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Thread: Why are People So down on Hollywood Opinions?

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    Why are People So down on Hollywood Opinions?

    I don't get this. Why does it bother people so much when actors express their views? Does it get more airplay than a regular guy on the street's views? Sure, because they're famous. Does it deserve more airplay, from a purely political theory standpoint? Not necessarily, though I'm sure there are more than a few actors who are actually intellectual heavyweights, to balance out the vast majority who seem to be lightweights. But why does it bother people so much when Susan Sarandon, or Martin Sheen, or Tim McGraw weighs in on politics?

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    Personally, my annoyance is with the media. What makes them think that a famous actor or musician has any more credibility as a political activist or spokesperson than the average Joe?

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    because they don't agree with them. This forum is by my best guess 4 to 1 Con to lib ratio. They like who agrees with them, they hate who doesn't.

    Make no mistake, these same people have no problem when Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwartznegger or Mel Gibson use their fame to forward political agenda.

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    Probably because most of them have spent more time in drug rehab centers then college classrooms yet feel qualified to tell everyone how the country should be run because they sell lots of albums or make millions on movies...

    the reason I don't like them is, like most liberals they are complete hypocrites!

    "Let's save the enviroment"..they say as limousines chauffuer them to events or they fly in private jets....


    "Corporate greed, coporate evil"...they say even though million dollar corporations finance their entertainment ventures...

    "Help the poor".....they shout behind the walls of multi-million dollar estates.
    Last edited by Come Back to NY; 08-30-2005 at 11:32 AM.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]Probably because most of them have spent more time in drug rehab centers then college classrooms.....[/QUOTE]

    Guess that disqualifies Rush Limbaugh too. :D

    This forum is 75%+ Conservative. If you consider INTELLIGENT posters, this forum is 95% Conservative.

    Hollywood/Music Industry is 90%+ Liberal, 50%+ of which espouses extreme Liberalism, borderline Communism/Socialism.

    You do the math as to why this forum complains about Actors and Rock Stars so much.
    Last edited by Warfish; 08-30-2005 at 11:31 AM.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]because they don't agree with them. This forum is by my best guess 4 to 1 Con to lib ratio. They like who agrees with them, they hate who doesn't.

    Make no mistake, these same people have no problem when Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwartznegger or Mel Gibson use their fame to forward political agenda.[/QUOTE]

    Here's the difference...an obvious one but something libs/leftists like yourself convieniently dismiss.....Arnold and Ronald Reagan put their poltical agenda in front of the public and let America vote on it...unlike Rob Riener, Martin Sheehan, Jessica Lang, Janinie Garafolo, Michael Moore-on, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Harry Belafonte, Danny Glover, Al Sharpton, ...and so on and so on and so on and so on....

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    [QUOTE=Warfish][B]Guess that disqualifies Rush Limbaugh too.[/B]

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    Completely wrong in so many respects....it is beyond me to defend Limbaugh but the obvious response is Limbaugh does not make movies or records or star on TV....he speaks politics and if people did not want to hear what he had to say his ratings would suck (er....like Err America)..

    Who would buy a CD of Limbaugh singing country music??

    Who would PAY to hear Martin Sheehan talk about foriegn policy in America.

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    it's not as cut and dried as that. Drew Carey, Ron Silver, Patricia Heaton, Ivan Reitman, have all been outspoken Hollywood Republicans that did not put their views to the voting public. There are alot of closet republicans in LA - where it's fashionable to be liberal but it's often just a show - like scientology or kaballa.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]Here's the difference...an obvious one but something libs/leftists like yourself convieniently dismiss.....Arnold and Ronald Reagan put their poltical agenda in front of the public and let America vote on it...unlike Rob Riener, Martin Sheehan, Jessica Lang, Janinie Garafolo, Michael Moore-on, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Harry Belafonte, Danny Glover, Al Sharpton, ...and so on and so on and so on and so on....[/QUOTE]


    I do not beleive that is correct CB. The American Public gets to "vote" on these celebrities (and their views) all the time. Every movie, album or TV show they release gets "voted on" by the public in the form of viewership/listenership and the income it generates. And many (most) of these liberal celebrities are VERY open in their political viewpoints, in the form of their comments, support for groups, and politcal actions.

    I certainly understand, and partially agree with, your dislike of Hollywood based on politcal viewpoint, but trying to claim they are somehow secretive about their liberalism, or that the Public has no way of "Shouting down" a celebrity with extremist liberal views, is simply factually incorrect. The truth of the matter is that the general American Public simply doesn't CARE enough to do so. At least not yet....

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]it's not as cut and dried as that. Drew Carey, Ron Silver, Patricia Heaton, Ivan Reitman, have all been outspoken Hollywood Republicans that did not put their views to the voting public. There are alot of closet republicans in LA - where it's fashionable to be liberal but it's often just a show - like scientology or kaballa.[/QUOTE]

    It's as cut and dry as it will ever be when you state Arnold and Ronald Reagan, to men elected freely at the polls, use their fame to forward a political agenda....and by the way, as much as i like Reagan, he was a "B" movie actor at best...

    As for the rest you've mentioned above- their political views get a FRACTION of the coverage as those I've listed from the liberal MSM.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]Completely wrong in so many respects....it is beyond me to defend Limbaugh but the obvious response is Limbaugh does not make movies or records or star on TV....he speaks politics and if people did not want to hear what he had to say his ratings would suck (er....like Err America)..

    Who would buy a CD of Limbaugh singing country music??

    Who would PAY to hear Martin Sheehan talk about foriegn policy in America.[/QUOTE]

    First, no one "pays" to hear Rush, his show is completely free to all. Second, you're arguing semantics. You claimed celebrities views are invalid specifically because "they spend more time in Drug rehab than College", and that criticism applies equally to Rush Limbaugh, who calls himself an "entertainer" all the time (it's his way of being able to criticise the media as leftist when he is clearly a big part of the media himself).

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]First, no one "pays" to hear Rush, his show is completely free to all. Second, you're arguing semantics. You claimed celebrities views are invalid specifically because "they spend more time in Drug rehab than College", and that criticism applies equally to Rush Limbaugh, who calls himself an "entertainer" all the time (it's his way of being able to criticise the media as leftist when he is clearly a big part of the media himself).[/QUOTE]

    No one pays for Limbaugh, true, but he makes his money on advertising and were he not pulling in ratings he would not be making big money contracts...

    And again, while I don't want to defend Limbaugh cause I think he goes a little ooverboard (specifically, the same thing I accuse the rats of now- all complaints/no alternatives- Limbaugh was guilty of in the 90's) I'm sure his education-vs-drug stay ratio's are much better then most of the entertainers we've mentioned.

    [QUOTE]I do not beleive that is correct CB. The American Public gets to "vote" on these celebrities (and their views) all the time. Every movie, album or TV show they release gets "voted on" by the public in the form of viewership/listenership and the income it generates. And many (most) of these liberal celebrities are VERY open in their political viewpoints, in the form of their comments, support for groups, and politcal actions.[/QUOTE]

    We can argue about this all day but look at how badly the box office is doing at movie theatres....

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    I think it's the way many of them express their opinions. Most people respect opposing political views that are well thought out and presented respectfully. But when Green Day comes out w/ an album called "American Idiot", or Whoopie Goldberg gets drunk and makes crude sexual remarks about the president at a Kerry fund raiser, they instantly lose credibility. I'm sure there are a few hollywood celebrities on the left who are respectful (although I can't think of any right now), but most of them come across as shrill and hateful.

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    [QUOTE=kevin45]I think it's the way many of them express their opinions. Most people respect opposing political views that are well thought out and presented respectfully. But when Green Day comes out w/ an album called "American Idiot", or Whoopie Goldberg gets drunk and makes crude sexual remarks about the president at a Kerry fund raiser, they instantly lose credibility. I'm sure there are a few hollywood celebrities on the left who are respectful (although I can't think of any right now), but most of them come across as shrill and hateful.[/QUOTE]

    That's is in a nutshell....Richard Dreyfuess is a huge lib but he has a lot of class and does not prance around calling the President of the U.S. an idiot (or I've never heard him say that)...

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]No one pays for Limbaugh, true, but he makes his money on advertising and were he not pulling in ratings he would not be making big money contracts...

    And again, while I don't want to defend Limbaugh cause I think he goes a little ooverboard (specifically, the same thing I accuse the rats of now- all complaints/no alternatives- Limbaugh was guilty of in the 90's) I'm sure his education-vs-drug stay ratio's are much better then most of the entertainers we've mentioned.



    We can argue about this all day but look at how badly the box office is doing at movie theatres....[/QUOTE]

    The problem with that is simple and two-fold:

    --Most Actors do not persue a traditional education, as it rarely helps them reach their goal of becoming an actor.

    --And the vast majority of college educations do not have ANY relevance to the discussion of Politcs. Unless the degree is in Political Science, or perhaps in Psychology and/or Human Behavior and/or Media, it is likely irrelevant to the debate of Politics is comparison to anyone else.

    And in point of fact, Limbaugh is effectively uneducated, University wise. See his entry on Wikipedia: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh[/url]

    "He attended Southeast Missouri State University for one year then dropped out."

    So I think it's clear that Limbaughs record of Drug-Rehab vs. Education is at least equivalent to many Liberal celebrities, and is in fact worse than quite a few.

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    "Richard Dreyfuess is a huge lib but he has a lot of class and does not prance around calling the President of the U.S. an idiot (or I've never heard him say that)..."

    Good to hear since "Let it Ride" is one of my all time favorite movies.

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    [QUOTE=kevin45]"Richard Dreyfuess is a huge lib but he has a lot of class and does not prance around calling the President of the U.S. an idiot (or I've never heard him say that)..."

    Good to hear since "Let it Ride" is one of my all time favorite movies.[/QUOTE]


    One word: Jaws

    Best....Movie.....Ever. Other than that, I'm not a Dryfuess fan at all.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]The problem with that is simple and two-fold:

    --Most Actors do not persue a traditional education, as it rarely helps them reach their goal of becoming an actor.

    --And the vast majority of college educations do not have ANY relevance to the discussion of Politcs. Unless the degree is in Political Science, or perhaps in Psychology and/or Human Behavior and/or Media, it is likely irrelevant to the debate of Politics is comparison to anyone else.

    And in point of fact, Limbaugh is effectively uneducated, University wise. See his entry on Wikipedia: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh[/url]

    "He attended Southeast Missouri State University for one year then dropped out."

    So I think it's clear that Limbaughs record of Drug-Rehab vs. Education is at least equivalent to many Liberal celebrities, and is in fact worse than quite a few.[/QUOTE]

    Add to that the fact that few of them actually had to work for a living and you have the perfect equation for an 'all criticism/no solution' type of liberal.

    And while the semantic difference exists for Limbaugh that he is a celebrity because of his political views, even though I am conservative in philosophy, I don't assign hi any more credibility than any other talking head, either in media or Hollywood. Same with Hannity etc.

    Sorry to blow up your stereotype, Bit. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=Piper]
    Sorry to blow up your stereotype, Bit. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    wasn't my stereotype.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]wasn't my stereotype.[/QUOTE]

    Sorry, wasn't this your quote

    [QUOTE=bitonti]because they don't agree with them. This forum is by my best guess 4 to 1 Con to lib ratio. They like who agrees with them, they hate who doesn't.[/QUOTE]

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