struck them with an earthquake. He finished off the Richter scale. All nine levels gone. Tens of thousands dead.

    "It was said that they were tourists on New Year&#39;s vacation who went to the crowded coral islands for the holiday period, and then they were struck by this earthquake, caused by the Almighty Lord of the worlds. He showed them His wrath and His strength. He showed them His vengeance. Is there anyone learning the lesson? Is it impossible that we will be struck like them? Why do we go their way? Why do we want to be like them, with their holidays, their forbidden things, and their heresy?" [4]

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    thats horrible&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

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