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    January 14th, 2005 12:05 pm
    Iraq New Terror Breeding Ground; War Created Haven, CIA Advisers Report

    By Dana Priest / Washington Post

    Iraq has replaced Afghanistan as the training ground for the next generation of "professionalized" terrorists, according to a report released yesterday by the National Intelligence Council, the CIA director's think tank.

    Iraq provides terrorists with "a training ground, a recruitment ground, the opportunity for enhancing technical skills," said David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats. "There is even, under the best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some of the jihadists who are not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever home is, and will therefore disperse to various other countries."

    Low's comments came during a rare briefing by the council on its new report on long-term global trends. It took a year to produce and includes the analysis of 1,000 U.S. and foreign experts. Within the 119-page report is an evaluation of Iraq's new role as a breeding ground for Islamic terrorists.

    President Bush has frequently described the Iraq war as an integral part of U.S. efforts to combat terrorism. But the council's report suggests the conflict has also helped terrorists by creating a haven for them in the chaos of war.

    "At the moment," NIC Chairman Robert L. Hutchings said, Iraq "is a magnet for international terrorist activity."

    Before the U.S. invasion, the CIA said Saddam Hussein had only circumstantial ties with several al Qaeda members. Osama bin Laden rejected the idea of forming an alliance with Hussein and viewed him as an enemy of the jihadist movement because the Iraqi leader rejected radical Islamic ideals and ran a secular government.

    Bush described the war in Iraq as a means to promote democracy in the Middle East. "A free Iraq can be a source of hope for all the Middle East," he said one month before the invasion. "Instead of threatening its neighbors and harboring terrorists, Iraq can be an example of progress and prosperity in a region that needs both."

    But as instability in Iraq grew after the toppling of Hussein, and resentment toward the United States intensified in the Muslim world, hundreds of foreign terrorists flooded into Iraq across its unguarded borders. They found tons of unprotected weapons caches that, military officials say, they are now using against U.S. troops. Foreign terrorists are believed to make up a large portion of today's suicide bombers, and U.S. intelligence officials say these foreigners are forming tactical, ever-changing alliances with former Baathist fighters and other insurgents.

    "The al-Qa'ida membership that was distinguished by having trained in Afghanistan will gradually dissipate, to be replaced in part by the dispersion of the experienced survivors of the conflict in Iraq," the report says.

    According to the NIC report, Iraq has joined the list of conflicts -- including the Israeli-Palestinian stalemate, and independence movements in Chechnya, Kashmir, Mindanao in the Philippines, and southern Thailand -- that have deepened solidarity among Muslims and helped spread radical Islamic ideology.

    At the same time, the report says that by 2020, al Qaeda "will be superseded" by other Islamic extremist groups that will merge with local separatist movements. Most terrorism experts say this is already well underway. The NIC says this kind of ever-morphing decentralized movement is much more difficult to uncover and defeat.

    Terrorists are able to easily communicate, train and recruit through the Internet, and their threat will become "an eclectic array of groups, cells and individuals that do not need a stationary headquarters," the council's report says. "Training materials, targeting guidance, weapons know-how, and fund-raising will become virtual (i.e. online)."

    The report, titled "Mapping the Global Future," highlights the effects of globalization and other economic and social trends. But NIC officials said their greatest concern remains the possibility that terrorists may acquire biological weapons and, although less likely, a nuclear device.

    The council is tasked with midterm and strategic analysis, and advises the CIA director. "The NIC's goal," one NIC publication states, "is to provide policymakers with the best, unvarnished, and unbiased information -- regardless of whether analytic judgments conform to U.S. policy."

    Other than reports and studies, the council produces classified National Intelligence Estimates, which represent the consensus among U.S. intelligence agencies on specific issues.

    Yesterday, Hutchings, former assistant dean of the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University, said the NIC report tried to avoid analyzing the effect of U.S. policy on global trends to avoid being drawn into partisan politics.

    Among the report's major findings is that the likelihood of "great power conflict escalating into total war . . . is lower than at any time in the past century." However, "at no time since the formation of the Western alliance system in 1949 have the shape and nature of international alignments been in such a state of flux as they have in the past decade."

    The report also says the emergence of China and India as new global economic powerhouses "will be the most challenging of all" Washington's regional relationships. It also says that in the competition with Asia over technological advances, the United States "may lose its edge" in some sectors.

    Staff writer Bradley Graham and researcher Julie Tate contributed to this report.

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    And this is a bad thing?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY[/i]@Jan 15 2005, 11:02 AM
    [b] And this is a bad thing? [/b][/quote]
    [quote][b]According to the NIC report, Iraq has joined the list of conflicts -- including the Israeli-Palestinian stalemate, and independence movements in Chechnya, Kashmir, Mindanao in the Philippines, and southern Thailand -- that have deepened solidarity among Muslims and helped spread radical Islamic ideology.[/b][/quote]

    the only way one could consider the above statement to NOT be a bad thing is if one were an END-TIMER that welcomed judgement day. Of course if one considers the CIA agreeing with BITONTI's theory of "Iraq as magnet" postulated over two years ago then maybe the end is in fact near!!

    if we were trying to really end terror we could have done alot better things than take over Iraq. i stand by that statement also i question what cause these men have really died for.

    ya hear that noise? sounds to me like History is in the process of judging George W. Bush's decision to go to war as incorrect.

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    Iraq provides terrorists with "a training ground, a recruitment ground, the opportunity for enhancing technical skills," said David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats. "There is even, under the best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some of the jihadists who are not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever home is, and will therefore disperse to various other countries."


    At the moment," NIC Chairman Robert L. Hutchings said, Iraq "is a magnet for international terrorist activity."

    Before the U.S. invasion, the CIA said Saddam Hussein had only circumstantial ties with several al Qaeda members. Osama bin Laden rejected the idea of forming an alliance with Hussein and viewed him as an enemy of the jihadist movement because the Iraqi leader rejected radical Islamic ideals and ran a secular government.


    Gee, YA THINK!? Mission accomplished George Bush. You actually managed to invade what actually was a terrorist breeding ground in Afghanistan, and now by invading Iraq, you've MADE IT a breeding ground for terrorists. Good job chimp boy!

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti+Jan 15 2005, 11:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (bitonti &#064; Jan 15 2005, 11:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Come Back to NY[/i]@Jan 15 2005, 11:02 AM
    [b] And this is a bad thing? [/b][/quote]
    [quote][b]According to the NIC report, Iraq has joined the list of conflicts -- including the Israeli-Palestinian stalemate, and independence movements in Chechnya, Kashmir, Mindanao in the Philippines, and southern Thailand -- that have deepened solidarity among Muslims and helped spread radical Islamic ideology.[/b][/quote]

    the only way one could consider the above statement to NOT be a bad thing is if one were an END-TIMER that welcomed judgement day. Of course if one considers the CIA agreeing with BITONTI&#39;s theory of "Iraq as magnet" postulated over two years ago then maybe the end is in fact near&#33;&#33;

    if we were trying to really end terror we could have done alot better things than take over Iraq. i stand by that statement also i question what cause these men have really died for.

    ya hear that noise? sounds to me like History is in the process of judging George W. Bush&#39;s decision to go to war as incorrect. [/b][/quote]
    so it&#39;s better to have them spread out rather then concentrated in one place huh?? yeh...you make a lot of sense...

    As I&#39;ve said all along- invading Iraq gave us a presence in the eye of the hurricane which makes the fight easier and quicker to win.

    [quote][b]ya hear that noise? sounds to me like History is in the process of judging George W. Bush&#39;s decision to go to war as incorrect.[/b][/quote]

    That noise is coming from the heads of liberals as they shake it back and forth.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Jan 15 2005, 09:22 AM
    [b] Iraq has replaced Afghanistan as the training ground for the next generation of "professionalized" terrorists, [/b][/quote]
    Hmmm....

    Which would be easier?

    Hunting down and killing these filthy heaps of camel dung in Iraq, or trying to find them spread throughout the vast mountain ranges of Afghanistan.

    Seems like a no brainer to me, but thats just me.

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    Before 9/11, recruitment wasn&#39;t a problem. So, we throw up our hands and do nothing and hope they go away, while conceding Iraq and Afghanistan to them to incubate their lunacy again, rather than hunt and kill them. GREAT STRATEGY.

    If you pantywaist liberal scardycats ran D-Day the Allies never hit the beach.

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    this idea only works if there is a limited amount of terrorists - seems to me that numbers are growing, not shrinking, despite all the suicide bombers B)

    you guys talk a big game but this idea only works in theory - in practice Iraq is a ****hole not getting any better and we are set up for GENERATIONS of OCCUPATION

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Bugg[/i]@Jan 15 2005, 01:09 PM
    [b] Before 9/11, recruitment wasn&#39;t a problem. So, we throw up our hands and do nothing and hope they go away, while conceding Iraq and Afghanistan to them to incubate their lunacy again, rather than hunt and kill them. GREAT STRATEGY.

    If you pantywaist liberal scardycats ran D-Day the Allies never hit the beach. [/b][/quote]
    Hey genius, Franklin Roosevelt was pretty damn liberal. In fact, Republicans are making it a top priority to destroy his legacy of Social Security. FDR was president while allies invaded Normandy. I also believe both houses of Congress were controlled by Democrats. Get your head out of your ass. It&#39;s really amusing how you people actually say it&#39;s a GOOD THING to have terrorists centralized in one place. Get this, we are losing the war right now. I&#39;m not happy about it, but it&#39;s reality. More and more people are becoming terrorists, and as Rummy said before (but didn&#39;t want anybody to hear) is that we are creating more terrorists than we are killing. It&#39;s hard to imagine how this war could have been "strategerized" any worse than it has been, and we&#39;ve clearly "misunderestimated" the complete ineptitude of Bush and his cronies.

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    I&#39;m sure moronic liberals who believe it is a bad thing militant scuzlims have centralized thier fight in Iraq also agree with this ass-wipe:

    KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- [b]Eased-up American military operations could persuade former Taliban militants to return home from countries such as Pakistan, the chief of the U.N. refugee agency said Saturday. Thousands of Taliban supporters fled to Pakistan and Iran -- many with their entire families -- when U.S. forces and Afghan anti-Taliban militias drove them from power in late 2001 for harboring Osama bin Laden. [/b]

    The exodus was just the latest during more than 20 years of fighting in Afghanistan dating back to a communist coup in 1978 and the Soviet invasion a year later.

    To encourage their return the U.S. military&#39;s offensive operations could become ``more selective,&#39;&#39; Ruud Lubbers, the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, said during an interview with The Associated Press.

    ``It will be very good to give some chance, some oxygen if you like, to normalcy in these regions (where) people are allowed to come back and are not in an atmosphere any more of confrontation,&#39;&#39; he said.

    ``The big shots of the Taliban will of course stay out because they will be imprisoned immediately,&#39;&#39; Lubbers said. ``But the more rank-and-file people, normal people, I think there you will see more&#39;&#39; willingness to return.

    Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai has dismissed a stubborn Taliban-led insurgency as a minor threat and repeatedly called for low- and mid-ranking members to make peace and help rebuild Afghanistan after more than two decades of war.

    Government officials claim many have since signaled their wish to come back from neighboring countries, and the top U.S. commander here told AP last month that a big repatriation could prompt a reduction in his 18,000-strong force. But few appear to have taken the plunge.

    The military is engaged in a winter-long campaign to prevent militants from threatening elections planned for the spring. Taliban supreme leader Mullah Omar and al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden remain at large.

    In all, about 3 million refugees have returned to Afghanistan since 2001, but only a fraction of those are from border provinces such as Zabul and Paktika, where the hardline militia remain active.

    Lubbers said another 400,000 refugees likely would return to Afghanistan this year.

    However, others wish to stay in Pakistan or Iran because of the difficulty of reclaiming abandoned Afghan homes and land and the lack of jobs or basic services in areas viewed as unsafe by relief organizations.

    Many returnees have ended up in booming cities such as Kabul, where nearly 1 million refugees have created a desperate shortage of accommodation.

    With the United Nations providing only emergency help and no sign of long-planned government housing projects, the dozens of families living in the capital&#39;s war-damaged former Russian cultural center see little hope.

    ``When I was a farmer, I was carefree as a butterfly,&#39;&#39; said Dost Mohammed, a man of about 80 originally from Panjshir province who now lives in a tiny room made of scavenged cement blocks and plastic sacks inside the ruined complex. ``Now look what has become of us.&#39;&#39;


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