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    'Anti-Racist' Message in Mass. Math Class
    Tuesday, February 08, 2005
    By Liza Porteus


    In some public schools math teachers do more than teach algebra and geometry — they give their students lessons intended to purge what they consider racism.

    The "anti-racist education" program in place at Newton Public Schools in Newton, Mass., a wealthy, liberal niche of the Bay State, has angered some parents who believe the school district is more concerned about political correctness than teaching math skills.

    According to benchmarks for middle school education, the top objective for the district's math teachers is to teach "respect for human differences." The objective is for students to "live out the system-wide core value of 'respect for human differences' by demonstrating anti-racist/anti-bias behaviors."

    Priority No. 2 is where the basics come in, which is "problem solving and representation — students will build new mathematical knowledge as they use a variety of techniques to investigate and represent solutions to problems."

    The benchmarks, which could not be found on the district's Web site, were faxed to FOXNews.com by Tom Mountain, a columnist for The Newton Tab who has followed the district's education system and, specifically, the rise of the "antiracist" education agenda there. His Jan. 12 column on the topic received so much attention, he said, his e-mail inbox was flooded with over 200 responses.


    "I was surprised that this issue resonated so much with the general public," Mountain said in an interview of what he called "PC nonsense" going on at Newton. "It would be silly and innocuous if it didn't have an effect on the school's standing, but it has."

    Newton Superintendent Jeffrey Young did not return several phone calls from FOXNews.com seeking comment. FOXNews.com also wanted to obtain copies of the benchmarks directly from the school but could not because school officials refused to return phone calls.

    On the district's Web site where the math benchmarks for grades K-8 are mentioned, the Web page says: currently in process of curriculum review."

    'Anti-Racist' = 'Anti-American?'

    Some parents say their students not only are in desperate need of math help but that some students also don't know the basics of U.S. history and that antiracist policies are getting in the way of teaching the basics.

    "The 'antiracist' and, actually, 'anti-American' curriculum permeates the school environment," Lillian Benson, whose children, ages 8 and 11, attend the district's schools, told FOXnews.com in an e-mail.

    "My children do not know Christopher Columbus, except that he was a racist who caused the death of many innocents or the founders of the nation. They have hardly heard of George Washington or Abraham Lincoln even though we live in the area that began it all. What they do know about is the wonders of Ghana, Mexico and China," she said.

    Another parent, Julie Agarkov says it's ridiculous that people living in the community pay top dollar so their kids can attend good public schools, yet she still pays to send her son to the Boston area's Russian School of Mathematics "to ensure that he gets a good math education."

    The Russian School of Mathematics is a private, after-school math institution for kids grades K-12. Iness Rifkin, founder of the school, told FOXNews.com that of the 700 kids now enrolled in her school, 400 of them are from the Newton district; 120 of them are middle schoolers. She began the school out of her home seven years ago with her two children and a few of their friends.

    "Now, seven years later, I have 700 students, mainly from Newton public schools … I can't even accommodate all the people who want to be in the school this year," Rifkin said.

    Rifkin said she approached Young to offer to either teach Newton teachers how to better teach math or to have the district give kids a choice to either attend Math at Newton or at her school at no extra charge to the district; parents already are paying to send their kids to her school. This way, kids wouldn't have to take math at two different places.

    "He didn't want to listen to that," she said. "Parents tell me they feel sorry for their kids to spend double time — time in public school and time in my school."

    The district's benchmarks reflect the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics' (NCTM) Principles and Standards for School Mathematics from 2000, as well as "Newton's commitment to active anti-racist education," according to the district's "rationale" for its math teaching.

    NCTM President Cathy Seeley told FOXNews.com that her group, however, doesn't specifically address "anti-racism."

    "One of our principles is equity and making sure all students have access to math. There's certainly no direct comments in regards to anti-racism," Seeley said. "We don't have a formal position on that ['anti-racist' education] but I think it's hard to argue with that basic concept."

    The challenge that schools face now is how to do that in a way that addresses all the content areas with integrity and still maintains a basic respect for kids of all races and ethnic backgrounds, Seeley added.

    'Few Students Are Too Dumb to Learn'

    Encouraging "anti-racist" education in schools is part and parcel with what's called "multicultural education," a movement that's been afoot for years as some educators try to infuse more of a varied cultural insight into the classroom. This thinking is evident in many of Newton's schools.

    The principal's page for Memorial Spaulding Elementary School, for example, reads: "We know that the context for optimal learning is a school which has a passion for children and for democracy, an intolerance for racism and for prejudice, a commitment to the creation of an anti-racist, prejudice-free learning environment, and a genuine desire to turn the concept of 'just society' into reality. We hope to be that school."

    But some educators say some schools are taking the idea too far.

    "How many more years of declining scores will it take for the school committee and state officials to put a stop to this educational malpractice on schoolchildren?" asked Peter Murphy, a New York education consultant. "Values education should be done without gutting the state’s math standards."

    Academic advocates of multicultural education say anti-racist education and multicultural education are very close in definition and say many people don't have a good idea of exactly what racism is, so they don't understand efforts to combat it in the classroom.

    "I think of [multicultural education] as a set of practices that confront the various forms of racism and institutionalized racisms that do exist in schools, as well as the larger society, and thinking of ways of breaking down and deconstructing forms of racism," Christine Sleeter, professor emeritus at California State University at Monterey Bay and co-editor of "Multicultural Education, Critical Pedagogy, and the Politics of Difference," said. "I think that a whole lot of people are fumbling around with, 'what are the issues?'"

    But in classes like math?

    "One of the ways I would apply anti-racist education to math is to ask, 'why is it that, generally speaking, white kids get better access to upper-level math learning than low-income kids and kids of color?'" Sleeter said. "[And] in what ways might math and science serve as tools for understanding and dealing with various social issues?"

    The National Association of Multicultural Education did not return phone calls for this story.

    Joanne Jacobs, a former San Jose Mercury News columnist who currently writes about education and other issues at JoanneJacobs.com, said pushing an "anti-racist" math agenda all the time in class perpetrates the idea that kids of different colors can't learn the same way and actually works to widen the racial divide.

    "I think if you racialize kids all throughout their education, all they think about is, 'has a black person done that before?'" Jacobs said. "If we would simply say, 'these are subjects that other human beings have found learnable, you're a human being, you can learn it, and try to deracialize the way we teach, it can work … very few students are too dumb to learn."

    At the very least, Jacobs and others said, push the political-correctness in a separate, or more relevant class, but not math.

    "I personally think it would be far healthier for kids, if you want to talk about culture, talk about it in Social Studies but don't talk about it in every single class," Jacobs said. "It's a waste of their time in math and science, and I think it's fundamentally wrong."
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    Excuse me for asking a potentially explosive question, but don't parents have the right to raise their kids as racists? This is liberal PC bullsh-t gone haywire -- the same idiots who scream and moan that you can't even mention the bible in schools hijack EVERY piece of the curriculum to push their agenda?

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    so shakin you are Angry that parents are being deprived the chance to raise their kids as racists?

    screw those people... and screw any racist agenda

    if you complained about the lack of math skills i would agree - but i crap all over the right to raise a racist kid.

    there isn't a single situation where increased racism would help this nation, so why should we defend the right?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Feb 10 2005, 10:59 AM
    [b] so shakin you are Angry that parents are being deprived the chance to raise their kids as racists?

    screw those people... and screw any racist agenda

    if you complained about the lack of math skills i would agree - but i crap all over the right to raise a racist kid.

    there isn't a single situation where increased racism would help this nation, so why should we defend the right? [/b][/quote]
    You're completely missing the point. And no, I don't care to raise my kids as racists -- and THAT is the point. It's a moral decision that has no place in school -- especially not at the expense of the basic fundamentals.


    Anyway, just give me a yes or no answer to this question: Do parents have the RIGHT to raise their kids as racist?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by shakin318[/i]@Feb 10 2005, 11:09 AM
    [b] Anyway, just give me a yes or no answer to this question: Do parents have the RIGHT to raise their kids as racist? [/b][/quote]
    no because it negatively impacts the public good.

    this is for the same reason parents aren't allowed to raise their kids ignorantly (i.e. without a certain basic level of education) -

    it is in the interest of the public good that people grow up with a basic level of education and likewise, NOT racist.

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    Great article Shakin, I read it when it was up on FOXNews.com, very insightful.

    Political Correctness will be the end of this nation if we allow it, plain and simple.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti+Feb 10 2005, 01:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (bitonti @ Feb 10 2005, 01:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-shakin318[/i]@Feb 10 2005, 11:09 AM
    [b] Anyway, just give me a yes or no answer to this question: Do parents have the RIGHT to raise their kids as racist? [/b][/quote]
    no because it negatively impacts the public good.

    this is for the same reason parents aren&#39;t allowed to raise their kids ignorantly (i.e. without a certain basic level of education) -

    it is in the interest of the public good that people grow up with a basic level of education and likewise, NOT racist. [/b][/quote]
    You lack of understanding about what FREEDOM means is TERRIFYING Bit.

    Thank God you and yours are not in control, because your desire to end freedom of thought is simply wrong on EVERY level.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Warfish[/i]@Feb 10 2005, 01:24 PM
    [b] Thank God you and yours are not in control, because your desire to end freedom of thought is simply wrong on EVERY level. [/b][/quote]
    so warfish do you believe that Parents should have the right to raise illiterate children?

    do they have the right to raise children without immunization?

    the right to raise them without hygene?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti+Feb 10 2005, 01:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (bitonti @ Feb 10 2005, 01:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-shakin318[/i]@Feb 10 2005, 11:09 AM
    [b] Anyway, just give me a yes or no answer to this question: Do parents have the RIGHT to raise their kids as racist? [/b][/quote]
    no because it negatively impacts the public good.

    this is for the same reason parents aren&#39;t allowed to raise their kids ignorantly (i.e. without a certain basic level of education) -

    it is in the interest of the public good that people grow up with a basic level of education and likewise, NOT racist. [/b][/quote]
    You&#39;re wrong, plain and simple. Freedom of Speech and of Thought give me every right to plant any kind of prejudice, racist or hateful thought in my kids heads. There is NO debate on that. Whether it&#39;s morally right or wrong is a whole other issue.

    As for whether it "negatively impacts the public good" (and to get back into the context of what liberal schools are doing): Alcoholism also negatively impacts the public good (drunken driving, productivity loss, health costs, child abuse).

    Should alcohol-awareness thoroughly permeate every subject and class given to our public school students? So much so that it is the FIRST PRIORITY LISTED in a school&#39;s description of what they aim to teach students in a MATH CLASS -- given even a HIGHER PRIORITY THAN MATH&#33;?

    Racism is horrible, bit. But "ending racism" is an agenda, and at best should be presented in schools as a specific subject or topic within a subject (ie Social Studies), and NOT woven throughout an entire curriculum, whether subtly or as the PRIMARY TEACHING OBJECTIVE of EVERY CLASS as is the case of the story I posted.

    The people doing this are hypocritical, narrow-minded idiots, plain and simple -- whatever their motivations may be.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti+Feb 10 2005, 01:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (bitonti @ Feb 10 2005, 01:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Warfish[/i]@Feb 10 2005, 01:24 PM
    [b] Thank God you and yours are not in control, because your desire to end freedom of thought is simply wrong on EVERY level. [/b][/quote]
    so warfish do you believe that Parents should have the right to raise illiterate children?

    do they have the right to raise children without immunization?

    the right to raise them without hygene? [/b][/quote]
    Illiteracy? Yes, however it is irrelevant to this dicussion (illiteracy is not related to freedom of though, unless you know of some group that find reading immoral). There is no law that I am aware of the requires parents to teach their children to read specifically. Parent who choose to can "opt out" if they so choose.

    Immunization? No, to deprive basic health care is abusive. Infringes upon the basic human rights of the children. This is current law in every state, as far as I know.

    Hygene? Have you actually met any children in your life Bit. I&#39;d say 50% of Americans don&#39;t teach proper hygene NOW, so yes, it is their right.

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    Fact is, parents have the right to teach anything they like, in terms of thought, even if society finds it reprehensible. THAT is the definition of Freedom of Thought.

    However, should that thought lead to ANY action that infringes upon the legislated rights or freedoms of another person, well, THEN the system (Govt.) is responsible for making sure the appropriate punishment is levied for the illegal action in question.

    That is how freedom works Bit. To imply the system should root out anyone who doesn&#39;t "think the way we want them to think" is scary.

    How would you feel, for example, if the vast majority of Americans believed liberalism was as evil as racism? And Liberal thought was criminalized, even when no actions were taken?

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    BOTTOM LINE:

    There is nothing illegal about racism (in thought or in many cases words -- and remember that racism and discrimination are two different things) and therefore, in this country, you have a "right" to be a racist, and to raise your kids as racist.

    Just as those who want to allow prayer in schools are supposedly infringing upon the "rights" of atheists to not have their kids feel "uncomfortable" or "different" because of their beliefs...

    Those who weave anti-racism agendas throughout their curriculum are infringing upon the rights of racists to not have their kids feel "uncomfortable" or "different" because of their beliefs.

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    i don&#39;t think the parents of Newton MA would have a problem with the anti-racist curriculum if it didn&#39;t come at the expense of basic Math skills - that seems to be the issue - not really the value of anti-racist curriculum.

    I agree that regulating racism is a slippery slope to regulating thought - however i do still believe that the public at large benefits from a less racist society, and as such racism should be discouraged - just not at the expense of basic Math.

    it&#39;s a situation of the lesser of two evils... neither outcome is 100% preferable to the other, but evaluated in total the potential of racism to foster hatred, splinter society and create conditions of violence are too great to be ignored.

    don&#39;t forget It was less then a century ago that we as a nation routinely lynched black people for no reason. PC isn&#39;t a great thing but it&#39;s better than the alternative which is probable buckwild madness.

    bringing up alcoholism is fine but that is a whole nother discussion...apparently that&#39;s a disease, while racism is a mindset.

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    Yeah, the point of my post did get sidetracked. It wasn&#39;t intended to be about whether or not anyone has the right to be racist or raise racist kids.

    It was meant to be about liberal teachers wrongfully forcing their subjective beliefs and agendas on public schoolchildren, revising World and American history to skew to their agendas, all at the expense of giving the kids the proper education and fundamental skills that will enable them to do more than grow up to major in completely useless college "cultural studies&#39; programs, and have careers as non-contributing, unwashed demonstrators-for-rent.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti+Feb 10 2005, 01:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (bitonti @ Feb 10 2005, 01:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-shakin318[/i]@Feb 10 2005, 11:09 AM
    [b] Anyway, just give me a yes or no answer to this question: Do parents have the RIGHT to raise their kids as racist? [/b][/quote]
    no because it negatively impacts the public good.

    this is for the same reason parents aren&#39;t allowed to raise their kids ignorantly (i.e. without a certain basic level of education) -

    it is in the interest of the public good that people grow up with a basic level of education and likewise, NOT racist. [/b][/quote]
    Who defines what is and is not the "public good?" Who defines what does and does not "negatively impact" it?

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by jets5ever[/i]@Feb 10 2005, 04:43 PM
    [b] Who defines what is and is not the "public good?" Who defines what does and does not "negatively impact" it? [/b][/quote]
    let me guess george there are only two entities that are worthy of such a grave responsibility:

    Adam Smith and the Forces of the Free Market

    :lol:

    if i ever start a garage band that would a slammin name :lol:

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    in theory, shakin, you&#39;re right. the problem is that in practice, a racist in a non-segregated environment, by acting on his beliefs, will discriminate, and impinge upon the rights of others, at best - and commit a bias or hate crime at worst, especially when in a group of racists.

    it&#39;s like anything else we regulate - do you think loaded handguns should be sold in vending machines? in theory, there&#39;s nothing wrong with it. and by the letter of the law, to regulate against that would seem in direct violation of the bill of rights. but i doubt you would campaign for it.

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    "Anyway, just give me a yes or no answer to this question: Do parents have the RIGHT to raise their kids as racist? "


    IMHO people can say whatever they want in their own homes, but it doesnt make it right. The have the freedom to tell their kids that some groups are inferior, and they can use racial epithets privately, but that doesnt make it right.

    Parents and schools socialize children, and you are going to end up with some very effed up kids when they get such drastically conflicting ideas.

    It is morally wrong to raise kids as racists, and it is morally wrong for the schools to fail to educate students at problem solving, math, literacy,etc.

    In theory, the nazis in skokie have the right to congregate at a parade, but it is morally wrong to espouse those ideas. JMO

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    Yea, you can raise your kids racist, but if none of you want too then what is the big deal? It shouldn&#39;t matter too you whether or not public schools give the chance or not.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by DireJet38[/i]@Feb 19 2005, 12:35 PM
    [b] Yea, you can raise your kids racist, but if none of you want too then what is the big deal? It shouldn&#39;t matter too you whether or not public schools give the chance or not. [/b][/quote]
    Didn&#39;t the parents of the black kid murdered in the Columbine massacre, Isiah something, sue the parents of the asassins claiming they brought their kids up as racists which was part of the reason the incident occured??

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by Come Back to NY+Feb 19 2005, 11:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Come Back to NY @ Feb 19 2005, 11:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-DireJet38[/i]@Feb 19 2005, 12:35 PM
    [b] Yea, you can raise your kids racist, but if none of you want too then what is the big deal? It shouldn&#39;t matter too you whether or not public schools give the chance or not. [/b][/quote]
    Didn&#39;t the parents of the black kid murdered in the Columbine massacre, Isiah something, sue the parents of the asassins claiming they brought their kids up as racists which was part of the reason the incident occured?? [/b][/quote]
    I have no idea, I have not done research on the incident.

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