I didnt mind the Houston trade but the San Antonio trade just didnt make sense. Why would he trade the a decent center and take on a terrible contract just to get the last pick in the draft. That is just a brutal trade
Originally posted by OneEyedWonder@Feb 24 2005, 04:15 PM
those deals last year sent us right off the edge, Van Horn was playing great for us last year and we haven't been the same since....could be just a coincidence.
Rose and Taylor play defense! They both come from the #1 and #2 defenses in the NBA in San Antonio and Houston. They were tought by Greg and Jeff Van Gundy. Nazr stinks and would never score if it werent for Marbury, he does nothing special.
We're over the cap either way and now have 3 first rounders.
Originally posted by jetsfreak10@Feb 24 2005, 02:18 PM Jesus...this is insane....Thomas is trying his very best to run this team into the ground. Unless im missing something, can someone please give me an "upside" to these deals?
upside is the 2 first round picks. that means 3 first round talents this year unless they are future picks. plus, honestly, its not like they were gonna win this year anyways. also, the only contributor they gave up was nazr mohammed.
isiah thomas is an idiot.....everyone who says hes a good gm just look at his past 5 trades they all make no sense whatsoever.......he was horrible in toronto........horrible in indiana and now is horrible with the knicks..........everyone said he was a good gm just becuase he made that trade for marbury......ask phoenix how that trade worked out for them
Originally posted by Ray Ray19@Feb 24 2005, 03:55 PM We got rid of TRASH in Moochie Norris, Vin Baker, and Jamison Brewer, and that is a bad trade?
We still have pawns to deal this coming off -season in Hardaway, Tim Thomas, and Kurt Thomas, Tim and Penny are entering their final year of their contracts, that is where the salary money will be returned. We bring in Rose, is is a solid role player, and Mo Taylor, who is still young and brings a better post presence than any player on our roster other than maybe Sweetney, and he is still green.
AND, we get two first round picks.
The Knicks would have been close to being under the cap in two seasons when Hardaway, Baker, Mohammed, and Thomas all came off the books. They may have been able to trade Hardaway, Mohammed or Thomas during the course of the season to speed it up as well to a playoff contender. Its doubtful any of the remaining two can be dealt in the offseason and you need to trade them away for exception money anyway unless you want a new big contract to take their place. Now they picked up Malik Rose who is under contract until 2008 and Taylor through 2007 and they have no first rounder in next seasons draft(2006). I just dont see how this can be seen as a good move. Neither Rose nor Taylor are any good to help a team like the Knicks. These are guys who fill out a decent team not make a bad team good. And the odds are against the two draft picks, especially one with a chance to be last in the 1st round, amounting to anything in the NBA. The Knicks need to get out of this cycle of taking big contracts every year from teams that dont want these players. And you really have to wonder when good coaches are letting guys walk like this off contending teams.
Originally posted by DireJet38@Feb 24 2005, 04:48 PM Hopefully they do trade up in the draft to get a big man. Preferably ANDREW BOGANS out of UTAH, this guy is a monster.
20.4 pts. per game 11.9 rebounds per game this year in college
14.8 pts. per game 8 rebounds per game on Australian National team in Greece.
good call...but Bogut is a top 3 pick for sure, maybe even #1. We need an athletic small forward like Warrick, who could be around with our lottery pick
Here are some guys Id love to scoop late in the 1st round:
Kennedy Winston 6'6 SG Alabama
Johan Petro 7'0 19 year old France (not Frederic Weis, this kids for real)
Rashad McCants 6'3 SG North Carolina
Nate Robinson 5'8 PG Washington
Ryan Gomes 6'8 SF Providence
Yes, the Knicks got good players in return, but they picked up $32 million dollars in contracts, not to mention Allan Houston and his gimp leg are still riding the pine, collecting and not contributing one iota.
What exactly are the Knicks doing? Seriously? They have the highest payroll in the league, and the team is below .500 in probably the weakest division in the NBA.
One word for you. DOLAN.
Dolan, ITT, etc have all had the same outlook. As long as you guys continue to buy tickets and show up for this mess, the Knicks and Rangers will blow. It's about trying to make the playoffs, win 50 games, not about rebuilding, which is what this team needs to do. They want the Garden filled, not empty, and are afraid of any prolonged losing.
Good luck, because things will be the same for a long time.....