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    Unfreggin Believable: Clinton Lawyers Fretted Over Bin Laden's Comfort

    [B]Clinton Lawyers Fretted Over Bin Laden's Comfort[/B]

    The CIA's former Bin Laden desk chief revealed Thursday night that Clinton administration lawyers warned counterterrorism agents that Osama bin Laden had to be kept as comfortable as possible if they captured him during planned raids into Afghanistan.

    "The lawyers were more concerned with bin Laden`s safety and his comfort than they were with the officers charged with capturing him," former Bin Laden desk chief Michael Scheuer told MSNBC's "Hardball".

    "We had to build an ergonomically designed chair to put him in, [for] special comfort in terms of how he was shackled into the chair," Scheuer explained. "They even worried about what kind of tape to gag him with so it wouldn`t irritate his beard."

    "The lawyers are the bane of the intelligence community," the former CIA man lamented.

    Concerns like that, as well as foot dragging by the White House, resulted in one missed opportunity after another to get the al Qaida terror mastermind, Scheuer said.

    "We had at least eight to 10 chances to capture or kill Osama bin Laden in 1998 and 1999. And the government on all occasions decided that the information was not good enough to act," he claimed.

    Although sharply critical of President Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq , the CIA counterterrorism specialist put the blame for bin Laden's escape firmly on Mr. Clinton.

    "In terms of which administration had more chances, Mr. Clinton`s administration had far more chances to kill Osama bin Laden than Mr. Bush has until this day," Scheuer said.


    [url]http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/19/103756.shtml[/url]

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]
    Although sharply critical of President Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq , the CIA counterterrorism specialist put the blame for bin Laden's escape firmly on Mr. Clinton.
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    I agree 100% with both sides of that statement.

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    The lib mindset....

    Keep animals who cut off people's heads as comfortable as possible..

    While American soldiers live off c-rations, terrorists are supposed to get three hot meals a day.

    While American soldiers are assigned to sleep six in cramped quarters, animals that cut people's heads off have their own private cages.

    While American soldiers are fighting a war in full body armor in 120 heat, animals that cut people's heads off and are used to that 120 degree heat, must be given air conditioning to keep the 82 degree carribean breezes at bay....

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    [QUOTE=New England Hick]The lib mindset....

    Keep animals who cut off people's heads as comfortable as possible..

    While American soldiers live off c-rations, terrorists are supposed to get three hot meals a day.

    While American soldiers are assigned to sleep six in cramped quarters, animals that cut people's heads off have their own private cages.

    While American soldiers are fighting a war in full body armor in 120 heat, animals that cut people's heads off and are used to that 120 degree heat, must be given air conditioning to keep the 82 degree carribean breezes at bay....[/QUOTE]

    That means nothing as liberal elitists like section 109 will tell you....soldiers are basically between the ages of 18-24 with limited higher eduction and though maybe swell guys they are a little[URL=http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/showpost.php?p=837671&postcount=21]naive[/URL]......

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    Ahhhhhh liberalism.

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    Well this article sums up Bit's long sought answer to we'll we win this war.

    Politics will prevent the USA from achieving anything to remotely improve it's fate. We will worry over health care and education for illegals, comfort of murderers, freedom of speech for traitors. It's a hopeless situation, and the only thing that will change it is the elimination of political correctness.

    I'm actually shocked that our government would think along these lines during any administration.

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    [QUOTE]It's a hopeless situation, and the only thing that will change it is the elimination of political correctness[/QUOTE]

    There is certainly some truth in that. As long as we have groups like the aclu, who will litigate cases on behalf on illegals because they are "persons" entitled to Constitutional protections, PC wont go away.

    As for Clinton wanting obl to be comfortable, that's not surprising coming from the spouse of the New york Senator who planted a kiss on Arafat's wife as she was making a speech about Israelis using blood to make pastries.

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    [QUOTE=Jetcane]There is certainly some truth in that. As long as we have groups like the aclu, who will litigate cases on behalf on illegals because they are "persons" entitled to Constitutional protections, PC wont go away.

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    never mind politicians like dick-head durbin of Illinois....

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    [B]Pre-9/11 U.S. Attempts to Drive Bin Laden Out of Afghanistan [/B]

    Washington, August 18, 2005 - The U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan told a top Taliban official in September 2000 that the U.S. "was not out to destroy the Taliban," but the "UBL [Osama bin Laden] issue is supremely important," according to declassified documents posted today by the National Security Archive. The documents, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, show how years of U.S. diplomacy with the Taliban, combined with pressure on Pakistan, and attempts to employ Saudi cooperation still failed to compel the Taliban to expel bin Laden.

    Harboring bin Laden, but hesitant to sever diplomatic ties with the U.S. completely, the Taliban claimed there was insufficient evidence to convict bin Laden of terrorism, going so far as to say that Saddam Hussein was behind the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam.

    The newly declassified documents also show that State Department officials rejected Taliban claims that the U.S. supported bin Laden during the Soviet occupation. U.S. officials clarify that, although Osama bin Laden may have fought with other U.S.-funded anti-Soviet resistance groups in Afghanistan, "we had never heard his name during that period and did not support him at that time."

    ------------- Document 1 - Islama 07510 U.S. Embassy (Islamabad), Cable, "Pakistan: Ambassador Raises bin Laden with Foreign Secretary Shamshad Ahmed" [B]October 6, 1998[/B], Secret, 2 pp. [Excised]

    U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan William B. Milam discusses Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden with Pakistan Foreign Secretary Shamshad Ahmed. The Ambassador states that although there are a number of "sticking points in our relationship [with the Taliban] which we are willing to discuss, preeminently the status of women and girls, there was one issue on which we had no flexibility. This was the presence of Osama bin Laden and his organization in Afghanistan."

    Ambassador Milam asks for Pakistan's help on the bin Laden issue and stresses "that U.S. patience was growing thin" and bin Laden's extradition was something the U.S. needed to have[B] "settled 'in a matter of days' rather than weeks or months."[/B]

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    reminds you of the expresssion "Actions talk and BS......"

    [url]http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB134/index2.htm[/url]
    Last edited by Come Back to NY; 08-19-2005 at 12:07 PM.

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    [QUOTE=jetswin]Well this article sums up Bit's long sought answer to we'll we win this war.

    Politics will prevent the USA from achieving anything to remotely improve it's fate. [/QUOTE]

    wah wah wah

    hey i hate to break the news to you guys but the Clinton administration has been over for 5 years.

    As of RIGHT NOW the GOP controls every branch of governement - the white house, both houses of congress and the Supreme Court.

    If you have a criticism it's not the democrats fault - how can it be the fault of the democrats when these people have no real power?

    it's like the boogyman you guys keep harping over the evil left wing agenda meanwhile there isn't a liberal in the land who has real impact on the federal government - and it's been this way for over half a decade. Youve won. At some point the whining should stop.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]That means nothing as liberal elitists like section 109 will tell you....soldiers are basically between the ages of 18-24 with limited higher eduction and though maybe swell guys they are a little[url="http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/showpost.php?p=837671&postcount=21"]naive[/url]......[/QUOTE]

    All true, what relavence does that have to this topic though?

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    [QUOTE=Section109Row15]All true, what relavence does that have to this topic though?[/QUOTE]

    quite relevant as I was answering Hicks post as to the difference in treatment given by liberals between soldiers and terrorists...hence I gave him the reason why using your example...any other questions?

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]quite relevant as I was answering Hicks post as to the difference in treatment given by liberals between soldiers and terrorists...hence I gave him the reason why using your example...any other questions?[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, if a tree falls in the woods, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

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    [QUOTE=Section109Row15]Yeah, if a tree falls in the woods, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?[/QUOTE]

    I could care less....but if Americans are attacked by terrorists do liberals attack the attackers or ask "what did we do to deserve this??"

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    [QUOTE]As of RIGHT NOW the GOP controls every branch of governement - the white house, both houses of congress and the Supreme Court. [/QUOTE]

    Hey BIT

    No the GOP is not responsible. lets blame the liberal media its all there fault.

    An another note. The war in Iraq could be going better if we weren't spread so thin. This is exactly what the repukes used against Clinton when he went to Somolia and other simultanious peace keeping missions.

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    An another note. The war in Iraq could be going better if we weren't spread so thin. This is exactly what the repukes used against Clinton when he went to Somolia and other simultanious peace keeping missions.[/QUOTE]


    yes and remember when George Bush called nationbuilding irresponsible in his 2000 campaign debates (and all of his supporters vigorously agreed)?

    apparently nation building is only wrong when the other side does it. when Bush does it, why that makes sense and it's gonna work!

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]yes and remember when George Bush called nationbuilding irresponsible in his 2000 campaign debates (and all of his supporters vigorously agreed)?

    apparently nation building is only wrong when the other side does it. when Bush does it, why that makes sense and it's gonna work![/QUOTE]

    He couldn't uphold that promise because he was too busy upholding his other promise of being fiscally conservative.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]wah wah wah

    hey i hate to break the news to you guys but the Clinton administration has been over for 5 years.

    As of RIGHT NOW the GOP controls every branch of governement - the white house, both houses of congress and the Supreme Court.

    If you have a criticism it's not the democrats fault - how can it be the fault of the democrats when these people have no real power?

    it's like the boogyman you guys keep harping over the evil left wing agenda meanwhile there isn't a liberal in the land who has real impact on the federal government - and it's been this way for over half a decade. Youve won. At some point the whining should stop.[/QUOTE]

    Feeling overly defensive?
    I didn't whine, save the wah wah's for someone else...and btw I said [B][I]politics[/I][/B] would prevent the USA from improving it's fate, not lefties not righties, politics, and political correctness. Both parties are responsible.

    Now it's time for me to pack for a week with the Clintonistas out in East Hampton. :D

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    Yes that is pretty bad alright but let's look at what happened right after 9/11 shall we? Even when all flights were still grounded the US government let the whole Bin Laden clan that was in the USA fly back to Saudi Arabia. No questioning of them, no investigation of them just a free get of jail free card. Virtually no one else in the country could fly.

    To look at Bin Laden and his activities one should go way back to the Russian Afghan war and see what kind of training, support, arms and possible money he recieved and from whom. The republicans supportes blame the democrats, the democrats blame the republicans, the blame needs to be shared by the government and other governments in the world no matter who was in charge.

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    [QUOTE=Beerfish]Yes that is pretty bad alright but let's look at what happened right after 9/11 shall we? Even when all flights were still grounded the US government let the whole Bin Laden clan that was in the USA fly back to Saudi Arabia. No questioning of them, no investigation of them just a free get of jail free card. Virtually no one else in the country could fly.

    To look at Bin Laden and his activities one should go way back to the Russian Afghan war and see what kind of training, support, arms and possible money he recieved and from whom. The republicans supportes blame the democrats, the democrats blame the republicans, the blame needs to be shared by the government and other governments in the world no matter who was in charge.[/QUOTE]

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