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    This guy got a standing ovation when he spoke this week in Colorado. Absolutely disgusting. While he has a right (granted by the very gov't he hates so much) to make his comments, he is using the university as a forum to air these comments.
    If the university does not fire him, I hope enrollment plummets.



    [i][b]CU prof's essay sparks dispute Ward Churchill says 9/11 victims were not innocent people
    Rocky Mountain News ^ | January 27, 2005 | John C. Ensslin[/b][/i]
    A University of Colorado professor has sparked controversy in New York over an essay he wrote that maintains that people killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were not innocent victims.

    Students and faculty members at Hamilton College in Clinton, N.Y., have been protesting a speaking appearance on Feb. 3 by Ward L. Churchill, chairman of the CU Ethnic Studies Department.

    They are upset over an essay Churchill wrote titled, "Some People Push Back: On the Justice of Roosting Chickens."

    The essay takes its title from a remark that black activist Malcolm X made in the wake of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

    Malcolm X created controversy when he said Kennedy's murder was a case of "chickens coming home to roost."

    Churchill's essay argues that the Sept. 11 attacks were in retaliation for the Iraqi children killed in a 1991 U.S. bombing raid and by economic sanctions imposed on Iraq by the United Nations following the Persian Gulf War.

    The essay contends the hijackers who crashed airplanes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11 were "combat teams," not terrorists.

    It states: "The most that can honestly be said of those involved on Sept. 11 is that they finally responded in kind to some of what this country has dispensed to their people as a matter of course."

    The essay maintains that the people killed inside the Pentagon were "military targets."

    "As for those in the World Trade Center," the essay said, "well, really, let's get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break."

    The essay goes on to describe the victims as "little Eichmanns," referring to Adolph Eichmann, who executed Adolph Hitler's plan to exterminate Jews during World War II.

    Churchill said he was not especially surprised at the controversy at Hamilton, but he also defended the opinions contained in his essay.

    "When you kill 500,000 children in order to impose your will on other countries, then you shouldn't be surprised when somebody responds in kind," Churchill said.

    "If it's not comfortable, that's the point. It's not comfortable for the people on the other side, either."

    The attacks on Sept. 11, he said, were "a natural and inevitable consequence of what happens as a result of business as usual in the United States. Wake up."

    A longtime activist with the American Indian Movement, Churchill was one of eight defendants acquitted last week in Denver County Court on charges of disrupting Denver's Columbus Day parade.

    His pending speech at Hamilton has drawn criticism from professors and students, including Matt Coppo, a sophomore whose father died in the World Trade Center attacks.

    "His views are completely hurtful to the families of 3,000 people," Coppo said.

    A spokesman for Hamilton College released a statement noting that Hamilton is committed to "the free exchange of ideas. We expect that many of those who strongly disagree with Mr. Churchill's comments will attend his talk and make their views known."

    Controversial statements

    In his essay Some People Push Back: On the Justice of Roosting Chickens, CU professor Ward Churchill argues that:

    The Sept. 11 attacks were in retaliation for the Iraqi children who were killed in a 1991 bombing raid and for economic sanctions imposed on Iraq by the United Nations following the Persian Gulf War.

    Hijackers who crashed jets into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11 were "combat teams," not terrorists.

    The people killed inside the Pentagon were "military targets

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    Have you ever seen this dufus?

    He looks like Herman Munster in drag.

    [img]http://programs.uaa.alaska.edu/bartlett/images/churchil.gif[/img]

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    you know what I haven't read his stuff but what i do know the American Indian has gotten screwed worse than any ethnicity in America, and that continues today.

    keep that in mind when you hear about Ward Churchill... he's not an American that is betraying his country - he's a Native American who has an agenda. His agenda is not the same as anyone on this board, or in the mainstream. He is an indiginous person whose people are on the verge of extinction.

    Despite the casinos, the leading killer of Indian men living on reservations is still suicide (has been that way for as long as anyone kept track). The average life span of a reservation dwelling indian is about 25 years shorter than yours and mine.


    the US Army slaughtered his ancestors by the thousands ... google "trail of tears" sometime it&#39;s a real bright spot in American history. <_<

    ps- everyone says i love Clinton - when Clinton gave pardon to every two bit drug dealer he ever met and REFUSED pardon to Leonard Peltier my opinion of Clinton took a huge nosedive that has not recovered.

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    Surprised this guy is able to show is face in public without being ridiculed.

    This guy sickens me.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Feb 11 2005, 05:20 PM
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    keep that in mind when you hear about Ward Churchill... he&#39;s not an American that is betraying his country - he&#39;s a Native American who has an agenda. [/b][/quote]
    Well, a few things have come out in the past and today about Churchill...

    Churchill CLAIMS to be of native American descent, but there is no record to support this whatsoever. Normally, I&#39;d let this go, but he seems just unstable enough to make that sort of claim.

    He also illegally visited Khadafi a while back. Meeting with terrorists is not something I respect or take kindly to. I feel the same way about Hanoi Jane and Kerry.

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    Bitonti,

    You know the main demon in the American Indian&#39;s life on the reservation is alcoholism.

    Don&#39;t try shifting the blame to whitey because whitey&#39;s ancestors treated their ancestors horribly 130+ years ago.

    Speaking of Cop Outs.....

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by New England Hick[/i]@Feb 11 2005, 03:58 PM
    [b] Don&#39;t try shifting the blame to whitey because whitey&#39;s ancestors treated their ancestors horribly 130+ years ago.

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    [b]hick[/b] what blame did i try to shift? im not defending this man im just pointing out a little bit of historical context. i am willing to give the Indians a little more leeway because history speaks for itself on the subject. What the Americans did to the Indians wasn&#39;t "treating them horribly" - it was genocide, plain and simple.

    [b]Enrique Pallazzo[/b] i did not know he met with Khadafi... but isn&#39;t he one of our allies against the war on terror now?

    i still stand by my statement that this man is not operating as an American betraying his country - he clearly has his own agenda, and it&#39;s not the advancement of the USA as the #1 superpower in the world.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by New England Hick[/i]@Feb 11 2005, 05:58 PM
    [b] Bitonti,

    You know the main demon in the American Indian&#39;s life on the reservation is alcoholism.

    Don&#39;t try shifting the blame to whitey because whitey&#39;s ancestors treated their ancestors horribly 130+ years ago.

    Speaking of Cop Outs..... [/b][/quote]
    Well clearly alcoholism is the main demon, but I think you could point at the historical treatment of the native Americans as being at least partly responsible FOR the alcoholism. Even though the near extermination of that race happened 130+ years ago, the discrimination against them has continued since.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti+Feb 11 2005, 06:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (bitonti @ Feb 11 2005, 06:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-New England Hick[/i]@Feb 11 2005, 03:58 PM
    [b] Don&#39;t try shifting the blame to whitey because whitey&#39;s ancestors treated their ancestors horribly 130+ years ago.

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    [b]hick[/b] what blame did i try to shift? im not defending this man im just pointing out a little bit of historical context. i am willing to give the Indians a little more leeway because history speaks for itself on the subject. What the Americans did to the Indians wasn&#39;t "treating them horribly" - it was genocide, plain and simple.

    [b]Enrique Pallazzo[/b] i did not know he met with Khadafi... but isn&#39;t he one of our allies against the war on terror now?

    i still stand by my statement that this man is not operating as an American betraying his country - he clearly has his own agenda, and it&#39;s not the advancement of the USA as the #1 superpower in the world. [/b][/quote]
    The Khadafi meeting was announced today. Maybe it was reannounced, but I didn&#39;t know it prior to seeing it today. Khadafi claims to be our ally in the war on terror. Is he truly our ally? Is he just nervous after watching what we did in Afghanistan and Iraq? I mean... he decided to switch sides only after those invasions occurred. I&#39;m not sure I trust him on the whole "ally" thing. He IS a little on the nutty side. The meeting from what I understand took place PRIOR to Khadafi&#39;s leap from the dark side.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Feb 11 2005, 03:20 PM
    [b] you know what I haven&#39;t read his stuff but what i do know the American Indian has gotten screwed worse than any ethnicity in America, and that continues today.

    keep that in mind when you hear about Ward Churchill... he&#39;s not an American that is betraying his country - he&#39;s a Native American who has an agenda. His agenda is not the same as anyone on this board, or in the mainstream. He is an indiginous person whose people are on the verge of extinction.

    Despite the casinos, the leading killer of Indian men living on reservations is still suicide (has been that way for as long as anyone kept track). The average life span of a reservation dwelling indian is about 25 years shorter than yours and mine.


    the US Army slaughtered his ancestors by the thousands ... google "trail of tears" sometime it&#39;s a real bright spot in American history. <_<

    ps- everyone says i love Clinton - when Clinton gave pardon to every two bit drug dealer he ever met and REFUSED pardon to Leonard Peltier my opinion of Clinton took a huge nosedive that has not recovered. [/b][/quote]
    If he has such hatred for the US so as to say 3000 deserved to die, why does he still live here and more importantly accept American &#036;&#036;&#036;. If he were true to his cause, he would not play a part in a society he condemns.

    He is using 9/11 as a self-promotional device. Some humanitarian.

    Also Bit--even if you think using his native american background as some type of justification, what the hell did these 3000 people have to do with native vs non-native americans.

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    never did i try to defend or justify what this man is saying - all i am doing is pointing out some context

    it is possible to consider words in context without being an apologist or an enabler or whatever.

    this guy doesn&#39;t love our country - and in his mind, with good reason. He&#39;s not someone I would hold up high as an example of intelligent debate from the left.

    He&#39;s not even on the politcal spectrum, he&#39;s basically an anarchist. If anything this context makes him easier to marginalize, not tougher.

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    [quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Feb 11 2005, 03:20 PM
    [b] you know what I haven&#39;t read his stuff but what i do know the American Indian has gotten screwed worse than any ethnicity in America, and that continues today.

    keep that in mind when you hear about Ward Churchill... he&#39;s not an American that is betraying his country - he&#39;s a Native American who has an agenda. [/b][/quote]
    WRONG&#33; Churchill lied about being "1/16th" whatever Indian nation he claims to be from...native Americans themselves have come out and said this guy is lying as was posted by me (with links of course) in the original thread about this clown...he can say whatever he wants to but will also be held accountable for what he says.

    [quote][b]when Clinton gave pardon to every two bit drug dealer he ever met and REFUSED pardon to Leonard Peltier my opinion of Clinton took a huge nosedive that has not recovered. [/b][/quote]

    Pardoning Puerto Rican terrorists who set bombs off in NYC was not enough for you, eh???

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