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    [quote][b]What's In Popeye's Pipe?

    By Dana Larsen, Cannabis Culture. Posted February 8, 2005.

    The world's most famous sailor-man may be tooting more than just spinach in his pipe.


    Popeye is one of the world's most well-known and beloved animated characters. Since his creation, the pipe-puffing Popeye has become a global phenomenon, with millions of kids heartily munching on spinach in the hopes that it will make them as strong as the legendary sailor-man.

    Yet is the spinach which gives Popeye his super-strength really a metaphor for another magical herb? Have children around the world been adoring a hero who is really a heavy consumer of the forbidden weed marijuana?

    The evidence is circumstantial, but it is there, and when added together it presents a compelling picture that, for many readers at least, Popeye's strength-giving spinach is meant as a clear metaphor for the miraculous powers of marijuana.

    Comic Creation

    Popeye has gone through many different writers and artists since he was first created in 1929 by cartoonist Elzie Segar. Popeye was originally introduced as a minor character in Segar's ongoing comic strip, Thimble Theatre. For 10 years Segar had been chronicling the adventures of Olive Oyl, her brother Castor, and her fiance Ham Gravy. At the start of one new adventure, Castor and Ham were to embark on an overseas voyage, and so they went to the docks and hired a sailor named Popeye.

    Soon Popeye had become a major part of the Thimble Theatre cast, and within a year Ham Gravy was written out of the strip as Popeye replaced him as Olive's sweetheart. Wimpy was added to the cast three years later, and baby Swee'pea four years after that.

    At first there was no explanation for Popeye's amazing strength. But within a few years Popeye's reliance on spinach was entrenched in the strip, and the basis of some ongoing jokes. By the time of the animated cartoons, decades after Segar's death, the spinach had become an essential part of every plot, with Popeye's consumption of the magic herb signaling a swift end to his foes.

    The original comic by Segar was much more complex and nuanced than the later animated shorts. Segar introduced many strange and wonderful characters into Popeye's world, including the malicious Sea Hag, whose enchanted flute enables her to fly and do magic; the wealthy Mr. Vanripple, whose beautiful daughter June rivals Olive for Popeye' affections; the disturbing Alice the Goon who speaks only in squiggles; and the mighty Toar, whose monstrous strength challenges even Popeye's.

    Segar's storylines were full of adult humor, including Toar having a crush on Popeye, calling him "hot stuff" and kissing him on the head. Popeye's ongoing adventures included founding his own island nation called Spinachovia, and becoming "dictipator" over a country made up only of men.

    Spinach = Marijuana

    So from these seemingly innocent beginnings, what evidence is there that Popeye is actually a stoner?

    During the 1920s and '30s, the era when Popeye was created, "spinach" was a very common code word for marijuana. One classic example is "The Spinach Song," recorded in 1938 by the popular jazz band Julia Lee and Her Boyfriends. Performed for years in clubs thick with cannabis smoke, along with other Julia Lee hits like "Sweet Marijuana," the popular song used spinach as an obvious metaphor for pot.

    In addition, anti-marijuana propaganda of the time claimed that marijuana use induced super-strength. Overblown media reports proclaimed that pot smokers became extraordinarily strong, and even immune to bullets. So tying in Popeye's mighty strength with his sucking back some spinach would have seemed like an obvious cannabis connection at the time.

    Further, as a "sailor-man," Popeye would be expected to be familiar with exotic herbs from distant locales. Indeed, sailors were among the first to introduce marijuana to American culture, bringing the herb back with them from their voyages overseas.

    Segar did make other, more explicit drug references in his comic strip. One ongoing 1934 plotline had Vanripple's gold mine facing corrupt, thieving workers. Popeye discovers that the mine manager is feeding his men berries from a bush whose roots are soaked in a nasty drug. Consuming the drugged berries removes human conscience, making people more violent and willing to commit crime.

    Popeye falls under the influence of the laced berries and becomes surly and mean, striking out at his friends and allies. Yet he still manages to get five gallons of "myrtholene," a joy-inducing drug which he pours over the plant's roots. The new berries produce delirious happiness, and as Popeye says, "When a man's happy he jus' couldn't do nothin' wrong."

    Pot References

    Segar died in 1938, and the strip was taken over by others in the following decades. As the Popeye character was re-interpreted by others in print, animation and film, other indicators of a marijuana subtext have continued to pop up.

    For example, in many of the animated Popeye cartoons from the 1960s, Popeye is explicitly shown sucking the power-giving spinach through his pipe.

    Further, in the comics and cartoons made during the '60s, Popeye had a dog named Birdseed. Surely the writers who named Popeye's dog during this "flower power" era were aware that cannabis was in fact America's number one source of birdseed until it was banned?

    Another slightly different drug reference occurs in the 1954 cartoon, Greek Mirthology. In the cartoon, Popeye tells his nephews the story of his ancestor, Hercules. Hercules, who looks just like Popeye, is shown sniffing white garlic to gain his super strength. By the end of the cartoon Hercules has discovered spinach and switches over to it. Is this a metaphor for the benefits of cannabis over cocaine or snuff?

    Another animated film shows Popeye carefully tending a crop of spinach plants reminiscent of a cannabis patch. He carefully takes cuttings, dips them into rooting gel and plants them in his outdoor garden. He even gives each plant a special feeding mix from a baby bottle. Pot growers worldwide would recognize the unique way that Popeye cares for his sacred crop.

    I Yam What I Yam

    Some have commented on the parallel between Popeye's famous phrase, "I yam what I yam," and the statement, "I am that I am," made by God to Moses in the Old Testament. In the story, God speaks to Moses through a magical burning bush, which was not consumed by the fire. Many different people and faiths, including Rastafarians and various early Christian sects, have believed that the biblical burning bush is a reference to the cannabis plant.

    So in this context, the use of phrase, "I yam what I yam," can be seen as a reference to Popeye's use of the burning cannabis bush, which creates his higher awareness of the self-reflective nature of the Godhead.

    Pure Bolivian Spinach

    The only Popeye strip to ever explicitly refer to the pot/spinach connection was published in the 1980s by illustrator Bobby London. The comic showed Popeye and Wimpy picking up a load of "pure Bolivian spinach."

    London did the syndicated Popeye daily strip for King Features from 1986 to 1992, and was known for putting adult, controversial themes into his work. He had previously worked on the short-lived comic book Air Pirates, which showed Mickey and Minnie Mouse having sex, getting high and smuggling drugs.

    London was eventually fired from Popeye for writing an allegorical satire about the abortion issue. No new Popeye strips are now being written; those running in daily newspapers are all repeats.

    Popeye Mythology

    Whether Popeye 's many pot references are intentional or not, some see amazing depths and layers of meaning within the Popeye saga. An author and online artist named Michaelm provides the following analysis:

    "Popeye characterizes the natural cycle going back through the ages to the ancient mariners ... books, [B]ibles, logs, maps, pennants, sails, ropes, paints, varnishes, lamp oil and sealants were all derived from hemp. Bluto represents the greedy toxic corporations, dependent industries and landowners.

    "Both characters try to swoon the premier oil source, Olive Oyl. Bluto begins to understand Popeye is too competitive so he decides to eliminate him. He chains Popeye down, captures Olive Oyl, and approaches the point of rape. But in the end Popeye manages to suck the 'spinach' through his pipe, grows strong with hemp, breaks free and defeats the evil corporations, saving her from industrial pollution and oppression.

    "Relieved and happy, she gives herself back to the natural cycle, then Popeye smiles, winks and toots his pipe."

    While this is likely reading far more into the strip than any of its creators ever intended, it is an excellent example of the iconic status that Popeye has achieved among some quarters of the cannabis community.

    Dana Larsen is the editor of Cannabis Culture, which is based in Vancouver B.C.[/b][/quote]

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    Weed, the bible, sexual assault, some anti-capitalism green stuff...this article has it all! Good find Matt!

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    i just love the depths this article is willing to plunge to prove their point - it reads like some twisted final project for a gut class like "20th Century Media in America"

    :lol:

    there should be a disclaimer at the end:

    No actual brain cells survived the writing of this article. :lol:

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    Marijuana should be legalized.

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    Now I know why all my friends and I smoke pot...it was cause of Popeye :rolleyes:

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by CarlSpackler[/i]@Feb 9 2005, 02:16 PM
    [b] Marijuana should be legalized. [/b][/quote]
    True, and at the very least it should be de-criminalized and treated as simply a misdemeanor for possession, etc. I mean, c'mon....

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    It should be sold by Big Tobacco, they already have the means and it should be taxed heavily.

    What this would do is make weed really cheap and would give the government about half the money that is made off of it to help fight the REAL drug problem (crack, heroin, coke, ecstasy etc).


    Furthermore, the quality of the weed will be fantastic considering the competitive Capitilism that pervades our society today. Companies will be falling over eachother with new types with different effects etc.

    Regulate it like alcohol and we'll all be better off for it.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by CarlSpackler[/i]@Feb 9 2005, 06:27 PM
    [b] Regulate it like alcohol and we'll all be better off for it. [/b][/quote]
    cmon carl come clean you just want to mass market your unique cross-breed of kentucky bluegrass and northern california sensimilla :lol:

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by CarlSpackler[/i]@Feb 9 2005, 03:16 PM
    [b] Marijuana should be legalized. [/b][/quote]
    No, the penalties should become more harsh.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by jetman67+Feb 10 2005, 07:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (jetman67 @ Feb 10 2005, 07:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CarlSpackler[/i]@Feb 9 2005, 03:16 PM
    [b] Marijuana should be legalized. [/b][/quote]
    No, the penalties should become more harsh. [/b][/quote]
    Why?

    The effects on your mind and judgement are less than that of alcohol, and this is coming from an alcoholic that doesn&#39;t even smoke dope anymore.

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    If Popeye is the smoker, why is Wimpy the one with the munchies and no cash until Tuesday?


    [quote][b]The effects on your mind and judgement are less than that of alcohol, and this is coming from an alcoholic that doesn&#39;t even smoke dope anymore.[/b][/quote]
    I&#39;ve thought about that, and my decision for not legalizing has 2 reasons:

    1.) You can&#39;t get a LITTLE bit high. It&#39;s an on/off switch. You can have one beer on the way home from work and I won&#39;t worry about it. But I don&#39;t want someone smoking and driving....period.

    2.) Science can&#39;t tell if you smoked it 1 hour ago, or 2 weeks ago. If you drive over 10 kids, there&#39;s no way to know if it was a factor. And it CAN be a factor.

    In the privacy of one&#39;s livingroom? Sure. It&#39;s harmless. But there are too many idiots who will do it and then drive...and therefore it should be illegal until we can safely detect and prosecute those who drive afterward.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by JerryK[/i]@Feb 10 2005, 11:27 AM
    [b] 1.) You can&#39;t get a LITTLE bit high. It&#39;s an on/off switch. You can have one beer on the way home from work and I won&#39;t worry about it. But I don&#39;t want someone smoking and driving....period.

    . [/b][/quote]
    Not true. I know a lot of people (including myself) who would have a joint just to kind of relax, but wouldnt be totally baked. Its a great way to relax yourself, like a beer.

    There are so many myths regarding pot its disgusting. I honestly worry about people who drink to excess more than those who smoke more.

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    [quote][b]I&#39;ve thought about that, and my decision for not legalizing has 2 reasons:

    1.) You can&#39;t get a LITTLE bit high. It&#39;s an on/off switch. You can have one beer on the way home from work and I won&#39;t worry about it. But I don&#39;t want someone smoking and driving....period.

    2.) Science can&#39;t tell if you smoked it 1 hour ago, or 2 weeks ago. If you drive over 10 kids, there&#39;s no way to know if it was a factor. And it CAN be a factor.

    In the privacy of one&#39;s livingroom? Sure. It&#39;s harmless. But there are too many idiots who will do it and then drive...and therefore it should be illegal until we can safely detect and prosecute those who drive afterward. [/b][/quote]

    It is definately not an "on/off switch". You can be a lil baked, you can be ripped off your ass or you can high. There are different things that these are good for like
    A. Lil baked- good for playing Madden online. You tend to be more "outside the box" with your play calling and those runningback moves that you try and never work always seem to work when your just a lil high. It concentrates you on the task at hand. Its good for videogames, tv shows, small jobs and studying.

    B. Ripped off your Ass - thats when you can hardly control your laughter and are not sociable at all. Therefore, you go see a good movie at your local theatre (preferably one you&#39;ve never seen before). You will be completely enthralled in this movie and its a guarenteed good time, even if the movie blows. (psst...Its what got me through all the Lord of The Rings films, great movies)

    C. High- this is where you can relax and joke with your friends without being too ripped but definately ripped enough to have a fun time.




    [quote][b]cmon carl come clean you just want to mass market your unique cross-breed of kentucky bluegrass and northern california sensimilla [/b][/quote]

    oh yea, and I do have a patent on that, so don&#39;t be stealing my formula.

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    Ripped is ripped. I stand my ground and say there&#39;s not a gradual or predictable method for safely using the stuff with car keys in ones pocket.

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