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    Naggin's response? Send NO cops to Vegas!

    [B]City to Offer Free Trips to Las Vegas for Officers[/B]

    NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 4 - A day after two police suicides and the abrupt resignations or desertions of up to 200 police officers, defiant city officials on Sunday began offering five-day vacations - and even trips to Las Vegas - to the police, firefighters and city emergency workers and their families.

    The idea of paid vacations was raised by both Mayor C. Ray Nagin and senior police officials who said that their forces were exhausted and traumatized and that the arrival of the National Guard had made way for the officers to be relieved.

    "I'm very concerned about individuals who have been here, particularly since the first few days, and have been through a lot of hardship," Mr. Nagin said in an interview.

    He said most of the police officers, firefighters and emergency medical workers "are starting to show signs of very, very serious stress, and this is a way to give them time to reunite with their families."

    Mr. Nagin, who has been demanding more federal assistance for days as his city struggled with despair, death and flooding, said he had asked the Federal Emergency Management Agency to pay for the trips but the agency said it could not. He said the city, therefore, would pay the costs.

    He said he believed there were now enough National Guard members in the city to allow the police to take a break and still keep the city secure, and he brushed off questions about whether such a trip might look like a dereliction of duty.

    "I'll take the heat on that," Mr. Nagin said. "We want to cater to them."

    His words were seconded by the police superintendent, P. Edwin Compass III, in a separate interview. "When you go through something this devastating and traumatic," Mr. Compass said, "you've got to do something dramatic to jump-start the healing process."

    The officials were planning to send 1,500 workers out in two shifts for five days each. They are sending them to Las Vegas because of the availability of hotel rooms and to Atlanta because many of them had relatives there.

    They said that they were trying to get the first officers on their way on Monday and that the first stop would be Baton Rouge, about 75 miles from here.

    There the officers will be given physical examinations and inoculations against possible infection from the polluted floodwaters, said Col. Terry Ebbert, the director of homeland security for the city, who has authority over the police and fire departments and other emergency services.

    Then, Colonel Ebbert and other officials said, those who want to go to Las Vegas or Atlanta will be given air transportation and a hotel room. The city is reserving hotel rooms in Baton Rouge, they said, adding that the officers and firefighters may also be given the choice of flying to other cities.

    Colonel Ebbert, the senior official running the recovery and rescue operation, and Mr. Compass both said that they planned to take a break as well, but probably for less than five days, and that they would continue to direct the recovery by telephone.

    Officials said they expected the military, with much greater resources, to expand rescue work, begin cleaning up the city and take the first steps toward reconstruction.

    W. J. Riley, the deputy superintendent of police, said that by late Sunday afternoon more than 2,900 National Guard members and law enforcement officers from around the country were operating in New Orleans. By early evening, Mr. Riley said, the advance units of a 2,200-person force from the 82nd Airborne Division had landed.

    Several thousand more soldiers were expected, including members of the First Cavalry Division.

    Reinforcements are also expected for the fire department. Senior firefighters, who have been forced to ignore some fires and to try merely to keep the worst blazes from spreading, said that several hundred firefighters with fire engines and radio equipment were heading for New Orleans from departments around the country.

    New Orleans officials said they would remain in charge. Mr. Riley, who has been on the police force for 24 years, will oversee the police department in the superintendent's absence.

    "We haven't turned over control of the city," Colonel Ebbert said.

    Mr. Riley said that 40 percent of the city's force of about 1,200 officers would remain at their posts while the others were on leave. When the first group returns, Mr. Riley said, those who stayed behind will get a break.

    Deputy Fire Chief Joseph Matthews, who is also the director of the city's Office of Emergency Preparedness, said officials viewed the time off for their security forces as essential. "We've been at this six days and we need to give our people a break," he said.

    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspecial/05vegas.html[/url]
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    Sounds logical...I wonder if they'll be wearing the clothes they looted from Wal Mart:

    [url]http://www.zippyvideos.com/89110237...ing-in-walmart/[/url]

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    maybe it's time you looked in the mirror CBNY. Your politics have led you down the road of bashing local law enforcement and two bit municipal politicians just so your hero the worst president in American history since LBJ can deflect blame for his poor performance.

    What's next? You got some dirt on homeless fire fighters?

    these people have been trying to keep law and order for a week while they themselves have lost everything. I'd rather these people go on vacation than go on a complete mental breakdown.

    but don't worry there's no limit to the little guys Bush is willing to tred underfoot - as long as his legacy is better than his pops!

    both Bushes were done in politically by hurricanes they didn't respond quick enough to - oh the irony.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]maybe it's time you looked in the mirror CBNY. Your politics have led you down the road of bashing local law enforcement and two bit municipal politicians just so your hero the worst president in American history since LBJ can deflect blame for his poor performance.

    What's next? You got some dirt on homeless fire fighters?

    these people have been trying to keep law and order for a week while they themselves have lost everything. I'd rather these people go on vacation than go on a complete mental breakdown.

    but don't worry there's no limit to the little guys Bush is willing to tred underfoot - as long as his legacy is better than his pops!

    both Bushes were done in politically by hurricanes they didn't respond quick enough to - oh the irony.[/QUOTE]

    your responses are getting as pathetic as Jets16.....

    your ignorance and hatred towards Bush has led you to justify the behavior of morons- as is the case here where police officers who have deserted the scene or looted in front of TV camera's....imagine if Guiliani had announced he was sending the NYPD or FDNY to Vegas a week after 9-11?? Hypocritical libs like yourself would've been *****!n it was Republicans just looking for votes....

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    The worst president since LBJ was Carter, hands down.

    If blaming Bush makes you feel better, then carry on, but you probably didnt read the timeline I posted.

    I'd rather the dems be unhappy with GWB than have the cons complaining about a peckerhead like Kerry.

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    [QUOTE=Jetcane]The worst president since LBJ was Carter, hands down.

    If blaming Bush makes you feel better, then carry on, but you probably didnt read the timeline I posted.

    I'd rather the dems be unhappy with GWB than have the cons complaining about a peckerhead like Kerry.[/QUOTE]

    bush has actually outspent LBJ on pure domestic pork measured as a percentage of GDP.

    Carter was ineffective and a s--thead there is no doubt. The Clean Air Act was a great bill before the GOP gutted it. Nixon is another s--thead. The seventies in general was a s--tty time to be Prez. This decade isn't proving to be a picnic.

    for example what would CBNY be posting if it was President Kerry's FEMA/Dept of HS that had screwed the pooch? It was the mayor's fault? It was the corrupt cops fault? Cmon.

    most of these people lost it all and still tried to do their job.

    The job of the national gov't is to serve and protect, especially when forewarned.

    Clearly we are talking elite boobs of American history, Bush is proving to be Millard Fillmore level of mediocre. asleep at the wheel. :zzz:

    I'd rather see President McCain's attempt at keeping the country safe than this BS. In the end Bush is the eternal C- student, at best. The guy is always on vacation when the s--t hits the fan.

    here's an honest question should a President at war EVER be on vacation? How many vacations did FDR take?

    CBNY's starting a thread about NO cops vacation meanwhile Bush gets 10 paid weeks a year.

    If you were the CEO of a major corporation and took 10 weeks paid vacation a year and the company was taking hits - how long would the board tolerate the 8a-5p mediocre BS? about 5 minutes.
    Last edited by bitonti; 09-05-2005 at 12:36 PM.

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    You're still not getting what the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution says.

    Dems spend way too much time complaining and b!tching and moaning, and not nearly enough time coming to grips with the situation at hand.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY][B]City to Offer Free Trips to Las Vegas for Officers[/B]

    NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 4 - A day after two police suicides and the abrupt resignations or desertions of up to 200 police officers, defiant city officials on Sunday began offering five-day vacations - and even trips to Las Vegas - to the police, firefighters and city emergency workers and their families.

    The idea of paid vacations was raised by both Mayor C. Ray Nagin and senior police officials who said that their forces were exhausted and traumatized and that the arrival of the National Guard had made way for the officers to be relieved.

    "I'm very concerned about individuals who have been here, particularly since the first few days, and have been through a lot of hardship," Mr. Nagin said in an interview.

    He said most of the police officers, firefighters and emergency medical workers "are starting to show signs of very, very serious stress, and this is a way to give them time to reunite with their families."

    Mr. Nagin, who has been demanding more federal assistance for days as his city struggled with despair, death and flooding, said he had asked the Federal Emergency Management Agency to pay for the trips but the agency said it could not. He said the city, therefore, would pay the costs.

    He said he believed there were now enough National Guard members in the city to allow the police to take a break and still keep the city secure, and he brushed off questions about whether such a trip might look like a dereliction of duty.

    "I'll take the heat on that," Mr. Nagin said. "We want to cater to them."

    His words were seconded by the police superintendent, P. Edwin Compass III, in a separate interview. "When you go through something this devastating and traumatic," Mr. Compass said, "you've got to do something dramatic to jump-start the healing process."

    The officials were planning to send 1,500 workers out in two shifts for five days each. They are sending them to Las Vegas because of the availability of hotel rooms and to Atlanta because many of them had relatives there.

    They said that they were trying to get the first officers on their way on Monday and that the first stop would be Baton Rouge, about 75 miles from here.

    There the officers will be given physical examinations and inoculations against possible infection from the polluted floodwaters, said Col. Terry Ebbert, the director of homeland security for the city, who has authority over the police and fire departments and other emergency services.

    Then, Colonel Ebbert and other officials said, those who want to go to Las Vegas or Atlanta will be given air transportation and a hotel room. The city is reserving hotel rooms in Baton Rouge, they said, adding that the officers and firefighters may also be given the choice of flying to other cities.

    Colonel Ebbert, the senior official running the recovery and rescue operation, and Mr. Compass both said that they planned to take a break as well, but probably for less than five days, and that they would continue to direct the recovery by telephone.

    Officials said they expected the military, with much greater resources, to expand rescue work, begin cleaning up the city and take the first steps toward reconstruction.

    W. J. Riley, the deputy superintendent of police, said that by late Sunday afternoon more than 2,900 National Guard members and law enforcement officers from around the country were operating in New Orleans. By early evening, Mr. Riley said, the advance units of a 2,200-person force from the 82nd Airborne Division had landed.

    Several thousand more soldiers were expected, including members of the First Cavalry Division.

    Reinforcements are also expected for the fire department. Senior firefighters, who have been forced to ignore some fires and to try merely to keep the worst blazes from spreading, said that several hundred firefighters with fire engines and radio equipment were heading for New Orleans from departments around the country.

    New Orleans officials said they would remain in charge. Mr. Riley, who has been on the police force for 24 years, will oversee the police department in the superintendent's absence.

    "We haven't turned over control of the city," Colonel Ebbert said.

    Mr. Riley said that 40 percent of the city's force of about 1,200 officers would remain at their posts while the others were on leave. When the first group returns, Mr. Riley said, those who stayed behind will get a break.

    Deputy Fire Chief Joseph Matthews, who is also the director of the city's Office of Emergency Preparedness, said officials viewed the time off for their security forces as essential. "We've been at this six days and we need to give our people a break," he said.

    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspecial/05vegas.html[/url]
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    Sounds logical...I wonder if they'll be wearing the clothes they looted from Wal Mart:

    [url]http://www.zippyvideos.com/89110237...ing-in-walmart/[/url][/QUOTE]

    Typical liberal mindset...

    Ignore the problem.... or run from it.

    Never tackle it head on.....

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    The NO PD is a disgrace, ESPECIALLY when compared to NY's first responders on 9/11: looting, suicide, leaving their posts. And now send them to Vegas? Please. Send them to do roadside checks in Iraq.

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    [QUOTE=quantum]The NO PD is a disgrace, ESPECIALLY when compared to NY's first responders on 9/11: looting, suicide, leaving their posts. And now send them to Vegas? Please. Send them to do roadside checks in Iraq.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah let's send them to Iraq, that's what they deserve to be sent from one lost cause to another! - hardee har har gaffaw gaffaw

    actually quantum we can't send the NO refugee cops to Iraq they are too well equiped. Someone could sneak in a bulletproof vest and how would that look to the rest of the army? Best thing to do would be strip em down, THEN send to Iraq, buck a$$ed naked. I mean these guys already lost their houses and all their possessions, but wtf let's send em to die in the desert for no reason. So funny! what a jokster you are quantum you should go on the road with that s--t.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY][B]City to Offer Free Trips to Las Vegas for Officers[/B]

    NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 4 - A day after two police suicides and the abrupt resignations or desertions of up to 200 police officers, defiant city officials on Sunday began offering five-day vacations - and even trips to Las Vegas - to the police, firefighters and city emergency workers and their families.

    The idea of paid vacations was raised by both Mayor C. Ray Nagin and senior police officials who said that their forces were exhausted and traumatized and that the arrival of the National Guard had made way for the officers to be relieved.

    "I'm very concerned about individuals who have been here, particularly since the first few days, and have been through a lot of hardship," Mr. Nagin said in an interview.

    He said most of the police officers, firefighters and emergency medical workers "are starting to show signs of very, very serious stress, and this is a way to give them time to reunite with their families."

    Mr. Nagin, who has been demanding more federal assistance for days as his city struggled with despair, death and flooding, said he had asked the Federal Emergency Management Agency to pay for the trips but the agency said it could not. He said the city, therefore, would pay the costs.

    He said he believed there were now enough National Guard members in the city to allow the police to take a break and still keep the city secure, and he brushed off questions about whether such a trip might look like a dereliction of duty.

    "I'll take the heat on that," Mr. Nagin said. "We want to cater to them."

    His words were seconded by the police superintendent, P. Edwin Compass III, in a separate interview. "When you go through something this devastating and traumatic," Mr. Compass said, "you've got to do something dramatic to jump-start the healing process."

    The officials were planning to send 1,500 workers out in two shifts for five days each. They are sending them to Las Vegas because of the availability of hotel rooms and to Atlanta because many of them had relatives there.

    They said that they were trying to get the first officers on their way on Monday and that the first stop would be Baton Rouge, about 75 miles from here.

    There the officers will be given physical examinations and inoculations against possible infection from the polluted floodwaters, said Col. Terry Ebbert, the director of homeland security for the city, who has authority over the police and fire departments and other emergency services.

    Then, Colonel Ebbert and other officials said, those who want to go to Las Vegas or Atlanta will be given air transportation and a hotel room. The city is reserving hotel rooms in Baton Rouge, they said, adding that the officers and firefighters may also be given the choice of flying to other cities.

    Colonel Ebbert, the senior official running the recovery and rescue operation, and Mr. Compass both said that they planned to take a break as well, but probably for less than five days, and that they would continue to direct the recovery by telephone.

    Officials said they expected the military, with much greater resources, to expand rescue work, begin cleaning up the city and take the first steps toward reconstruction.

    W. J. Riley, the deputy superintendent of police, said that by late Sunday afternoon more than 2,900 National Guard members and law enforcement officers from around the country were operating in New Orleans. By early evening, Mr. Riley said, the advance units of a 2,200-person force from the 82nd Airborne Division had landed.

    Several thousand more soldiers were expected, including members of the First Cavalry Division.

    Reinforcements are also expected for the fire department. Senior firefighters, who have been forced to ignore some fires and to try merely to keep the worst blazes from spreading, said that several hundred firefighters with fire engines and radio equipment were heading for New Orleans from departments around the country.

    New Orleans officials said they would remain in charge. Mr. Riley, who has been on the police force for 24 years, will oversee the police department in the superintendent's absence.

    "We haven't turned over control of the city," Colonel Ebbert said.

    Mr. Riley said that 40 percent of the city's force of about 1,200 officers would remain at their posts while the others were on leave. When the first group returns, Mr. Riley said, those who stayed behind will get a break.

    Deputy Fire Chief Joseph Matthews, who is also the director of the city's Office of Emergency Preparedness, said officials viewed the time off for their security forces as essential. "We've been at this six days and we need to give our people a break," he said.

    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspecial/05vegas.html[/url]
    -----------------------------------

    Sounds logical...I wonder if they'll be wearing the clothes they looted from Wal Mart:

    [url]http://www.zippyvideos.com/89110237...ing-in-walmart/[/url][/QUOTE]
    sounds like a good idea to me. just like on the movie Sgt. Bilko when they send the troops on maneuvers to las vegas. good movie. btw, ill bet you know a thing or two about looting clothes from wal mart :eek:

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]your responses are getting as pathetic as Jets16.....[/QUOTE]
    says the king of patheticity.
    Last edited by Jetfan16; 09-06-2005 at 11:08 PM.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]Yeah let's send them to Iraq, that's what they deserve to be sent from one lost cause to another! - hardee har har gaffaw gaffaw

    actually quantum we can't send the NO refugee cops to Iraq they are too well equiped. Someone could sneak in a bulletproof vest and how would that look to the rest of the army? Best thing to do would be strip em down, THEN send to Iraq, buck a$$ed naked. I mean these guys already lost their houses and all their possessions, but wtf let's send em to die in the desert for no reason. So funny! what a jokster you are quantum you should go on the road with that s--t.[/QUOTE]

    That wasn't a joke. And if you really think they compare to the NYPD and FDNY, then you truly are a blathering, prattle-filled knucklehead. :steamin:

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    [QUOTE=quantum]That wasn't a joke. And if you really think they compare to the NYPD and FDNY, then you truly are a blathering, prattle-filled knucklehead. :steamin:[/QUOTE]

    You are right you can not compare the NOPD and NYPD. NYPD's starting salary is over 30k more. NOPD is the lowest city police department in the country. Then look at sheer numbers, the NYPD has 38,000 officers not counting the Port authority, NOPD has no where near that.
    I think you should take a step back and relax with your Monday morning crap.

    I guess you forgot, the FDNY got into trouble for stealing during the the WTC tragedy.

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    [QUOTE=cr726]You are right you can not compare the NOPD and NYPD. NYPD's starting salary is over 30k more. [/QUOTE]

    30k more than what?

    I don't even think it is $30k at appointment.

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    [QUOTE=Piper]30k more than what?

    I don't even think it is $30k at appointment.[/QUOTE]

    Sorry a NYPD officer with 5 years on makes more than New Orleans Major.

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    Sweet, they can wear their new shoes in Vegas.

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    [QUOTE=Piper]30k more than what?

    I don't even think it is $30k at appointment.[/QUOTE]

    also FWIW the starting NYPD salary is roughly 35k.

    That's not exactly high, considering cost of living in New York. Factoring rent and other living expenses it's barely above poverty, depending on where the person lives and works.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]also FWIW the starting NYPD salary is roughly 35k.

    That's not exactly high, considering cost of living in New York. Factoring rent and other living expenses it's barely above poverty, depending on where the person lives and works.[/QUOTE]
    I believe in the new contract it is lower than that while newbies are in the academy. In addition it now takes longer to get to top pay.

    But I may be wrong.

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    [QUOTE=cr726]You are right you can not compare the NOPD and NYPD. NYPD's starting salary is over 30k more. NOPD is the lowest city police department in the country. Then look at sheer numbers, the NYPD has 38,000 officers not counting the Port authority, NOPD has no where near that.
    I think you should take a step back and relax with your Monday morning crap.

    I guess you forgot, the FDNY got into trouble for stealing during the the WTC tragedy.[/QUOTE]

    That gives NO police the right to dessert and/or loot???

    Funny- people go balistic over the treatment of prisoners in Gitmo or Abu Graib by military people or investigators yet when it comes police from a welfare state all of a sudden we start comparing salaries...

    Let's compare the salaries of the soldiers who worked in Abu Graib or the investigators in Gitmo to that of the NO police....

    btw: I'm waiting for dickie durbin to come out with some assinine comparison..

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]That gives NO police the right to dessert and/or loot???

    Funny- people go balistic over the treatment of prisoners in Gitmo or Abu Graib by military people or investigators yet when it comes police from a welfare state all of a sudden we start comparing salaries...

    Let's compare the salaries of the soldiers who worked in Abu Graib or the investigators in Gitmo to that of the NO police....

    btw: I'm waiting for dickie durbin to come out with some assinine comparison..[/QUOTE]

    I blame poor leadership on both the NOPD and the soldiers of in Gitmo. Oh wait, the soldiers made all their choices with out any supervision or leadership.....

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