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    Castro... a good person?

    [URL=http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16477519-1702,00.html]http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16477519-1702,00.html[/URL]

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    There must be too many Doctors in Cuba. Send 1,100 and maybe 50 will return.

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    I don't know if he is a good person or not, but he must be 150 years old and he looks the same as he did in the revolution.

    Must be those cigars. George Burns lived a long time and he smoked cigars constantly. Hmmmm

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    A man who stopped the elitist corruption that literally starved the country's populace for years upon years IS A GREAT MAN.

    The reason he can contribute so many doctors is because under Socialist Cuba EVERYONE gets a top-notch education. It's not only reserved for the elite rich like it is here in the US.

    Every dictator is abusive in terms of censorship, and that can not be commended, but - US economic sanctions and embargos aside - Cuban people are FAR better off in an egalitarian sense then before under Bautista. DO your research before you judge.

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    [QUOTE=Gas2No99]A man who stopped the elitist corruption that literally starved the country's populace for years upon years IS A GREAT MAN.

    The reason he can contribute so many doctors is because under Socialist Cuba EVERYONE gets a top-notch education. It's not only reserved for the elite rich like it is here in the US.

    Every dictator is abusive in terms of censorship, and that can not be commended, but - US economic sanctions and embargos aside - Cuban people are FAR better off in an egalitarian sense then before under Bautista. DO your research before you judge.[/QUOTE]

    Yes sir Comrade. :rolleyes:

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    when castro finally buys the farm, we will see the largest street party ever in miami.

    i have many friends and acquaintances in miami of cuban descent, and i defer to their opinion that he is a despicable pos.

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    [QUOTE=Gas2No99]A man who stopped the elitist corruption that literally starved the country's populace for years upon years IS A GREAT MAN.

    The reason he can contribute so many doctors is because under Socialist Cuba EVERYONE gets a top-notch education. It's not only reserved for the elite rich like it is here in the US.

    Every dictator is abusive in terms of censorship, and that can not be commended, but - US economic sanctions and embargos aside - Cuban people are FAR better off in an egalitarian sense then before under Bautista. DO your research before you judge.[/QUOTE]


    Then why are so many of the Cuban citizens dying in the oceans on makeshift rafts just to get the hell out? Seriously, if cuba is so great why do they all want out?

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    [QUOTE=JetFanTransplant]Then why are so many of the Cuban citizens dying in the oceans on makeshift rafts just to get the hell out? Seriously, if cuba is so great why do they all want out?[/QUOTE]

    Cuba not so great....

    Castro, not as bad as he's portrayed.....

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    I'm probably one of the few people who post here that has actually been to Cuba and I've seen how the country/people lives and functions.

    I've also been to other Caribbean countries, and I can honestly say after comparing both, in many ways the people of Cuba are better off than many in 'Democratic' societies in the same area.

    In many ways, Castro's revolution worked and provided the country with the necessities of life and a strong educational and health care base to move their nation into the future. However, the benefits that revolution are starting to be outstripped by the negatives as the country marches forward in it's development. The strict communist controls are no longer needed to effect the change things, a western-market economy is the next step for Cuba.

    What I found interesting was the fact that there was no 'Cult of Personality' outwardly visible in the country. No pictures of Castro on walls, and no statues etc. If anything, the person who was more visible to the public was Che Guevara.

    Once Castro dies, I believe Cuba will have a fairly quick and peaceful change to a semi-democratic government.

    While no BoyScout, I think for the most part Castro has been demonized by successive America administrations. I do believe the man is genuinely convinced he is doing the best possible thing for the Cuban people and nation. In the somewhat dubious list of dictators, I would say he's different in that regard.

    Overall, I think the biggest mistake in American policy regarding Cuba, has been taking the 'stick' rather than 'carrot' approach after the fall of Soviet/Eastern Bloc Communism. I think if the USA had engaged Cuba rather than continued to isolate it, the country would be much closer to what most people want it to be today.

    However, it seems that everyone in Washington/Corporate America is still pissed about old Fidel screwing them so many years ago. These days, he's simply an old Lion with no teeth.

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    [QUOTE=Gas2No99]A man who stopped the elitist corruption that literally starved the country's populace for years upon years IS A GREAT MAN.

    The reason he can contribute so many doctors is because under Socialist Cuba EVERYONE gets a top-notch education. It's not only reserved for the elite rich like it is here in the US.

    Every dictator is abusive in terms of censorship, and that can not be commended, but - US economic sanctions and embargos aside - Cuban people are FAR better off in an egalitarian sense then before under Bautista. DO your research before you judge.[/QUOTE]


    Another brainwashing victim checks in, courtesy of liberal "educators". :rolleyes:

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    Just remember that in America in 2005 if you have a different viewpoint on a topic its because youve been brainwashed. you cannot possibly think for yourself and make your opinion. you Americans are too dumb for that. :rolleyes:

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    By the way....catro is not a good person....im sure he is relishing in the fact that the US has suffered a major tragedy and the fact that he is offering help is an attempt to show up the US. the guy was letting the Soviets put nukes in his country which wouldve destroyed a large portion of our country! If his way was so much better than why wouldnt he just let his people decide if they wanted to leave then leave, no problem. Why do people have to risk death to leave?

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    [QUOTE=CaliJetsFan]By the way....catro is not a good person....im sure he is relishing in the fact that the US has suffered a major tragedy and the fact that he is offering help is an attempt to show up the US. the guy was letting the Soviets put nukes in his country which wouldve destroyed a large portion of our country! If his way was so much better than why wouldnt he just let his people decide if they wanted to leave then leave, no problem. Why do people have to risk death to leave?[/QUOTE]

    The Cuban missle crisis.... please. Lamest arguement ever!

    The Soviets putting Nukes in Cuba was no different than the American/NATO forces putting hundreds of Nukes in West Germany. (Which was done at the time) With the advent of the submarine as a nuclear platform, the sites in Cuba meant next to nothing anyway. Why worry about those when the commies could simply park a sub 100 miles off the coast of Manhattan and do the exact same thing.

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    My point was he hates the US. and in the 60's putting missile sites up so close was as much a psychological threat as well as a physical threat. When americans heard missiles were less than 50 miles from their shores there was fear and panic. I was not alive but my parents were and to hear their stories of the "13 days" was pretty bad. Our missile sites in western europe were to protect the pro-west countries by showing a display of force, which worked by the way. Remember after WW2 the Soviets grabbed as many countries as they could to form the eastern bloc which could be looked at 2 ways. 1-they wanted these countries to "insulate" themselves from another devastating siege if another war breaks out, giving themselves a cushion so to speak. or 2, they were just greedy and wanted as many spoils from the was as possible. The US saw scenario number 2, especially after the berlin airdrops which opened their eyes. "An iron curtain has descended across eastern europe", Churchill. they saw the soviets as a threat so hence the eventual missile sites. Is Cuba a threat to us now? No...and when Castro finally dies the new government will form some sort of democratic economy and i suppose attempt to open trade with the US again, which will probably deal with Cuba again after Castro dies but never before then.

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    [QUOTE=broadwayjoe2]I'm probably one of the few people who post here that has actually been to Cuba and I've seen how the country/people lives and functions.

    I've also been to other Caribbean countries, and I can honestly say after comparing both, in many ways the people of Cuba are better off than many in 'Democratic' societies in the same area.

    In many ways, Castro's revolution worked and provided the country with the necessities of life and a strong educational and health care base to move their nation into the future. However, the benefits that revolution are starting to be outstripped by the negatives as the country marches forward in it's development. The strict communist controls are no longer needed to effect the change things, a western-market economy is the next step for Cuba.

    What I found interesting was the fact that there was no 'Cult of Personality' outwardly visible in the country. No pictures of Castro on walls, and no statues etc. If anything, the person who was more visible to the public was Che Guevara.

    Once Castro dies, I believe Cuba will have a fairly quick and peaceful change to a semi-democratic government.

    While no BoyScout, I think for the most part Castro has been demonized by successive America administrations. I do believe the man is genuinely convinced he is doing the best possible thing for the Cuban people and nation. In the somewhat dubious list of dictators, I would say he's different in that regard.

    Overall, I think the biggest mistake in American policy regarding Cuba, has been taking the 'stick' rather than 'carrot' approach after the fall of Soviet/Eastern Bloc Communism. I think if the USA had engaged Cuba rather than continued to isolate it, the country would be much closer to what most people want it to be today.

    However, it seems that everyone in Washington/Corporate America is still pissed about old Fidel screwing them so many years ago. These days, he's simply an old Lion with no teeth.[/QUOTE]

    VERY well said. You are accurate on every point.

    and for that other post, it's not brainswashing, it's knowing your convictions and identifying others who share it.
    :cool:

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    [QUOTE=Jetcane]when castro finally buys the farm, we will see the largest street party ever in miami.

    i have many friends and acquaintances in miami of cuban descent, and i defer to their opinion that he is a despicable pos.[/QUOTE]


    Castro had ggod intentions when he led his intervention. Alot of people that left for Miami at first were the wealthy associates of the fallen regime. Since then others leave for numerous reasons. I would not categorize Castro as good but Cuba was really in dire straits when he took over. At one point b/f Castro took over American companies owned 70% of the sugar farms in Cuba, needless to say that is there strongest export.
    Castro nationalized them therefore the US and those that left did not like seeing their buisnesses nationalized Result: UsA hates Castro, also because looks to Soviets/communist/socialist model and us does not want that in there backyard. Cuba population was in dire poverty and in need of a revolution not sure Castro was the best option but that country needed something different.
    Positives of Cuba- Best healthcare system in the developing world and best education system in devloping world.
    Negative- Dictatorship/censorship and everything that comes with it.
    I guess to some that were strarving there under and living in absolute poverty under the old regime he is a hero to others a ruthless pos guess it depends on your lot in life determines whether he is a saint or a villan.

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    [QUOTE=glennobr]Castro had ggod intentions when he led his intervention. Alot of people that left for Miami at first were the wealthy associates of the fallen regime. Since then others leave for numerous reasons. I would not categorize Castro as good but Cuba was really in dire straits when he took over. At one point b/f Castro took over American companies owned 70% of the sugar farms in Cuba, needless to say that is there strongest export.
    Castro nationalized them therefore the US and those that left did not like seeing their buisnesses nationalized Result: UsA hates Castro, also because looks to Soviets/communist/socialist model and us does not want that in there backyard. Cuba population was in dire poverty and in need of a revolution not sure Castro was the best option but that country needed something different.
    Positives of Cuba- Best healthcare system in the developing world and best education system in devloping world.
    Negative- Dictatorship/censorship and everything that comes with it.
    I guess to some that were strarving there under and living in absolute poverty under the old regime he is a hero to others a ruthless pos guess it depends on your lot in life determines whether he is a saint or a villan.[/QUOTE]

    Well said. I am of Latin American descent and like a large portion of them I see him as dictator. But unlike some of the bums we support in Latin America, he at least has done some positives for his country. The elite Cubans who ran from Cuba did so because they knew he would take their wealth from them and they would be just as low as the common black in Cuba. Unfortunatly with the positives come the nastiness of his government. Rights and freedom were taken away because he knew that it would lead to his overthrow. Like Russia this country will eventually join the ranks of freedom.

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