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    Things that aren't Bush's fault

    -9/11 - who could have forseen planes into buildings? It was clinton's fault!

    -WMD in Iraq - who could have imagined that Saddam really didn't have WMD? It was the CIA's fault! British fault! Bad Intel!

    -Global Warming - who could have imagined that the pollution would come back to bite us in the butt! this is totally the fault of the industrial revolution! damn you cotton gin! damn you straight to hell!

    -Afghanistan a s--thole - who could have imagined that law and order would be so hard to maintain in a landmine infested s--thole with no economy except heroin production and no government except warlords? It's the Taliban's fault!

    -Pat Tillman - who could have imagined that the US gov't would lie about the circumstances of death just to prop up the war effort! The man was shot by his own troops and won a posthumous silver star - It's the military's fault!

    -Abu Gharib - who could have imagined US troops torturing Iraqi prisoners? it was Jennie Englund's fault! Low level people to blame!

    -poor Iraq planning - who could have imagined that our army would need Armor plated vehicles and kevlar vests? You go to war with the army you have and that means it's clinton's fault! who thought that disbanding the army would be such a bad move - it's what'shisname's fault. You know that guy... Bremer! yeah it was his fault.

    -energy prices out of control - who could have imagined that china and india would grow and the Middle East would try to bend us over? It's totally Opec's fault!

    -Greatest level of domestic spending since LBJ - who could have imagined that Bush wouldn't use a single veto in 5 years? It's congress' fault!

    -Inflation - who could have imagined that tax cuts and deficits would weaken the dollar? It's Greenspan's fault for raising rates! that bastard!

    -North Korea/Iran - who could have imagined that these countries would completely ignore our advice and pursue full fledged nuclear programs and pose a threat to USA and it's allies? This has gotta be clinton's fault. I don't know how but his pudgy greasy hands are all over it.

    -Katrina response - who could have forseen a cat 5 hurricane hitting New Orleans, killing tens of thousands? Bush did what he could when he dipped his wings and flew over the wreckage! Don't blame COndi she was out shopping for 500 dollar pumps at Jimmy Choo! It was the mayor's fault! yeah and the cops, those people were so incompetant after losing their homes and possessions and working for a week straight.

    Is there anything we can blame Bush for? Oh that's right when the jobs numbers look good or the real estate market appreciates - THAT's Bush's doing!

    We can only attribute GOOD things to Bush, anything BAD that happens while he is in charge is someone else's fault.

    Any questions?

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]
    Any questions?[/QUOTE]
    What took you so long to get it right?

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    [QUOTE=sackdance]What took you so long to get it right?[/QUOTE]

    I don't know but it wasn't my fault! :D

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    Nice tantrum.

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    I understand where you are coming from on some of these, but do you really believe Bush is at fault for all of these? Sure, 9/11 happened under his watch, and he should have stepped up to the plate and put it on his shoulders, but deep down, do you honestly believe 2 planes crashing in the WTC was his fault?

    This plan was going down long before he took office. If you have a beef with him not accepting something under his watch I can agree with you. If you are really saying it was his fault, you're nuts.

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    [QUOTE=OrangeJet] If you are really saying it was his fault, you're nuts.[/QUOTE]

    you don't get it! NOTHING is Bush's fault. Anything bad that has ever happened since 2001 until the present day was someone else's fault. Anything good that happened, why that's Bush's doing. So feel free to praise Bush when something good happens but when something bad happens, rest assured it wasn't his fault AT ALL. The man is blameless and as pure as the driven snow. It's always someone else's fault. ALWAYS. Bush is perfect.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]you don't get it! NOTHING is Bush's fault. Anything bad that has ever happened since 2001 until the present day was someone else's fault. Anything good that happened, why that's Bush's doing. So feel free to praise Bush when something good happens but when something bad happens, rest assured it wasn't his fault AT ALL. The man is blameless and as pure as the driven snow. It's always someone else's fault. ALWAYS. Bush is perfect.[/QUOTE]

    I do get it, but by citing 9/11, you seem to be choosing an incident that really isn't his fault. There's plenty of legitimate things he can be blamed for, I just think 9/11 is a poor choice.

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    [QUOTE=OrangeJet]I do get it, but by citing 9/11, you seem to be choosing an incident that really isn't his fault. There's plenty of legitimate things he can be blamed for, I just think 9/11 is a poor choice.[/QUOTE]

    It used to be that truly great Presidents would say "the Buck stops here," even when it wasn't really his fault. It's a statement that strong leaders make. The BUCK stops HERE. I'm in charge, I'm the President.

    Like when Chad has a torn arm no one knows about and he says "the loss was my fault" cause he threw a couple picks - that's what true leaders do.

    They take blame even if it's not theirs and they work to improve the situation.

    With Bush the Buck doesn't even get close to the Oval Office. It gets stopped at the security gate and turned away. When it gets close, people like Rice or Tenet step in to take the bullet, and they get rewarded handsomely for it.

    Somehow the Buck always seems to end up at Clinton's house, 6 years after he left office. Don't ask me how but Bush should just put a sign on his desk "don't blame me, I'm not Bill Clinton!"

    Was 9-11 his fault? Well technically he was in charge at the time and technically his job is to protect America.

    But cmon it's not his fault! nothing is Bush's fault! How could I even consider blaming 9-11 on Bush?! i must be a stark raving lunatic. It's not Bush's fault it's actually MY Fault for being crazy. Shame on me. Of course the 6 weeks of paid vacation he took before 9-11 that was necessary for mental health!

    Face the facts this guy is the worst. He can't do jack s--t except win elections and divert blame. Oh don't worry everything isn't his fault! It's someone else's fault! every single time! NO, REALLY!

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]It used to be that truly great Presidents would say "the Buck stops here," even when it wasn't really his fault. It's a statement that strong leaders make. The BUCK stops HERE. I'm in charge, I'm the President.

    Like when Chad has a torn arm no one knows about and he says "the loss was my fault" cause he threw a couple picks - that's what true leaders do.

    They take blame even if it's not theirs and they work to improve the situation.

    With Bush the Buck doesn't even get close to the Oval Office. It gets stopped at the security gate and turned away. When it gets close, people like Rice or Tenet step in to take the bullet, and they get rewarded handsomely for it.

    Somehow the Buck always seems to end up at Clinton's house, 6 years after he left office. Don't ask me how but Bush should just put a sign on his desk "don't blame me, I'm not Bill Clinton!"

    Was 9-11 his fault? Well technically he was in charge at the time and technically his job is to protect America.

    But cmon it's not his fault! nothing is Bush's fault! How could I even consider blaming 9-11 on Bush?! i must be a stark raving lunatic. It's not Bush's fault it's actually MY Fault for being crazy. Shame on me. Of course the 6 weeks of paid vacation he took before 9-11 that was necessary for mental health!

    Face the facts this guy is the worst. He can't do jack s--t except win elections and divert blame. Oh don't worry everything isn't his fault! It's someone else's fault! every single time! NO, REALLY![/QUOTE]

    Like I mentioned before, you can question him for not stepping up to the plate and putting it on his shoulders, but actually believing Bush set the whole thing in motion is ridiculous. So in that incident you can question the character, but too me, there is no question it wasn't his fault.

    There is no need to convince me of your argument because I actually agree with you. He DOES seem to get a free pass on anything that goes wrong. I just don't agree with your first bullet (and maybe 1 or 2 more).

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    [QUOTE=OrangeJet] I just don't agree with your first bullet (and maybe 1 or 2 more).[/QUOTE]

    you know that fair - but it's not just 1 or 2 times. This happens with regularity. Maybe if it was just 9-11 that would be understandable. But here we are 6 years into the Bush Presdency, about two dozen f--ked up major events have occured and somehow all of these events are someone else's fault.

    Fool me once shame on me, Fool me 25 times shame on me again?

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    You're complaining (well, more like ranting) about a political phenomena or just plain simple reality that has no more to do with Bush than with any other politician.

    Today's hyper-charged political atmosphere makes it virtually suicidal to take direct blame for anything -- EVERY misstep whether honest or not is a latent nuclear firestorm ready for launch by the frothing opposition.

    When Roosevelt had "The Buck Stops Here" on his desk, he also had a patriotic media and country that wasn't shoveling mounds of steaming BS about him on an hourly basis 24/7/365. Today he'd probably be excoriated by some left-wing nut-case animal rights group for invoking a glorious male deer within a rootin' tootin' cowboy attitude political statement in the sign on his desk.

    Not to harp on Clinton, but since he's the previous President, and because I could write a list 5 times as long for him as you did for Bush, tell me: What did he ever take blame for?
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    [QUOTE=bitonti]

    Any questions?[/QUOTE]


    Yes: if a train leaves Chicago at 9am heading east at 65 MPH, and another train leaves NY at 10:15pm heading west-southwest at 75 MPH, at what point is it Bush's fault?

    Warning: math skills required.

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    You know what ISN'T Bush's fault?

    The absolute vacuum of quality thought in today's modern Deomocratic/Liberal Party. The idealism of defeatism. The ideal of victim-as-superior. The ideal of Political Correctness as gospel, but only for others. The ideal of socialism. The ideal of "it must be our fault"-ism.

    The left today, for all it's bluster, is like a small child, whining that it cannot get it's way, when it's way is childish, illogical, wrong-headed and at times, dangerous for the child's safety. The only thing it's good for is crying, and blaming others for it's own shortcomings.

    Nope, Bush didn't cause or create any of those things. And no matter how bad you or I may think Bush is doing, the Democratic Party will never regain power as long as it continues to live outside the mainstream of American thought, American idealism, American nationalism and American pride.

    So hate Bush all you want Bit, because the future is more leaders like him unless the Democrats wake up, and see this country for what it is, and not what they want it to be.

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    Warfish and shakin you bring the Democratic party into this discussion as if I give a s--t.

    I'd rather talk about the reform party or the greens or anyone else. The Democrats are a sideshow, and they suck. Period.

    Oh yeah I'm a chirping bird. Or I'm a crying child! Wahh wahh wahh!

    whatever

    Just because Bush's foreign policy is better than Clinton's that doesn't mean jack squat. Being better than horrible doesn't make up for the fact that he is pretty g-ddamn bad. Being better than the Democrats is like saying you can run a 40 yard dash faster than a 35 year old with autism. Big friggin Whoop.

    When historians write the story of the Bush Administration, years 2001 - 2009 it's gonna read like an absolute disgrace. The man might be worse than LBJ when it's all said and done.

    So keep on with the illogical Bush-apologies. There's no way that anything bad that occured in the last 5 years has anything to do with Bush. I blame space aliens and Martha Stewart, in that order.

    By the way i didn't even mention Enron.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]Warfish and shakin you bring the Democratic party into this discussion as if I give a s--t.

    I'd rather talk about the reform party or the greens or anyone else. The Democrats are a sideshow, and they suck. Period.

    Oh yeah I'm a chirping bird. Or I'm a crying child! Wahh wahh wahh!

    whatever

    Just because Bush's foreign policy is better than Clinton's that doesn't mean jack squat. Being better than horrible doesn't make up for the fact that he is pretty g-ddamn bad. Being better than the Democrats is like saying you can run a 40 yard dash faster than a 35 year old with autism. Big friggin Whoop.

    When historians write the story of the Bush Administration, years 2001 - 2009 it's gonna read like an absolute disgrace. The man might be worse than LBJ when it's all said and done.

    So keep on with the illogical Bush-apologies. There's no way that anything bad that occured in the last 5 years has anything to do with Bush. I blame space aliens and Martha Stewart, in that order.

    By the way i didn't even mention Enron.[/QUOTE]

    By your logic Bit, Lincoln was a worse President that James Buchanan, because the Civil War "happened on his watch" during his term. Sadly, life (and the problems that come with it) are not so simple and deliniated.

    But you already knew that. While I don't doubt that you, like me, are a true "independant" in regards to our voting, your clear bias against Bush is obvious and unquestionable. There is nothing this president could do, on any issue, that would please you. As such, your criticism of the man on every single issue of the day rings hollow, as his actual actions mean nothing to you. He is a "bad president" regardless of which choices he makes.

    So let me ask you:

    Do you believe John Kerry would have done anything differently, or prevented any of the problems you mention? Or would Al Gore have fixed or prevented any of these issues as President??

    And please, don't embarass yourself with you're "but...but...but...I'm not a Democrat" bit. Fact is, there were two choices: Gore or Bush, and then Kerry or Bush. If Bush is so bad, you're (and mine) only other choice was the only other major (hence electable) party, the Democrats.

    So please, enlighten us all, and show us, in detail, where Al Gore and/or John Kerry would have done things differently, and where that would have prevented or fixed ANY of the issues you've raised.

    And please, lets keep it in reality, no "head-in-the-clouds" answers, please.

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    Al Gore and John Kerry would have been impeached by now.

    You want to talk about what if scenarios that's great. I'm talking about what's actually happening.

    There was a time when third parties won real positions of power, and sooner or later, that time will come again. Just because you say the Democrats are the only other option that doesn't necessarily make it so. They are s--theads of the highest order. It's typical to me that Bush apologists would rather talk about the Democrats than talk about the s--t job their President is doing.

    Warfish you talk like I don't give Bush fair due, hey I just call it like i see it. This guy has made mistake after mistake after mistake - but nothing is his fault?

    Maybe what you say is true, that Bush could do anything and I would find fault. That's the other side of the coin. I will grant that fully and 100% if you do me the courtesy of granting that Bush could do anything and 90% of the posters here would find NO Fault.

    The man hasn't done a damn thing right since he stepped in the door. You think I'm wrong? That's fine tell me why. But don't make this about me personally.

    Don't give me this 5ever bull**** making the thread about me and my personal politics. I'm not an elected official. This isn't about me. This isn't the "Analyze Bitonti" forum. Who am I? No one - I'm a marginalized minority in the political landscape. No news here.

    No, this is the Politics and World Events forum and I'm talking about both. Bush has proven himself to be an incompetant politician and for as long as the list is in the initial post I just did that off the top of my head - if i really researched it and put my mind to it, the list could be twice as long and you know it.

    You claim to be a real independent, real independents don't join up with the majority and gang up on the 1 person on the board with a contrary opinion. Real Independents don't say things like "Honestly I wouldn't mind if they Supreme Court banned abortion" - you call me a fraud?

    hey it takes one to know one fish.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]Al Gore and John Kerry would have been impeached by now.

    You want to talk about what if scenarios that's great. I'm talking about what's actually happening.

    There was a time when third parties won real positions of power, and sooner or later, that time will come again. Just because you say the Democrats are the only other option that doesn't necessarily make it so. They are s--theads of the highest order. It's typical to me that Bush apologists would rather talk about the Democrats than talk about the s--t job their President is doing.

    Warfish you talk like I don't give Bush fair due, hey I just call it like i see it. This guy has made mistake after mistake after mistake - but nothing is his fault?

    Maybe what you say is true, that Bush could do anything and I would find fault. That's the other side of the coin. I will grant that fully and 100% if you do me the courtesy of granting that Bush could do anything and 90% of the posters here would find NO Fault.

    The man hasn't done a damn thing right since he stepped in the door. You think I'm wrong? That's fine tell me why. But don't make this about me personally.

    Don't give me this 5ever bull**** making the thread about me and my personal politics. I'm not an elected official. This isn't about me. This isn't the "Analyze Bitonti" forum. Who am I? No one - I'm a marginalized minority in the political landscape. No news here.

    No, this is the Politics and World Events forum and I'm talking about both. Bush has proven himself to be an incompetant politician and for as long as the list is in the initial post I just did that off the top of my head - if i really researched it and put my mind to it, the list could be twice as long and you know it.

    You claim to be a real independent, real independents don't join up with the majority and gang up on the 1 person on the board with a contrary opinion. Real Independents don't say things like "Honestly I wouldn't mind if they Supreme Court banned abortion" - you call me a fraud?

    hey it takes one to know one fish.[/QUOTE]

    Bit, I don't even know where to start. First, what gives YOU the right to question MY morallity?? Screw you if you don't like it, but I'd be HAPPY to see abortion banned. Too bad for you if you don't like it, and too bad for me cause it will never happen.

    And I'm sorry, but I'm not going to buy into the "poor poor independant" racket. I've never voted for Republicans OR Democrats in my entire life. Libertarian for Life, or at least till they come up with something better. But I know logicly that third parties in the current world we live, are wasted votes, dead votes that are more a protest than an actual chance to get someone elected. So please, take you're "Independant Superiorism" and shove it my friend. Just because I occasionally agree with the right doesn;t make you a "better independant". Independant doesn't mean Leftist.

    And yes, I agree that the majority here find no fault (or never mention it if they do) with the actions of GW. I've never disagreed with that point, so consider it a given.

    And to be honest, it's tiring reading you rants lately. You don't have any answers either, just complaints. You have no idea what the "right" choice is on any of these issues, you just know how to ***** and moan. You can;t show us a single fact proving someone else would have or could have done better, or prevented anything, or made anything better.

    All you have is complaints, and oddly every complaint is for Bush, with none for the Democrats specifically (nope, just a meaningless opene ended "***head" line used to make you look more "independent"). If I saw you rip Kennedy, or the Governor Of NO, or ANY flaming Liberal Democrat, as hard as you rip Bush, I might buy into your "independance" a little more.

    Is Bush perfect, or even good? No, not really. He is average to slightly below-average as I see it. But the vast majority of things that happened in his time as Pres were NOT his fault, and few of them were really preventable by his directly. And that would be the same if Gore or Kerry had been President. Soemtimes bad things happen, and sometimes they happen in bunches and you just gotta hope for the best.

    Given the other options (Gore and Kerry), I'd take Bush 50/50 with Gore (who I kinda liked a little) and 75/25 vs. Kerry (a waste of human flesh IMO, totally unqualified and unprepared to lead a Nation).

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    In other news, Gilligan died today.

    Damn that Bush. DAMN THAT BUSH!! If only he had signed the treaty allowing the international use of coconuts as global positioning beacons, our little buddy might still be alive today.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish] If I saw you rip Kennedy, or the Governor Of NO, or ANY flaming Liberal Democrat, as hard as you rip Bush, I might buy into your "independance" a little more. [/QUOTE]

    you want me to rip people with no power! you want me to rip into failures? What's the point in that?

    There's a reason why Ted Kennedy is a joke, I don't have to help out the rip Ted Kennedy effort there's many more qualified than me that have already buried this man.

    The man i want buried is Dubya.

    Yes I am pissed off lately but make no mistake I've offered many responses and solutions no one wants to hear them. Im not a member of the DNC, you were the one that started questioning people's independence (by the way how can a Libertarian be pro-life?)

    but that's not my business

    The essential function of government is to provide security. This is America and it seemed to me like our gov't cared more about the Tsunami where everyone is dead than the New Orleans disaster, where people were(are) still alive and in danger.

    I am pissed off and I won't deny that. George Bush should be ashamed of himself this man wants to establish Law and Order in the s--thole middle east maybe he should worry just a little about keeping these things on American soil

    as for you Shakin

    [QUOTE]Today's hyper-charged political atmosphere makes it virtually suicidal to take direct blame for anything -- EVERY misstep whether honest or not is a latent nuclear firestorm ready for launch by the frothing opposition.[/QUOTE]

    gee I wonder how we got so hyper charged? have you watched Fox News lately? That's all the froth anyone needs, 24/7... and it's the most watched news channel on TV by a large margin, so please don't tell me Bush can't be honest and Presidential like Roosevelt because of the media that has been kissing his a$$ since 9-11.

    When you turn on the TV and Newt Gingrich is acting more presidential than George Bush there is a problem.

    Katrina will go down as the worst American disaster on record, and It will be Dubya's record that it goes down on. When the death toll is in the tens of thousands maybe you guys will want to talk about how the Dept of Homeland Security created by George Bush was an absolute failure and a sick sad joke.
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    [QUOTE=bitonti]
    Katrina will go down as the worst American disaster on record[/quote]
    True.


    [quote=Bit]It will be Dubya's record that it goes down on.[/QUOTE]
    Well...on some levels it should. 'Cept that looting thing. And the unprecedented criminal negligence of local and state government. And the cops on film looting. And the shooting of relief helicopters. And the photo of those wet school buses. And the mayor and governor's recent quotes about hurricane preparedness. And the Superdome hell.

    But that Bush - he hates black people! And Condi was shopping!

    So you know, Dems are trying to pass Nagin as a Republican because he switched parties in 2002 to win the mayoralty. Normally, yes, Paris is well worth a Mass (France's Henry IV's famous concession) - but for Nagin, no longer speaking with the press, a career breaker.

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